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BinZiad
04-04-2002, 20:49
Peace to all!

I would just want memebers here to reply to this with whatever knowledge they have..

I am in between this issue of sufism.! Now i want members to refer to scholars to what they say...and remember you cannot pour water into a cup, when it is upside down...so be open minded...!


I have read 'both' sides...just want other thoughts...!!


REPLY!!

Rasha
09-04-2002, 05:17
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 10-04-02 AT 04:41 AM (GMT)]Dear brother...

Sufism is confusing.... a few months ago.. i was caught up between... is sufism good or bad.... i too heard both sides, looked into both, read about both, and got as confused as anyone could get.

see... what the problem is.... ITs a totally different thing! You think its same.. it seems same... but its confusing.

few months ago when i was learning more... so i could decide whether i like being just like i am now... or being a sufi.... i'll tell u i got to a point where i didn't know what i believe in any more! I literally said to my best friend..."I don't know if i am a muslim any more! I Am just lost!"

I had to stay away from internet, friends and everything and just pray and think.

it doesn't flow well... its just... confusing! As i said... i wouldn't want to even think about it! personally it messed up my life for about 2 weeks....won't want to go through it again...

my sincere advice... do not think about it! But then its up to u....its between u and Allah anyways!

servant_of_Allah
09-04-2002, 23:00
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Assalamu Alaykum dear brother and dear sister !

I too have spent a long time wondering about this question. My conclusion is this :

Sufism is an integral part of Islam.

It is wrong to conclude that Sufis are not Muslims. Imam al Ghazzali was a Sufi. Those who say Sufis are not Muslims, Astagfarullah, are they daring to say that people like Imam al Ghazzali (who was titled the 'Proof of Islam') were not Muslims? How can these people say such things?

Astagfarullah.
I seek refuge in Allah.

Imam al Ghazzali himself had spent a long time wondering about this question. In his book "Al Munqiz min Ad- Dalal" (The Safety from Deviation)" he investigated the validity of the roots, theory, and practices of many sects from Greek philosophy to the heritage of the Indians and Chinese. In this book he dissected and analyzed each sect individually and certified without any doubt that the Sufism of the Sunni Muslims was by far the best path to the Creator.

I only have one question to ask our dear sister Rasha. You said you studied both sides. Did you contact scholars from both sides? More importantly, what is this 'both sides'? One is Sufis, who is the other one?


You (brother Bin Ziad) wanted quotes from scholars. Here are some:

Imam al Ghazzali said in his book al-Munqidh min al-dalal (Deliverance from error):

"The Sufi path consists in cleansing the heart from whatever is other than Allah... I concluded that the Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way, and their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run, carrying knowledge of Allah."

Imam al Razi, who is a very famous Shafi'i scholar, said in his I`tiqadat firaq al-muslimin wa al-mushrikin:

"The summary of what the Sufis say is that the way to the knowledge of Allah is self-purification and renunciation of material attachments, and this is an excellent way... Sufis are a folk who work with reflection and the detaching of the self from materialistic trappings. They strive in order that their inner being be solely occupied with the remembrance of Allah in all of their occupations and their actions, and they are characterized by the perfection of their manners in dealing with Allah. Verily these are the best of all the sects of human beings. "

Imam al Nawawi, who is an extremely famous Shafi'i scholar, wrote in his al-Maqasid fi al tawhid wa al-`ibada wa usul al-tasawwuf (The purposes in oneness, worship, and the foundations of self-purification):



The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are five:

to keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private;
to follow the Sunna of the Prophet by actions and speech;
to keep away from people and from asking them;
to be happy with what Allah gave you, even if it is less;
to always refer your matters to Allah.

Anyone who reads Shaykh `Abdul Qadir al Gilani's books Futuh al-ghayb (Openings to the unseen), al-Fath al-rabbani (The Lord's opening), and al-Ghunya li talibi tariq al-haqq (Sufficient provision for seekers of the path of truth) will know that the Shaykh was a Sufi scholar.

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya is often quoted by those who hate Sufis. Nevertheless, Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya gave Shaykh Abdul Qadir al Gilani the title of "my Shaykh".

Imam al Suyuti, another very famous scholar, said in book Ta'yid al-haqiqa al-`aliyya wa-tashyid al-tariqa al-shadhiliyya (The upholding of the lofty truth and the buttressing of the Shadhili path) :

"Tasawwuf (Sufism) in itself is a most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunna of the Prophet and to leave innovation, how to purify the ego... and submit to Allah truly...
I have looked at the matters which the Imams of Shari`a have criticized in Sufis, and I did not see a single true Sufi holding such positions. Rather, they are held by the people of innovation and the extremists who have claimed for themselves the title of Sufi while in reality they are not...

Pursuit of the science of the hearts, knowledge of its diseases such as jealousy, arrogance and pride, and leaving them are an obligation on every Muslim. "

For all those who hate Sufis, i'd just like them to read carefully what Imam al Suyuti says here :

"I have looked at the matters which the Imams of Shari`a have criticized in Sufis, and I did not see a single true Sufi holding such positions. Rather, they are held by the people of innovation and the extremists who have claimed for themselves the title of Sufi while in reality they are not..."

Mulla Ali al Qari, a famous Hanafi scholar, said in the foreword to his commentary on Ghazali, Sharh `Ayn al-`ilm wa zayn al-hilm :

"I wrote this commentary on the abridgment of Ihya' `ulum al-din by the Proof of Islam and the Confirmation of Creatures hoping to receive some of the outpouring of blessings from the words of the most pure knowers of Allah, and to benefit from the gifts that exude from the pages of the Shaykhs and the Saints, so that I may be mentioned in their number and be raised in their throng, even if I fell short in their following and their service, for I rely on my love for them and content myself with my longing for them. "

And, i have already mentioned that Imam al Ghazzali was a Sufi scholar.

Imam al Junaid al Baghdadi said about Sufis :

"The Sufi is the one who wears wool on top of purity, followed the path of the Prophet, endured bodily strains dedicating his life to worship and reclining from pleasures, and left behind all that pertains to the world." (Afif al-Din Abu Muhammad `Abd Allah Ibn As`ad al-Yafi`i Nashr al-mahasin al-ghaliya fi fadl mashayikh al-sufiyya )

Shaykh Ibn Abidin, another very famous scholar, said in his Shifa' al-`alil wa ball al-ghalil fi hukm al-wasiyya bi al-khatamat wa al-tahalil:

The Imam of the Two Groups (Sufis and fuqaha') our master al-Junayd was asked: "A certain people indulge in wajd or ecstatic behavior, and sway with their bodies?" He replied: "Leave them to their happiness with Allah. They are the ones whose affections have been smashed by the path and whose breasts have been torn apart by effort, and who are unable to bear it. There is no blame on them if they breathe awhile as a remedy for their intense state. If you tasted what they taste, you would excuse their shouting"...

The Seekers in this Way don't hear except from the Divine Presence and they don't love any but Him. If they remember Him they cry, and if they thank Him they are happy; if they find Him they cry out, and if they witness Him they rest; if they walk in His Divine Presence, they melt; ... some of them they are drunk with His Blessings and lose sight of themselves...

Their assemblies for dhikr and recital (sama`) give fruit to divine knowledge and spiritual realities, which only takes place upon hearing the description of Allah, exhortations to wisdom, and praises of the Prophet. Nor do we have one word of reproach to those who follow them in their method and find in themselves the expressions of passionate longing (`ishq) for Allah characteristic of some of their states. "

We already know what was Imam al Junaid's stand on Sufism (Tasawwuf).

I have seen the people who hate Sufis praise Allamah Mawdudi quite alot. Shaykh Mawdudi said in his Mabadi' al-islam (Principles of Islam):

"Fiqh addresses only external actions: did you perform them according to what is required? The condition of your heart is not taken under consideration. As for the science that investigates the states of the heart and its conditions: this is tasawwuf. The questions asked by fiqh are: Did you complete your ablution correctly? Did you pray towards the Qibla? Did you fulfill the pillars of prayer? If you did all this your prayer is correct according to the ruling of fiqh. As for tasawwuf, it asks questions about your heart: Did you repent and turn to your Lord in your prayer? Did you empty your heart of the preoccupations of the world in your prayer? Did you pray in fear of Allah and knowing that He sees and hears you?... If you did all this and other things, then your prayer is correct according to tasawwuf, otherwise it is defective... Tasawwuf is the establishment of the Law of Islam to the utmost point of sincerity, clarity of intention, and purity of heart. "

Amongst contemporary scholars, i can quote Shaykh al Qaradawi, who says of Sufis :

http://www.muslims.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=39379

If one goes to www.ask-imam.com and does a word search on 'Sufis' or 'Sufism', one will see the views of Mufti Ebrahim Desai on Sufism, where he states it is an integral part of Islam. Unfortunately, right now, for some reason, i am unable to do any sort of search on his website (server problems i guess), otherwise i would have provided an exact reference. Nevertheless, others may go there and do this word search.

On one of his websites entitled www.alinaam.org.za you will see his views on Tasawwuf, where he says :

"Sufism is a process of spiritual upliftment. It is a way of reforming oneself and attaining closeness to Allah Ta’ala. Spiritual upliftment, reformation and attaining closeness to Allah are orders replete in the Qur’aan." (http://www.alinaam.org.za/tasawwuf/tasawwuf.htm)

Thus, we see the views of past and present scholars on Tassawuf. And Allah knows best.

May Allah forgive me for any mistakes or sins, whether they're major sins or minor sins, whether done knowingly or unknowingly, in this article of mine, Ameen.

Wassalamu Alaykum,
servant of Allah.

Rasha
09-04-2002, 23:18
Assalamu alikom brother...

well i guess what u define as a sufi. I have read about many sufis. I spoke to some.

Some sufi's combine both Aqeeda and spiritual thing they talk about. However, many sufi's have lots of bid'a and some weird things.

Have u heard of kashf??!!! I hope u do'nt believe in that. Have you heard of other things like khalwa or something like that. These in my opinion are not allowed in islam.
There is a sect (which they too call themselves sufi's) and they simply just do extra zikr, and zikr circles etc.... these seem fine... but i personally do not like to get so confused in all these weird sects that are coming these days.

You asked me a particular question... did i contact scholars! Both sides no... i do'nt have lots of contacts.... i'm not a very knowledgable person... i was guided to truth of Allah 2 years ago... so it naturally will take me longer to figure out all the things... but i have contacted 4 scholars... one studied share'a in palestine and then in Chicago... the other is the imaam of a masjid here, the third is yahya Ibrahim (A famouse speaker). The fourth scholar didn't reply!

ALL of them said to me... STAY AWAY from Sufism. My dad has studied share'a deeply when he was young, sadly he doesn't spend time with us to teach us at alll but when i asked him about it.. he said they are a group who are misguided.

however all this didn't make me satisfied. I heard the same argument u made about Imaam Ghazali and what not.

I am in no position to speak of who is a muslim and who is not... I don't know Imaam al Ghazali personally so i can't make an opinion about him. I have not studied his work deeply so i can't judge him.

I went once to a study circle... the person teaching was a sufi herself.... she didn't seem weird... she spoke of weird people which i haven't heard of.. but the main problem is that some sufi's pay too much attention to spirituality and ignore share'a. Not all i know..

well.... the u also asked what do i mean both sides... sufis and just a muslim!!

I was asked by many what sect am i following... i simply say i'm a muslim! ok... if i must choose i am a sunni yes.. ok. I follow the 4 schools of thought....
so the both sides would be sufi's vs the schools of thoughts i guess.

now u mentioned imaam ghazali and i don't know who else being sufi's... was the prophet sufi?????? If he was... i want to be too. The prophet was nothing except a muslim. Not a Shia, not a sunni nothing. So I want to be like him. He practiced the things which most sunni do... i practice it too... so this is why you may call me sunni if u wish...

if there is a teaching from sufism which the prophet taught... it would be in sunnah too... so i will follow it anyway.... i personally do not need anything extra beside the quraan and sunnah of the prophet. I think these are enough to complete my deen.

well this is my personal opinion... if u are a sufi... this doesn't make me hate u or not learn from u.... i'm an open minded person (i try to be at least) so if u are a sufi... the "good" sufi's who follow share'a as well as their spiritual what not... then fine..

i have made notes from my studies on sufism and what i found out etc. If u are interested i'll type them out and post them for u...

again i must say... i am not a scholar... not one who have been studying islam for centuries.... i'm simply a young lady who has just found her path to Allah and has spent 2 years in learning... as much as i can.... so i will make mistakes.... but i have made sure whenever a topic comes up that i am not sure about.. i must find out so for next time... i know where i stand... and this is what i did with sufism... so now.. this is where i stand on the topic.

:)

did i say sufi's are kafirs??? if i did i apologize... i do however believe they have few mistakes (but again it depens on what type of sufi u are talking about!!)

salam akhee

Rasha
09-04-2002, 23:22
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-04-02 AT 11:44 PM (GMT)]another thing...

see the problem is... all the names u mentioned here are of people i have not heard of...

can u quote ibn kathir?? can u quote Ibn al qayyim?? can you quote al assayed sabiq??? these are the people i learn from... if u can quote them... then i'll re look into the subject... as muslims... we can't just follow any fatwa we hear.... we must know who said it.. are they authentic etc.

I mean if u can even quote ibn baaz for me ... i might consider. I personally do not like to read much for qaradawee... so this is not a good source to convince me. But i will be willing to listen... with hadith or quraan.... if it is simply people's opinion (or scholars) then i will have to be very picky when it comes to matter of my aqeeda and deen.

:) wassalamu alikom akhee fil-islam

Rasha
09-04-2002, 23:46
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-04-02 AT 11:51 PM (GMT)]You wrote this under what imaam an-nawawi wrote:

"to keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private;
to follow the Sunna of the Prophet by actions and speech;
to keep away from people and from asking them;
to be happy with what Allah gave you, even if it is less;
to always refer your matters to Allah."

ok..if this is what u call sufism... I accept... that means we are all sufi's i guess!!

but there are other sects in sufism who do more! And this is what i call sufism... what imaam nawawi calls sufism i call islam!

Ibn Taymiyya... some of his books are hard for my level i guess... i get lost sometimes in his books so i stopped reading them.

regarding what Imam al Suyuti said... well see hwo he said NO ONE follows it... well I gues this is why. If no one does follow it properly how are we to learn it!

again... i say if it is sunnah i do it (when i learn it that is). so if sufism follows share'a... then we are all sufi's by ur definition so we have nothing to fight over :)

servant_of_Allah
10-04-2002, 04:07
n the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful !

Assalamu Alaykum dear sister !

With regards to quoting Shaykh Ibn Katheer, i will try to find some material, if there is any. But, if i am correct, Ibn Taymiyya was the teacher of Ibn Katheer, or maybe i am getting confused between al Dhahabbi and Ibn Katheer. And Allah knows best.

"regarding what Imam al Suyuti said... well see hwo he said NO ONE follows it... well I gues this is why. If no one does follow it properly how are we to learn it! "

Imam al Suyuti said :
"I have looked at the matters which the Imams of Shari`a have criticized in Sufis, and I did not see a single true Sufi holding such positions. Rather, they are held by the people of innovation and the extremists who have claimed for themselves the title of Sufi while in reality they are not..."

He says that true Sufis do not indulge in practices which were criticized by the Imams of Shariah. Those people who do indulge in such practices, and claim to be Sufis, in reality, they are not true Sufis.
He did not say "no one follows them".

The true Sufis are those who adhere very closely to the Qur'an and Sunnah. And Allah knows best.

With regards to quoting Shaykh Ibn Baaz. The man was a Salafi. Naturally he will hate Sufis.

In his (Shaykh Ibn Baaz's) footnote to article 38 of Imam al-Tahawi's `Aqida ("He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created entities are"), he (Shaykh Ibn Baaz) asserts, "Allah is beyond limits that we know but has limits He knows."

I know this (what the Shaykh said) is very clearly wrong and therefore, i cannot trust him.

Allah Ta'ala Has no limit.

You said you contacted four scholars, and not a single one of them was a Sufi. All of them told you to stay away from Sufism.
You heard the arguments of one side, but not once did you read or hear the arguments which the Sufi Ulema present.

I will quote to you what Shaykh Munajjid of www.islam-qa.com once said to me in one email, which i still have, dated 14.11.2000

He said :
"One can not judge a group without knowing about their ideas and thoughts from their own books and scholars."

He himself is a Salafi scholar.

You have judged Sufis, without knowing about their ideas and thoughts from their own books and scholars.

I'll tell you a bit about myself today. Once upon a time, i was very much against Sufis. I used to study from Salafi scholars only. I was a regular visitor to sites like www.islam-qa.com and i learnt alot about Sufism from them (they are Salafis). I learnt about Sufism from other Salafis as well.
They all made me develop a negative attitude towards Sufis. And for a long time, i disliked Sufis.

Over time, however, i came across certain scholars who were themselves Sufis, and scholars like Qaradawi, who although are not Sufis themselves, hold a positve attitude towards them.
I read the arguments presented by these scholars.

I weighed these arguments with the arguments presented by anti-Sufi scholars. I am now convinced that Sufism is an integral part of Islam.

Yes, there are people who claim to be Sufis, yet indulge in things which were criticized by the Imams of Shariah. As Imam al Suyuti said, such people are not true Sufis.

For example, nowadays, there are so many Muslims that indulge in adultery, drinking alcohol, gambling, etc. All these things are haraam, yet these people indulge in them. They are committing a sin by doing so.
You will probably criticize such Muslims, for indulging in these sins. Nevertheless, will you criticize those Muslims also who do not indulge in these sins? Obviously not.

If there are certain people, claiming to be Sufis, who indulge in practices that were criticized by the Imams of Shariah, then such people are not true Sufis. And Allah knows best.

You also said "sufis and just a muslim"

You are making a distinguishment between a Muslim and a Sufi. In other words, you are trying to say Sufis are not Muslims.

Astagfarullah.
I seek refuge in Allah.

Dear sister, Sufis are Muslims.

Sufism is a process of spiritual upliftment. It is a way of reforming oneself and attaining closeness to Allah Ta’ala. Spiritual upliftment, reformation and attaining closeness to Allah are orders replete in the Qur’aan.

Also, the Sufis follow the 4 schools of thought, i.e. Maliki, Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali.

From what i read in your last three posts, i am forced to assume that you need to study Sufism in greater detail, especially after reading your last sentence, where you say :

"so if sufism follows share'a...."

Yes, Sufis do follow the Shariah.

Wassalamu Alaykum,
servant of Allah.

Rasha
10-04-2002, 04:32
Assalamu alikom brother....

Jazak Allah khair for the replies... u'll have to be a bit patient as i do not really know much on the topic. as i said i did read a bit on it but all my personal research lead me to believe there is no need for sufism as islam should be sufficient.

Now... I do not know who is the teacher of who! I do not really pay much attention to who taught who what. So long as i know its a trust worthy source i follow it.

As to what Imam Suyuti said, let me see if i got it right... he meant.. that those who are the REAL sufi's are following the prophet properly... but there are many who make bid'a and thus they make sufi's seem bad. am i right?

you said... true sufi's are those who adhere to quraan and sunnah... if they follow quraan and sunnah why do we need sufism! I remember the hadith that says that the prophet peace be upon him said.. i leave with u two things if u adhere to them you will never go astray, quraan and sunnah. Why is sufims needed then???

If true sufi's are good and follow the sunnah, then why do many olama criticize them????

In regard to the issue of limits or what not... i have no knowledge of this and thus will not even start making conclusions... i personally do not follow everything ibn baaz believes in...to me he is to be questioned just like anyone else.... just like i question ibn taymeyya or al ghazalli or most other scholars.

The people I usually accept from with no question (well more like the books) are Bukhari, muslim, fiqh assunnah, reyadh al saliheen, and these well known books. if u can refer me to some i'd be grateful.

I have read a bit from sufi sites... so it is not true that i have not heard their arguments etc. I just didn't have a contact to a sufi alem...how in the world am i to contact one then!!

I read some of the sites (some Syrian scholar i believe) who is a sufi and spoke of some issues... it just seemed... weird... it scared me so i stopped reading.

I do trust islam-qa and yes i agree u can't judge without listening to them... as i said i did read on them .. i wish i saved that site... that imaam's name i believe is something like...kentaro or... i'm not sure.

Again, plz do not assume i didn't read and just simply judged them. I spoke with a brother who have studied sufism, who lived with them, who lived in syria and studied with that imaam i mentioned (kentaro or something like that). We spoke on at least 4 occasions on the topic so that he will explain to me on their ideas. I read the site, i spoke with this sufi lady who came to teach us in the halaqa, and spoke with my best friend who happened to know a brother who studied in syria too and knew on sufis!! I did do lots of research on the topic!!!!

ok now..... as i said before plz do not get angry at me... i am not a scholar. I personally cannot say who is a muslim and who is a kafir.. when i used the term sufi and just muslim, well how else would i describe it!!!! I have no other word to use.

when i said just a muslim... i meant like me.. one who is not with any particular sect! Simply following sunnah of the prophet. Period! So what do u call that? I call it just a muslim! am i supposed to make a new name for myself?

I do know there is good in every group! I bet there are some sufi's who are wonderful and know good things and do practice islam right. I cannot say imaam ghazali is a bad man .. i have nothing against him! I heard from tones of people he is sufi.. does that mean i do not read his books??? No. I simply have to be careful.....and as a muslim i must do it with everyone. Its only the Quran that is not questionable.

Now the stumbling block for me... is this... why do i need to be sufi when the prophet was not!

if sufism is so important... why did the prophet not teach it to his companions?????? We don't need to be sufi's to be close to Allah!

I can be close to Allah by remembrance, prayer, fasting and qeyam al lyl! That would give me closeness if done with correct intention!

Yes i do know sufi's follow schools of thought... the brother i spoke with was shafi'e.

As i said, when i read on sufism... i didn't see a need for it. If sufism is simply exactly same as muslims... then what is the difference???? Why do i call myself sufi if there is no difference!!

From my research i didn't find these differences... i saw some weird sects... in sufism... but from the "good" and true sufi's... i learned that they do zikr together... which seems ok... but this can't be the only thing which the ulema dislike!!

Akhee... don't get angry serious but i'm not tryiing to argue .. its just doesn't make sense to me that's why. I mentioned that it took so long for me to really know what i think of sufism....

my conclusion was that the prophet was not a sufi, why do i have to be.

Is there anywhere that it says the prophet taught us how to be sufi's??? Is there a place where Abu Bakr or Umar said to be sufi's???

We learn as we go on in life.... :)

this is why we speak with people....

wassalamu alikom

jazak Allah khair for ur patience :)

Sadiq
10-04-2002, 11:18
Salam to all!

I will only add one thing to make it more interesting;

The prophet never said he was a doctor! Can we be doctors?
The prophet never used the net! Can we use it?

So the theme of if the prophet did it or not is baseless, when comparing it with sufi's.

Continue with the topic, getting very interesting.!

Sadiq!

Rasha
10-04-2002, 12:26
:)

assalamu alikom everyone...

Br. Sadiq your post made me smile :)

ok Sadiq... you are right... but these are secular things... When we look at life, we are allowed to do things the prophet didn't do so long as they are ok in islam...

when it comes to deen... we gain our COMPLETE religion from Him. I have nothing against any group... I learned a bit on Sufism and this is what i found.

so... if br. servant of Allah wants to prove me wrong... i'll be more than happy to listen. I love to learn and this is part of it. [have an exam today so u can tell how much i enjoy learning]

anyways: I will conclude my reply to Br. Sadiq's post by this:

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. [Quraan 5:3]

After this verse was revealed, we had a complete system... we didnt need someone else to come and create sufism (which as br. Servant of Allah says follow Sunnah but i do'nt know why they are a bit distinguished) or create Shia, or Ahmadeyya, or Hanafiya, or whatever people wanted to make.

Allah has made Islam sufficient... we are all muslims. Not Muslim Sunni, Not Mulsim Shia!

This is simply how i view this issue.

:)

salam

servant_of_Allah
11-04-2002, 01:28
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-04-02 AT 01:43 AM (GMT)]In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Assalamu Alaykum !

The sister had asked : "can u quote Ibn al qayyim???"

Ibnul Qayyim al Jawziyya was a student of Ibn Taymiyya. He wrote his three-volume Madarij al-salikin as a detailed commentary on Abdullah al-Ansaris Manazil al-sairin, a guide to the maqamat or "spiritual stations" of the Sufi path.

Here is what Ibnul Qayyim said about Sufism :
"We can witness the greatness of the People of Sufism, in the eyes of the earliest generations of Muslims by what has been mentioned by Sufyan ath-Thawri (d. 161 AH), one of the greatest imams of the second century and one of the foremost legal scholars. He said, "If it had not been for Abu Hisham as-Sufi (d. 115) I would never have perceived the action of the subtlest forms of hypocrisy in the self... Among the best of people is the Sufi learned in jurisprudence."
[Manazil as-Sa'ireen.]

The son of Shaykh Muhammed ibn Abdul Wahhab, Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab said in ad-Dia'at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab :

"My father Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and I do not deny or criticize the science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it, because it purifies the external and the internal of the hidden sins, which are related to the heart and to the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way. Sufism is necessary to correct it."

Shaykh Ibn Baaz claimed to follow Shaykh Muhammed ibn Abdul Wahhab and Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya.

Here is what Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya said regarding Sufism :
"...some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience [mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress.... And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha'abat wa tanawa'at] has its main line and its branches."
[Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].

Allah Ta'ala Says in The Qur'an : "He has succeeded who purifies himself" (Qur'an 87:14). Bringing about this change is the aim of the Islamic science of Sufism, and it cannot be termed bid'a, because the shari'a commands us to accomplish the change.

You can read more about this here : http://www.sunnah.org/tasawwuf/sufisnk.htm

Wassalamu Alaykum,
servant of Allah.

Rasha
11-04-2002, 03:52
:)

i'll check out some of these inshaAllah tomorrow its late now and i just got back from my exam...

however i do still have one question... "Was the prophet a sufi!" This is all that i really want u to answer for now :)

jazak Allah khair

BinZiad
13-04-2002, 14:07
Peace to all!

Very good points from both my brother and sister!

As i asked the brother and members to provide views from scholars and i am happy with the responses from the respected scholars.

Sufism is part of islam, such as a sufi is a muslim and a muslim is a sufi.

It is basically a concept of spirituality!! Those who resort to seek the path of the pleasure and the face of allah!

I am happy with the responses and i will continue my studies regarding this topic.

And i will say, there were many great sufi's, but nowadays, there are lot of con-men'around, so the true sufi's have left us, but the true ones now are very hard to find...

The scholars have spoken! Take heed!

Rasha
13-04-2002, 14:33
ASsalamu alikom....

I have not yet gotten chance to do more studies on this due to my exams.... but inshaAllah I will do just that. But what i am saying... if sufism is simply what the prophet taught us, to get close to Allah etc, then we are all sufi's and there is no problem. Why call ourselves something different???

If the prophet didn't practice sufism... then we don't need to. Did the prophet practice sufism?? Define sufism? Give me example of actions which u call sufi practice.

BinZiad
20-04-2002, 14:25
Salam to all!

>I have not yet gotten chance to do more studies on this due to my exams.... but >inshaAllah
>I will do just that.

Same here, wouldn’t it be more wiser, studying both sides then saying if they are part of islam or not.?

>But what i am saying... if sufism is simply what the prophet taught us, to get close to >Allah etc, then we are all sufi's and there is no problem. Why call ourselves something >different???

Its like saying, there are a lot of muhaddith in the world, who have come and have passed the world. Now sister ‘we’ all love hadith, we all know what hadith are, we also ‘try and learn hadith, right?

The basic thing is that, we all ‘try’ and learn hadith. So is it wrong to call someone who has spent his life, all his efforts to reach a postion as a muhaddith. Is it wrong to call someone a muhaddith?

In this similar theme, we are all trying to please allah, but as there is a distinction in regards to hadith and many other topics, there are certain people trying there utmost to be pure and have a state were they will only worship and remember allah, the most great. I quote;

"The Sufi path consists in cleansing the heart from whatever is other than Allah... I concluded that the Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way, and their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run, carrying knowledge…..”

So a path that we are all on! But not all can be muhaddith, but we try, studying hadith to our best ability, so Sufism is a path were u seek the pleasure of allah, we try but some spend there whole life….nothing wrong with both that I have mentioned.

It is not easy to understand, memorise, collect hadiths, similar to the concept of sufism, it is not easy, and those who learn it have reached a stage..that many can and many will try to reach.

The scholars, the majority have said, Sufism is a part of islam, such as the part of being a hafiz, at the time of the rasul, most, not all were hafiz, now it is different, some people want to be hafiz, others pursue different fields.

And as a part of islam is for ‘some’ to be hafiz of quran, there is nothing wrong in that, and to call them hafiz is not bad too, others pursue the spiritual path, to see the face of allah, as many say, and they are regarded as Sufis. See the angle?

I hope, other members also give their views and quote from scholars too. There is two sides to a coin, read both and it will bring the value to your eyes…

BinZiad! Sharing some words!! I am learning about Sufism too…

It is not always good, learning from one or two sites, that then would mean, that site is perfect, learn and read up! If you are true in your belief and you are trying to find the truth, then allah will guide you, if there is a confusion, it is your own work.! Read up, get more views….ask scholar(S) from around the world…

It is more wise to have a couple of oranges then one, you can get more juice and the chances of good ones is better…

(I do like vitamin c a lot)..Think about it!

Rasha
20-04-2002, 14:36
Akhee..

When I said I didn't do studies I meant on scholars agreeing on it. From the research I did innitialy I found out that we are not supposed to be sufi's.

I still stand to my position. Why be something the prophet was not.

If for instance to be a sufi means to be close to Allah spiritually while still doing worship.... then the question is... is this how the prophet did it?? The answer would be yes... then that means EVERY muslim has to do it.... so there is really no need for the term sufi.

if on the other hand to be a sufi you are supposed to do something like...hmm..... not eat for whole two days while just praying 24/7. Is this something the prophet did?? If the answer is no... then its a bid'a.... and thus haram and forbidden...and in this case i think those who are not calling themselves sufi's won't do it.. which is what is supposed to happen..and those sufi's would be deviated.

do u see my point here???

I am simply saying... those who call themselves sufi's most of the time are doing bid'a. If u stick to the rules and example of the prophet... u will have both sides....

I know of a man who is 'spirtual'... if u want to call him sufi go ahead. He doesn't call himself a sufi. Never the less he has a bit of their principles of purifying the soul etc. But the good thing is.. he does it according to what the prophet did. So in a way he is doing just what the prophet did. So I won't call him a sufi. If that's the type of sufi u want to be... then i'm saying we all are like that... then we all are 'sufis'.

If you want to be with the sufi sect who do other things which they think will bring them closer to Allah.. my answer is this... the prophet peace be upon him was the closest to Allah... if he didn't do it... then its not getting u anywhere...if anything it will push you away.

just my two cents

BinZiad
20-04-2002, 14:43
I would like to give two sides, two articles with this post;

1) Saying sufism is allowed.

2) Sufism is not allowed

Now i want seriously end this issue..with the members also replying,..here goes..!

...........

1)


The Meaning of Tasawwuf By Shaikh Shahidullah Faridi (r.a.)

Tasawwuf can be called the inwardness of Islam. Islam, like most other faiths to a greater or lesser extent, consists firstly of certain beliefs, such as the existence of God, and the coming of the Judgement, and reward and punishment in the next life, and the outward expression of these beliefs in forms of worship, such as prayer and fasting, all of which concern man’s relationship with God; and secondly, a system of morality, which concerns man’s relationship with man, and has its outward expression in certain social institutions and laws, such as marriage, inheritance, and civil and criminal laws. But it is obvious that the basis of this faith, the spirit that gives it life, is man’s relationship with God. Forms of worship are simply the physical vehicles of this relationship, and it is this relationship again which is responsible for the origin, the significance and the ultimate sanction of the principles of morality and their formulation into a specific social and legal system. If the interior converse with the Supreme Being and inspiration from Him are present, then they are comparable to the soul within the body of the exterior religion; if they die away, or in proportion to the extent that they wither or become feeble, the outward form of the faith becomes like a soulless body, which by the inexorable law of nature swiftly succumbs to corruption. It is therefore man’s direct relationship with his Maker which is the breath and life of religion, and it is the study and cultivation of this relationship that the word tasawwuf connotes.

It may be wondered why the words ‘Sufi’, which means ‘woollen-clothed’, and ‘Tasawwuf’, which means the path of the Sufis, i.e. the woollen-clothed ones, should have become so universal in order to denote something which belongs properly to the realm of the spirit. This name is symbolic rather than descriptive. To be a Sufi does not require a person literally to wear woollen clothes, but presumes an inner quality which was at one time characteristic of those who wore them. In the early generations of Islam, through the closeness to the time of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) and the illumination of his incomparable spirituality, which encompassed so completely the inner and the outer, the comprehension of the inwardness of Islam enwrapped in its outward expressions was so general that no group of people who devoted themselves specially to this aspect of the faith was distinguishable. It was only when the inevitable course of development of human affairs began to run and the original trunk of universality began to throw out branches of specialisation, that Islamic knowledge was progressively divided into the interior and the exterior, and the general word ilm (knowledge) began to denote more the academic study of the Qur’an, Hadith and Fiqh than their spiritual content, contrary to its Qur’anic use in the sense of ‘knowledge of Allah’. At this stage that body of Muslims who devoted themselves more particularly to the cultivation of the spiritual heritage of their Prophet (peace be upon him), began to use the term Ma‘rifat (Recognition of Allah) and arif (One who recognises Allah) to denote this inward aspect of knowledge, and indeed still do to the present day. So it was possible that instead of being termed Sufis they might have been called Ahl-i Ma‘rifat, or Arifin. But not every aspirant to spiritual development is an Arif, and the average human mind seeks more the outward badge than the inner reality, which in this case is anyway difficult to describe, so the habit observed in certain Godly persons (in reaction to the excessive luxury of the times) of wearing coarse woollen clothes, which were then the mark of extreme poverty, was taken as the symbol of all those who sought the inner life; and this term’s convenience and simplicity has withstood all the vagaries of time and place throughout the Islamic world.

The visible formulations of Islam are therefore both enlivened by the spiritual and moral force behind them, and so they are the manifestations of this force, and at the same time they are the means of attaining these spiritual and moral quaities; this can be said to constitute their main purpose. Thus these two aspects of Islam are mutually generative, each one producing the other. It can be seen from the Word of Allah, the Qur’an, that wherever something concerning man’s outward actions is decreed, its inward content and purpose is also stressed. Take Prayer for instance; Allah says ‘Observe Prayer for My remembrance’ (20:14); or ‘The believers have attained success; who are humble in their prayers’ (32:1), emphasising that the object of Prayer is not the mere outward performance, but to remember Him with a humble heart. In the case of fasting, Allah says, ‘Fasting has been decreed for you, as it was decreed for those who came before you, that you may be God-fearing.’ (2:183) Regarding sacrifice on the occasion of Pilgrimage, He says: ‘It is not their blood or their flesh which reaches Him, but the devotion from you.’ (22:37) On the subject of marriage: ‘It is one of His signs that He has made for you mates of your own kind that you may find peace in them, and He has created affection and kindness between you.’ (30:24) On spending for the poor: ‘They (the righteous) give food to the needy, the orphan and the prisoner, for the love of Him; they say: We feed for the sake of Allah only, and desire no reward or thanks from you.’ (76:8,9) If we reflect on these and other similar indications in the Qur’an, we are led to the conclusion that if it is necessary to observe the outward ordinances of our faith, it is equally necessary to develop within ourselves those qualities which are their soul; that these two are complementary and one cannot exist in a sound state without the other. When the word ‘Shari‘at’ is used, one immediately calls to mind the basic beliefs of Islam, without which a person cannot be reckoned a Muslim, and the external decrees comprising forms of worship, rules of behaviour, and civil and criminal laws. In short, it is the outwardness of Islam which is normally referred to by this term. But we have seen that within this outer Shari‘at there exists an inner Shari‘at of equal importance, which constitutes both its inspiration and its goal. Like the word ‘ilm’ (Knowledge) which originally comprised both the inward realisation of divine truths as well as outward knowledge of Islamic tenets, the term ‘Shari‘at’ (the road) should really include the devotion of the heart to Allah as well as the specific beliefs, and the attainment of moral excellence as well as submission to the law. But just as ‘ilm’ came to mean only book-knowledge, so ‘Shari‘at’ came to mean only the law; as a result, the Sufis, the devotees of the spirit of Islam, began to use the word ‘Ma‘rifat’ for the inner relationship with God, and in place of the word ‘Shari‘at’, they chose the word ‘tariqat’ (the Path) to denote the way to spiritual perfection. Just as the outer shari‘at consists of two parts, belief and practice, so also does this inner shari‘at manifest itself in two main fields.

The first is man’s attitude to his Maker. From the Qur’an and the teachings of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) we learn that this attitude should be inspired by love, hope, fear, gratitude, patience, trust, self-sacrifice and complete devotion; and that He should be felt to be constantly near. This is the inwardness of belief. The second is man’s attitude to his fellow men: Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him) have taught us that this should be inspired by sympathy, justice, kindness, unselfishness, generosity, sternness on matters of principle, leniency wherever possible, and that we must avoid pride, jealousy, malice, greed, selfishness, miserliness and ill-nature. These qualities will not be found explained in the books of Fiqh; it required a group of people distinct from the jurists to determine and develop the science of the soul. Of these two parts of the inner Shari‘at, it is the first, i.e. man’s relationship with God, which is the root, the moral attitude of man towards his fellows being derived from it. It is the realisation that all men are creatures of the One God, and that He wishes us to treat them with mercy and kindness, and at times justice, which should reflect His own sublime qualities, and that if we succeed in this we shall win His pleasure, that is the real basis of morality. Some have made the mistake of imagining that morality can exist by itself without the foundation of religion, and have tried to promulgate a non-religious ethical code as a substitute for faith. This is nothing but a mental illusion. It comes about in this way: through the medium of religious teaching, a certain moral outlook permeates a whole society, and colours not only the specifically religious life, but education and social customs and habits of thinking and acting. When at a later stage some people take to agnosticism and rebel against the established faith, they are unable to separate themselves from this moral attitude which has now become the very stuff of their mental being. Without realising the origin of their morality, they fall into the error of considering it self-existent, and imagine that they can reform society by simply calling upon people to be ethical. But it is a matter of observation that such inherited moral attitudes, when cut off from the tree of religion to which they owe their being, very quickly decay, and it is not long before the very basis of morality is questioned and finally denied, and non-moral philosophies are openly proclaimed. By contrast, the morality based on faith in God, derived from a revealed Book and given life by the consciousness of Divine pleasure, has in it the seeds not of decay but of growth and fruition.

That it is man’s inner relationship with Allah which gives meaning and value to his outward expression of belief and the performance of his religious duties is asserted most pointedly in one of the most famous sayings of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him). The following incident is reported by Omar, the second Khalifa.

‘We were sitting with the Messenger of Allah one day when a man appeared with very white clothes and very black hair, with no signs of travel upon him. None of us recognised him. He came and sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) with his knees touching his knees, and his hands placed on his thighs. He then said: ‘O Muhammad, tell me, what is Islam?’ The Prophet replied: ‘Islam is that you testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and that you establish prayer, and Zakat, fast the month of Ramadan, and make the pilgrimage to the House of Allah if you are able.’ The man said: ‘You are right’, and we wondered that he both asked and confirmed the answer. Then he said: ‘what is Iman?’ The Prophet replied: ‘Iman is that you believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers and the Last Day, and that you believe in the predestination of good and evil.’ The man said: ‘You are right. Now tell me what is Ihsan (good performance)?’ The Prophet replied: ‘That you worship Allah as if you are seeing Him and if you do not see Him, He surely sees you.’’

Then after asking about the Last Day, the man left, and the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) informed his companions that this was the Angel Gabriel who came to teach them their religion.

Here the word Ihsan, which means to perform something in the best manner, is explained as ‘the worship of Allah as if you are seeing Him, and if you do not see Him, He surely sees you.’ This means that the consciousness of the presence of Allah, and the feeling of Love and awe which accompany it, must permeate both our faith and practice (Iman and Islam) and it is in proportion to this consciousness that our excellence in religion can be judged. Clearly this sense of presence is not to be confined only to worship, but to all our actions (one version of the above incident, in fact, has ‘to work for Allah as if you are seeing Him’). It is precisely this awareness of the nearness and presence of Allah that the Sufis have as their ultimate goal in all their activities.

So far we have been speaking of the Muslims’ relationship with Allah in a general way. But Tasawwuf has a more specific content, that is to say, it aims at bringing the novice to the direct spiritual experience. The fountainhead of Islam (a fact which is often forgotten) is the direct spiritual experience of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) by means of which the message of God was conveyed to man. This spiritual experience had many forms, and was continuous throughout the period of the Prophet’s prophethood, starting from the initial vision of the Angel when the call to the divine mission was sounded, and persisting throughout the inspiration of the Divine Book, with other manifestations such as Hadith Qudsi (Divine inspirations apart from the Qur’an itself) and revelations of the next world. It is illustrated particularly in the Mi‘raj (the Ascension), which culminates in the vision of the Supreme Reality. When the essence of prophethood is the spiritual experience, it would be strange indeed if some portion of this aspect of the prophetic life were not inherited by the Prophet’s companions and those who followed them. So we find a tradition of spiritual experience alongside that of the more obvious branches of religious teaching concerned with beliefs and practices. In the early stages it was not considered proper to publish such experiences and considerable reticence was observed; it was thought sufficient only to hint at them. As time passed, reticence was lessened and gradually the science of Tasawwuf was outwardly formulated, although the very nature of these most inward matters makes some reticence inevitable at all times.

Abu Huraira, one of the intimate companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to say: ‘I acquired two vessels from the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), one of which I published; but if I published the other my throat would be cut.’ This is an interesting allusion to the danger of making a show of spiritual experience before those who do not understand them. If the experiences are believed, then some people out of ignorance are inclined to raise the one who is spiritually gifted almost to divinity, if not to make him into God Himself. If they are disbelieved, the doubters become guilty of denying what is true, and deprive themselves of certain special benefits which it is the Will of God that they should have. This is the reason why ‘sufis’ have always counselled great caution in the matter of describing some of their spiritual states in detail as these can only be appreciated in the tasting, and not in the description. In spite of the obvious references in the Qur’an, the Hadiths and the lives of the companions, some have tried to deny this spiritual heritage of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) and claim that the early Muslims were only ‘ascetics’ and not ‘mystics’. But to perceive spirituality where it exists is not given to everyone, even to perceive it at all; let it suffice to say that the extraordinary dedication to Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) and their commands by the leading companions and followers would be inexplicable without a profound spiritual experience.

I have said that in the early period the outer and the inner aspects of Islam, that is, the outward observance and its spiritual content, were not divided but formed a homogeneous whole, but as time passed and specialised knowledge increased, it became necessary and inevitable that a body of Muslims should devote themselves more particularly to the inwardness of Islam which came to be known as Tasawwuf. If we consider the development of Tasawwuf as a science, that is the science of the soul, we find that it provides a close comparison with the development of other sciences based on the principle of the Divine Book and the life of Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him). To take the science of Hadith as an example, we find that during the first century, which was the time of the Companions and the followers, things remained very much in the original form of personal teaching from those who sat in the company of the Great Ones, with little sign of elaboration and formalisation. During the second century we begin to find a more or less comprehensive collection and criticism, which culminate in the third century in critical recensions based on now thoroughly elaborated and determined principles. In the case of Fiqh we find a similar process; after the first century of the direct and practical teaching of the companions and followers, the second century produces elaborate compendia of legal decisions and the formulation of principles of jurisprudence which again by the third century had been built up into a relatively independent science. Tasawwuf, too, was constructed into a spiritual science on the firm foundations of the spiritual heritage of the Prophet of God; here again, the elaboration begins in the second century in the recorded sayings and treatises and books of the early Sufis, and in the third century Tasawwuf appears as a fully developed and formulated spiritual science. It is just as gratuitous to talk critically of later innovation in the matter of Tasawwuf as it is in the matter of Fiqh, Hadith and Tafsir. There is a world of difference between elaborations and innovations, which people with muddled minds find difficult to distinguish.

Although the development of Tasawwuf can be historically compared with that of the other sciences, there is an intrinsic superiority in Tasawwuf which should be well remembered. This superiority lies in that the expansion of the science of spiritual development is based on experience and direct observation confirmed in its broad pattern by thousands of travellers on the upward path of the soul, whereas the other sciences mainly owe their formulation to reason and conjecture. All, of course, are founded on tradition, that is, the Qur’an and its living commentary by the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) and his followers, but the process of later elaboration has this fundamental difference. It cannot be contested that direct experience, especially when it is common to large numbers of people, is a vastly more authoritative source of knowledge than rational speculation. For instance, after the data provided by revelation and tradition the chief instrument in the development of Fiqh is Qiyas (analogy) or Ra’y (opinion). The main pillar of the science of Hadith is Jarh and Ta‘dil, which means the critical examination of the reliability of the reporters of a certain Hadith in addition to its subject matter. Obviously these processes are rational and speculative. The development of Tasawwuf, however, has consisted in the progressively more detailed expounding of the spiritual experience constituting the inner heritage of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) and has no content of conjecture and opinion. This vital element has resulted in a remarkable unanimity among the proponents of this science throughout the ages, and whatever differences that exist are those of emphasis or mode of expression and do not show any real cleavage in the essential unity.

We have already alluded to the function of Tasawwuf, which is to perfect the relationship of man first with his God, and secondly with his fellow men. Now it is obvious that only very few people have the call to devote themselves entirely to spirituality and become, as it were, specialists in the inner life. This appears to be the result of some innate urge which so drives those who possess it as not to allow them to follow any other vocation. This is not to say that even these specially gifted few entirely abandon all usual worldly activities. On the contrary, we find in Islam, in distinction from other religious communities, that its greatest scientists of the soul were mostly married, had children and conducted their household and similar affairs like other men. It is another matter that during the period of training for spiritual development a certain retirement, either total or partial, is usually required, as indeed it is during the acquirement of other branches of specialist learning. It is also true that even after reaching expertness many of the Islamic spiritualists paid very little attention to the earning of their livelihood and spent their whole time in teaching and giving solace, help and encouragement to the common people. Their physical wants were looked after by their pupils and admirers, as was the practice until recently even in the case of those who taught children how to read and write. In this deliberate neglect of their own material needs in order to devote themselves more unhamperedly to their mission, they observed the utmost selflessness and resignation to Allah, and never expressly or by implication gave any sign of the poverty or even hunger which they often had to undergo. If they neglected the world, it was only as far as their own wants were concerned; they never neglected the wants of those who came to them for spiritual nourishment, or even for physical nourishment if they had any to spare, for in addition to being at the service of those who were hungry for the things of the soul, they often conducted public kitchens for the feeding of the poor, and engaged themselves in the healing of the sick in body as well as those who were sick in spirit, as is well-known to those who have studied their lives.

Just as spiritual specialists are few by the nature of things, so also the number of the pupils who shape their lives in close conformity to those of their masters is also very small. These selected followers are those who, having the inner call, are later charged with the duty of carrying on the work of teaching and exhortation in a new generation. But the majority of those who visit these inheritors of the more inward traditions of Islam are those who, while engaged in their daily vocations, wish to refresh themselves from the toils of the world at the pure springs of sincerity and devotion which they find so abundant with the Sufis. It is here that we see the influence of the Sufis working and giving new life to the whole wide land of the community. The ordinary men and women who spend a part of their time with the Sufis acquire some measure of inspiration for their spiritual and moral betterment, and to this measure their whole lives are affected. It is the spiritual orientation and the moral attitude which constitute the fountain-head of human thought, and so of human action. Events in man’s history, and the growth, flourishing, and decay of peoples, can always be traced back to these inner sources. The contact of people of the world with the Sufis, whether they be kings, princes, captains, merchants, administrators, artisans or peasants, indirectly affects the whole movement of the nation along the uneven road of time. It is from these most intimate wells of inspiration that a certain quality is given to the thought and life of a whole culture; what a pity that some superficial intellects are unable to perceive these undercurrents of history. Economics, politics, and social life are all controlled by the mental processes of man; he can only ignore at his peril these deep directive forces from which his mental processes emerge. The apparent obscurity and detachment of the Sufi conceal an activity of radical importance to the whole Muslim nation.


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Another one to say it is correct;

Early Scholars on Sufism
The following quotations of the scholars of Shariah regarding the precedence of the knowledge and science of Tasawwuf (Purification of the Self).

Imam Abu Hanifa (85 H. - 150 H)
"If it were not for two years, I would have perished." He said, "for two years I accompanied Sayyidina Ja'far as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a gnostic in the Way."
[Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43]


Imam Malik (95 H. - 179 H.)
"whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn't study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn't study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth."
[ 'Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]


Imam Shafi'i (150 - 205 AH.)
"I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges: ...how to speak; how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart... and they... guided me in the ways of Sufism."
[Kashf al-Khafa, 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p 341.]


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164 - 241 AH.)
"O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. they are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power."
[Tanwir al-Qulub p. 405]


Imam Ghazzali (450 - 505 AH.)
"I knew verily that Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way, and their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence."
[al-Munqidh, p. 131].


Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi (544 - 606 AH)
"The way of Sufis for seeking Knowledge, is to disconnect themselves from this worldly life, and they keep themselves constantly busy with Dhikrullah, in all their actions and behaviors. "
['Itiqadaat Furaq al-Muslimeen, p. 72, 73]


Imam Nawawi (620 - 676 AH.)
"The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are ... to keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private; to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) ... to be happy with what Allah gave you..."
[in his Letters, (Maqasid at-tawhid), p. 20]


Ibn Taymiyya (661 - 728 AH)
"Tasawwuf has realities and states of experience which they talk about in their science. Some of it is that the Sufi is that one who purifies himself from anything which distracts him from the remembrance of Allah and who will be so filled up with knowledge of the heart and knowledge of the mind to the point that the value of gold and stones will be the same to him. And Tasawwuf is safeguarding the precious meanings and leaving behind the call to fame and vanity in order to reach the state of Truthfulness, because the best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqeen, as Allah mentioned them in the verse:
"(And all who obey Allah and the Apostle) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah: of the prophets, the sincere lovers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous; Ah! what a beautiful fellowship." (an-Nisa', 69,70)

"...some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience [mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress.... And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha'abat wa tanawa'at] has its main line and its branches.
[Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].

"The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, by the acceptance of all Muslim scholars. And the Qur'an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) has mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are only people who are innovators and their followers." [al-Mukhtasar al-Fatawa, page 603]. Ibn Taymiyya says, "what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration."
[Majmu'a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya, Vol. 11, p. 314].


Ibn Khaldun (733 - 808 AH.)
"The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the preceding Scholars between the Sahaba and Tabi'een of those who followed good guidance..."
[Muqaddimat ibn al-Khaldun, p. 328]


Tajuddin as-Subki (727 - 771 AH.)
"May Allah praise them [the Sufis] and greet them and may Allah cause us to be with them in Paradise. Too many things havebeen said about them and too many ignorant people have said things which are not related to them. And the truth is that those people left the world and were busy with worship. ...They are the People of Allah, whose supplications and prayer Allah accepts and by means of whom Allah supports human beings"
[Mu'eed an-Na'am p. 190, the chapter entitled Tasawwuf]


Jalaluddin as-Suyuti (849 - 911 AH.)
"At-Tasawwuf in itself is the best and most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to put aside innovation."
[Ta'yid al-Haqiqat al-'Aliyya,p 57]


Ibn Qayyim (691 - 751 AH.)
"We can witness the greatness of the People of Sufism, in the eyes of the earliest generations of Muslims by what has been mentioned by Sufyan ath-Thawri (d. 161 AH), one of the greatest imams of the second century and one of the foremost legal scholars. He said, "If it had not been for Abu Hisham as-Sufi (d. 115) I would never have perceived the action of the subtlest forms of hypocrisy in the self... Among the best of people is the Sufi learned in jurisprudence."
[Manazil as-Sa'ireen.]


Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (1115 - 1201 AH.)
"My father Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and I do not deny or criticize the science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it, because it purifies the external and the internal of the hidden sins, which are related to the heart and to the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way. Sufism is necessary to correct it."
[ad-Dia'at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab, p. 85]


Ibn 'Abidin (1198 - 1252 AH.)
"The Seekers in this Sufi Way don't hear except from the Divine Presence and they don't love any but Him. If they remember Him they cry, and if they thank Him they are happy; ... May Allah bless them."
[Risa'il Ibn 'Abidin p. 172 & 173]


Muhammad 'Abduh (1265 - 1323 AH.)
"Tasawwuf appeared in the first century of Islam and it received a tremendous honor. It purified the self and straightened the conduct and gave knowledge to people from the Wisdom and Secrets of the Divine Presence."
[Majallat al-Muslim, 6th ed. 1378 H, p. 24].


Maulana Abul Hasan 'Ali an-Nadawi (1331 AH b.)
"These Sufis were initiating people on Oneness and sincerity in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to repent from their sins and to be away from every disobedience of Allah 'Azza wa Jall. Their guides were encouraging them to move in the way of perfect Love to Allah 'Azza wa Jall.
"...In Calcutta India, everyday more than 1000 people were taking initiation into Sufism. "...by the influence of these Sufi people, thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands in India found their Lord and reached a state of Perfection through the Islamic religion."
[Muslims in India, p. 140-146]

Maulana Abul 'Ala Maudoodi (1321 - 1399 AH.)
"Sufism is a reality whose signs are the love of Allah and the love of the Prophet (saw), where one absents oneself for their sake, and one is annihilated from anything other than them, and it is to know how to follow the footsteps of the Prophet (s). ..Tasawwuf searched for the sincerity in the heart and the purity in the intention and the trustworthiness in obedience in an individual's actions."
"The Divine Law and Sufism: "Sufism and Shariah: what is the similitude of the two? They are like the body and the soul. The body is the external knowledge, the Divine Law, and the spirit is the internal knowledge."
[Mabadi' al-Islam, p. 17]

In sum, Sufism, in the present, as in the past, is the effective means for spreading the reality of Islam, extending the knowledge and understanding of spirituality and fostering happiness and peace. With it, Muslims can improve, transform, and elevate themselves and find salvation from the ignorance of this world and the misguided pursuit of some materialistic fantasy.

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Realities of Sufism

Imam As-Shaf'i on Sufism:"If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to dhuhur except an idiot." [Talblees Iblees] "Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return (ever)." [Talblees Iblees] Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imam Ahmad ibn-Hanbal said: "Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!...He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)."

The famous Sheikh Abu Bakr Ad-Djaza stated: "Sufism is a shameful deception which begins with Dhikr and ends with Kufr. Its outward manifestation appears to be piety, but its inward reality forsakes the Commandments of Allah." [Illat-Tasawwuf Yaa Ibadallah] Ash-Sheikh Muhammed ibn Rabee' ibn Haadee Al-Madkhalee, a well known teacher at the Islamic University of Medinah and the son of a well known scholar, brings in his book :Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee Dau'il kitaabi was Sunnah", the following: Concerning the practice of the Sufiyyah in wearing woolen clothing as a sign of Zuhd (abstemiousnes/disassociation form the worldly life) and in their attempt to mirror the Prophet 'Isa (asws): "Ibn Taymiya mentions in Al-Fataawaa(11/7) from Muhammed ibn Seereen (a famous Tabi'ee who died in 11OH) that is reached him that a certain people had taken to wearing woolen clothing in order to resemble "isa ibn Maryam(asws), so he said: 'There are a people (Sufis) who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woolen clothing, claiming that they want to resemble Al-Mesieh ibn Maryam(asws). But the way of our Prophet(saas) is more beloved to us, and the Prophet(saas) used to wear cotton and other garments."

Sheikh Al-Madkhalee goes on: "As regards the first appearance of Sufism, then the word 'Sufism' was not known in the time of the Sahabah, indeed it was not well known in the first three and best centuries. Shaykhul Islam ibn Taymiyah, mentions that the first appearance of Sufism was in Basrah in Iraq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, such as was not seen in other lands. [Al Fataawaa (11/6)]"

Commenting on the reaction of the early Sufis while hearing Qur'an being recited (it was their practice to fall out and act dumb-struck), Ibn Taymiyah says: "This was not found to occur amongst the Sahabah, so when it appeared a group of the companions and the Tabi'een such as Asmaa bint Abu Bakr and 'Abd Allah As-Zubair and Muhammed ibn Seereen criticized that since they saw that it was an innovation and contrary to what they knew from the manners of the Sahabah." [Al-Fataawaa (11/6)]

Concerning the spread of Sufis, ibn Al-Jawziyyah said: 'Sufism is a way whose beginning was complete avoidance of the affairs of worldly life, then those who attached themselves to it became lax in allowing singing and dancing. Therefore, the seekers of the Hereafter from the common people became attracted to them due to the avoidance of the worldly life which they manifested, and the seekers after this world were also attracted to them du to the life of ease and frivolity which they were seen to live." [Talblees Iblees]

Sheikh Abu Zahrah said concerning the reason for the appearance of Sufism and the sources from which it sprung:
"1. The first source: Some worshippers amongst the Muslims turned all their attention to avoidance of the worldly life and to cutting themselves off in order to worship. This first began in the lifetime of the Prophet(saas) when some of the Sahabah decided to spend the night striving in prayer and abandoning sleep. Others decided to fast every day without fail. Others decided to cease having marital relations with women. So when that reached the Prophet(saas) he said: "What is wrong with a people who say such and such. But rather I fast and refrain from fasting, I pray and I sleep, and I marry women. So whoever turns away from my Sunnah, then he is not from me." [Bukhari & Muslim] Furthermore, the innovation of living like monks (monasticism) is forbidden in the Qur'an. He(awj) said: "...the Monasticism which they invented for themselves..." [57:27] however, when the Prophet(saas) passed on to join the company of the highest angels, and many people entered into Islam from the previous religions then the number of those who went to extremes in avoidance of worldly life and its blessings grew and Sufism found a place in the hearts of these people since it had come across a fertile planting ground.
2. The second matter which attracted peoples souls was something which appeared amongst the Muslims in the form of two ideologies. One of them was philosophical whilst the other was from the previous religions. As for the first, then it was the view of the Illumist school of philosophers who held that knowledge and awareness is brought about in the soul by spiritual exercises and purification of the soul. As for the second ideology, then it was the belief that the Deity dwells in human souls, or that the Deity is incarnate in humanity. This idea began to find a place amongst those sects who falsely attributed themselves to Islam in the earlier times, when the Muslims became mixed with the Christians. This idea appeared amongst the Sabians and some of the Kaysaamiyyah, then the Qaraamitah, then amongst the Baatinees, then in its final shape it appeared amongst some of the Sufis...There is another source from which it took, and which causes the manifestation of Sufi tendencies, which is the idea that the texts of the Book and the Sunnah have an outer, apparent meaning and an inner, hidden meaning...it seems clear that they took this idea from the Baatinees." [Ibn Taymiyah by Abu Zahrah] inb Al-Jawziyayah said after criticizing the Sufis for their imposition of hardship upon themselves and for their going beyond bounds of abstemiousness the pint of self torture: "So this self deprivation which went beyond bounds, which we have been forbidden from, has been turned around by the Sufis of our time, i.e. the sixth century, so that they have become as desirous of food as their predecessors were of hunger, and they enjoy morning meals, evening meals and sweet delicacies, all of which or most of which they attain through impure wealth. They have abandoned lawful earnings, turned away from worship and spread out carpets on which they idly recline, most of them have no desire except for food, drink and frivolous activities." [Talblees Iblees]

Speaking of the false miracles claimed by many Sufi leaders, Ibn Taymiyah said: "It may also be done with the help of their devils as they are a people who are as closely attended by devils as they are by their own brothers....These people who experience these satanic happenings are under a great delusion, in their foolishness they are deprived of all blessings, they only increase that which is feared, they devour the wealth of the people in futile acts, they do not order the good, nor do they forbid the evil, and they do not fight Jihad in Allah's cause." [Al-Fataawaa]

Further, Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says: "Then I return to the point that when I saw that most of the callers were negligent of the most important aspects of Islam which is the call to Tawheed and the correction and purification of 'Aqeedah from all Shirk, which takes the form of worshipping the dead, attachment to the graves and calling upon the dead and the absent, and they remained silent about the other deviation of the present day Sufi orders which are very widespread in the lands of the Muslims, and anyone who travels outside this land will see the predominance that the Sufi orders have over the minds of the Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Africa and India. Whether it is the Rifaa'ee order, or the Tijanis, or the Ahmadiyyah, or the Qaadiriyyah, or the Burhamiyyah, or the Shadhiliyyah, or the Khattaaniyyah, or the Darqaawees, or the Naqshbandis or whichever of the large number of Sufi orders.. when I saw this I wished to remind of that which I held to be something very important. Likewise, I wished to provide my brothers, who study in the highly regarded Daarul Hadith, and they come from various Islamic lands where there are many Sufi orders. with some knowledge and some protection from the deadly sickness of Sufism."

As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have refuted Sufism: Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikh Islam Ibn Taymiyah Talblees Iblees - by ibn Al-Jawziyah, [ibn Taymiyah's student] Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn 'Arabee - by Burhaanudeen Al-Baqaa'ee Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ishtihad - by Al-Baqaa'ee (same as above - died in 885H).

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Another article about 'why' sufism is wrong;

SUFISM:
The Deviated Path

By Br. Yusuf Hijazi

Although many sects have appeared throughout the ages, none have outlasted as long and spread their effects into the homes of so many as Sufism has. The emotional attachment that a countless number of Muslims have towards this sect is so powerful that any analysis should be purely from an objective perspective; thus this article takes an objective approach, and tries to be conservative rather than extreme in its analysis of Sufism. Its conclusions however leave no doubt as to the alien nature of Sufi teachings that have infiltrated into the religion that our beloved Prophet (s.a.w) left us upon.

Sufism: Its Origins

The word Sufi is most likely to be derived from the Arabic word "soof", meaning wool. This is because of the Sufi habit of wearing woolen coats, a designation of their initiation into the Sufi order. The early Sufi orders considered the wearing of this coat as an imitation of Isa bin Maryam (Jesus). In reply to this, Ibn Taymiyyah said: "There are a people who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woolen clothes, claiming that they want to resemble al-Maseeh ibn Maryam. But the way of our Prophet is more beloved to us, and the Prophet (s.a.w) used to wear cotton and other garments."1

Sufism is known as "Islamic Mysticism," in which Muslims seek to find divine love and knowledge through direct personal experience of God2. Mysticism is defined as the experience of mystical union or direct communion with ultimate reality, and the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or insight)3

Both the terms Sufi and Sufism and Sufi beliefs have no basis from the traditional Islamic sources of the Qur'an and Sunnah, a fact even admitted by themselves. Rather, Sufism is in essence a conglomerate consisting of extracts from a multitude of other religions with which Sufi's interacted.

During the primary stages of Sufism, Sufis were characterised by their particular attachment to zikr (remembrance of Allah) and asceticism (seclusion), as well as the beginning of innovated practices to 'aid' in the religious practices. Yet even at the early stage of Sufism, before their involvement in innovated rituals and structured orders, the scholars warned the masses of the extremity of Sufi practices. Imam Al-Shafi' had the opinion that "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he doesn't come at Zuhur except an idiot". Imam Malik and Ahmad bin Hanbal also shared similar ideas on this new movement which emanated from Basrah, Iraq.

Although it began as a move towards excessive Ibaadah, such practices were doomed to lead to corruption, since their basis did not come from authentic religious doctrines, but rather from exaggerated human emotions.

Sufism as an organised movement arose among pious Muslims as a reaction against the worldliness of the early Umayyad period (AD 661-750)4. The Sufis exploited the chaotic state of affairs that existed during the fifth and sixth centuries A.H. and invited people to follow their way, alleging that the remedy to this chaos was conformity to the guidance of their order's Sheikhs. Dar al-Majnoon was established during the reign of Khalifah Ma'moon, where he invited the scholars of the Romans and Greeks to meet with the Muslims and 'discuss' their respective positions. This provided the perfect breeding ground for the synthesis between Islam and Pagan theology, to produce the Sufism of the likeof Ibn Arabi.

The Mixing Pot

With the demise of the Companions and their successors, the door became open for the distortion of Islamic Principles. The enemies of Islam had already burrowed deep into the ranks of Muslims and rapidly caused Fitnah through their spreading of forged hadith and subsequently created new sects such as the Khawaarij and Mu'tazilah.

Sufism gained its breeding ground during this period, whereby it gained its support from the Dynastic Rulers, who had deviated from Islam to the extent whereby magic was used as entertainment in their courts, even though magic is considered as Kufr in Islam.5 During this period, Sufism developed its Shi'a flavour, indeed the roots of contemporary Sufism have been traced back to Shi'a origins (see later).

Sufi ideology and thinking flourished during the times of the likes of Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Jalal Ad Din Rumi, and Imam Ghazali. Their translation of Greek philosophical works into Arabic during the third Islamic century left an indelible mark on many aspects of Sufism, resulting in Greek pantheism becoming an integral part of Sufi doctrine. Pagan practices such as Saint worshipping, the use of magic and holding venerance towards their Sheikh overtook the Orthodox practices of Islam and had little resemblance to the Islam left by our Prophet (s.a.w).

By examining the mystic doctrines of Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism and other religions, it becomes clear how closer Sufism is to these religions than to Islam. In fact, Sufism is never characterised under "Islam" in any system of catalogue, but rather under 'Mysticism'.

Sharda highlights these unsurprising similarities by stating that: "After the fall of Muslim orthodoxy from power at the centre of India for about a century, due to the invasion of Timur, the Sufi became free from the control of the Muslim orthodoxy and consorted with Hindu saints, who influenced them to an amazing extent. The Sufi adopted Monism and wifely devotion from the Vaishnava Vedantic school and Bhakti and Yogic practices from the Vaishnava Vedantic school. By that time, the popularity of the Vedantic pantheism among the Sufis had reached its zenith."6

The following comparison demonstrates the non-coincidental similarity that Sufism shares with other religions:

Concept of validity of all religions

The Sufi doctrine of all religions being acceptable before Allah is derived from the Mystical beliefs of other religions, and not Islam, for Allah says: "Truly, the religion in the Sight of Allah is Islam..." [2: 19].

Take for example the Buddhists:

"No Buddhist who understands the Buddha's teaching thinks that other religions are wrong... All religions acknowledge that man's present state is unsatisfactory. All teach an ethics that includes love, kindness, patience, generosity and social responsibility and all accept the existence of some form of Absolute."

The Sufis also believe the same: "Allah does not distinguish between the non-believer and the Faasiq (wrong doer) or between a believer and a Muslim. In fact they are all equal to Him... Allah does not distinguish between a Kaffir or a hypocrite or between a saint and a Prophet."7

In al-Fusoos, Ibn Arabi leaves no doubt as to his conviction in the unity of all religions: "Beware of restricting yourself to one particular religion and disbelieving in everything else, so that great good would be missed by you, indeed you would miss attainment of knowledge of the affair in the form he is following. Rather be ready to accept all forms of belief. This is because Allah is higher and greater than to be comprehended by one belief to the exclusion of others. Rather all are correct, and everyone who is correct receives award, and everyone who is rewarded is fortunate, and everyone who is fortunate is one with Whom He is pleased."8

Union with the Creator

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala is completely distinct from His Creation. He neither resembles His Creation, nor is He enclosed by it. Sufis however, with their deviant doctrine of Wahdat ul Wujood, believe contrary to this. Ibn Arabi, the Sufi scholar with whom which the concept of Wahdat ul Wujood is rightly attributed, asserted that since Allah's Attributes were manifested in His creation, to worship His creation is similar to worshipping Him: "So the person with complete understanding is he who sees every object of worship to be a manifestation of the truth contained therein, for which it is worshipped. Therefore they call it a god, along with its particular name, whether it is a rock, or a tree, or an animal, or a person, or a star, or an angel."9

This is how far the Sufis deviated because of their reliance on Greek and Eastern philosophy, rather than the Qur'an and Sunnah. To them God is not Allah Alone with whom no one else shares in His Dominion, but rather everything we see around us, and ultimately our own selves! Glory to Allah, who Stated "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer" [42: 11]. Looking at where Sufism derived its understanding from, we find the same ingrained beliefs:

"When you live in the wisdom home, you'll no longer find a barrier between "I" and "you," "this" and "that," "inside" and "outside;" you'll have come, finally, to your true home, the state of non-duality."10

"Finally, the experience of realisation matures sufficiently that the [spiritual aspirant] may rightly utter the startling assertion, 'I am Shiva' (a Hindu deity)".11

"When I am in that darkness I do not remember anything about anything human, or the God-man.. I see all and I see nothing. As what I have spoken of withdraws and stays with me, I see the God-man.. and he sometimes says to me: 'You are I and I am you'".12

Corruption of Tawheed in Allah's Attributes

Sufis totally deny all of Allah's Attributes, such as His Face, His Hands, His Istawaa etc, using metaphorical meanings to explain His Attributes. Although the Companions and Tabi'een believed in them without any resemblance to His creation, the Sufi's deem His Attributes to be a part of His creation.

Ibn Arabi went as far as to say that he saw Allah during one of his ecstatic trances, in the shape of a young blond boy sitting on a Throne! (see Bezels of Wisdom, London 1980). Other Sufi Gnostics followed suit in Ibn Arabi's trail: "In the writings of Ibn al-Arabi and Ibn al-Farid, eternal beauty is symbolised through female beauty; in Indo-Muslim popular mystical songs the soul is the loving wife, God the longed-for husband." 13

Incorporation of Music in Rituals

Music of all forms is forbidden by the majority of scholars, and remains attached to forbidden practices such as drinking, fornication and parties. However, after the Muslim conquest of the Deccan under Malik Kafur (c. 1310), a large number of Hindu musicians were taken with the royal armies and settled in the North. The acceptance of the Sufi doctrines, in which music was an accepted means to the realisation of God, enabled Muslim rulers and noblemen to extend their patronage to this art.14 At the courts of the Mughal emperors Akbar, Jahangir, and Shah Jahan, music flourished on a grand scale, and Sufi Dervishes used music as a means to enter ecstatic trances.

Allah's Messenger (s.a.w) said in a lengthy hadith concerning the appearance of vile acts, "...when singing-girls and stringed instruments make their appearance, wines are drunk, and the last members of this people curse the first ones, look at that time for a violent wind, an earthquake, being swallowed up by the earth, metamorphosis, pelting rain, and signs following one another like bits of a necklace falling one after the other when its string is cut." [Tirmidhi ].

The deception of Sufism is brought to full light by looking at the lives of their esteemed leaders, the Sheikhs of whom which they place full trust in heir knowledge and obey their every command, and by contrasting the Orthodox Islamic teachings against the Sufi alternative.

Sufi Sheikhs: Role Models or Deviants?

Bayazid Tayfur al-Bistami

Bayazid is considered to be "of the six bright stars in the firmament of the Prophet (s.a.w)"15, and a link in the Golden Chain of the Naqshibandi Tariqah. Yet his life reeks of Shirin all aspects.

Bayazid al-Bistami was the first one to spread the reality of Annihilation (Fana'), whereby the Mystic becomes fully absorbed to the point of becoming unaware of himself or the objects around him. Every existing thing seems to vanish, and he feels free of every barrier that could stand in the way of his viewing the Remembered One. In one of these states, Bayazid cried out: "Praise to Me, for My greatest Glory!"

Yet this concept is to be found nowhere in the Qur'an, nor Sunnah, nor in the behaviour in the Salaf us Saalih.

Bistami's belief in the Unity of all religions became apparent when asked the question: "How does Islam view other religions?" His reply was "All are vehicles and a path to God's Divine Presence." Was this the Message of Tawheed which the Prophet (s.a.w) practised and was followed by the Sahaabah? He attributed the believers to be the same as the disbelievers themselves, who Allah describes as being worse than cattle (Surah 7, verse 179) and dogs; the same disbelievers who the Prophet (s.a.w) stated he had been commanded to fight till they testified that there was no deity but Allah.

The whole life of Bayazid is rife with such contradiction to Eeman. From a young age, he left his mother stating to her that he could not serve Allah and his mother at the same time.16 When walking through the streets, he once called out "I am God; why do you not worship me?" He spent his time sitting with his head resting between his knees, one of his companions stating he did so for thirty years. But strangest of all was his obedience to a dog he once came across. The dog had apparently become upset at Bayazid's attempt to avoid him, to which the dog spoke to him and scolded him. So Bayazid pleaded "O dog, you are so enlightened, live with me for some time."17

Ibn Arabi

During the late 12th and early 13th centuries, under the influence of speculative mysticism, Ibn al-Arabi produced a system that created a complete chasm between the law and Sufism. In societies, such as Islamic India, that had a strong pre-Islamic heritage of mysticism, this chasm became much wider.18

Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi holds perhaps the highest position amongst all Sufi Schools, and was pivotal in the permanent split between Islam and Sufism. He claimed to have received direct orders from the Prophet (s.a.w) himself, including a book of completely new hadith never seen or heard of before.

Prior to his receiving 'revelation', Ibn Arabi was well known to attend nightly parties in Seville. During one of these nights, he heard a voice (his drunk inner self?) calling to him, "O Muhammad, it was not for this that you were created". He fled in fear to a cemetery, where he claims to have met, and received instruction from, Jesus, Moses and Muhammad, peace be upon them all. From his books, innumerable forged sayings attributed to the Prophet (s.a.w) have been used, to the extent that countless of Muslims consider these to be real.

The following are quotes from Ibn Arabi:

"The man of wisdom will never allow himself to be caught up in any one form or belief, because he is wise unto himself".19

"All that is left to us by tradition (Hadith) is mere words. It is up to us to find out what they mean"20. (This reflects his alliance with Baatini (inner) meanings and interpretations)

"He (Ibn Rushd) thanked God that in his own time he had seen someone (Ibn Arabi) who had entered into the retreat ignorant and had come out like this (knowledge of inner meanings)- without study, discussion, investigation or reading"21

Junaid

Junaid was the fourth head of the Safavid order who sought to transform the spiritual strength of the order into political power. What may be unknown to his followers however was his policies of military adventurism combined with Shi'a and Sufi piety.22 His son, Haydar, himself established the Safavid dynasty and the Twelver Shi'a Islam in Iran came under his grandson, Isma'il I.

He was said to have blown a fatal breath at his slave-girl, to which he argued that she was ruining his forty years of spiritual practices.23

This so-called 'Saint', a supposed friend of Allah, made the following remarks:

"I saw a thief who was being gibbeted. I bowed to him... for being true to the profession he followed."

" He who fears Allah never smiles".

"One moments forgetfulness of the Lord ruins a thousands years worship".

Mansur al-Hallaj

Mansur is renowned for his claim "Ana-l-Haq" (I am the Truth), for which he was executed for apostasy. Yet he is still revered by Sufis even though he abandoned all the laws governing Tawheed.

He was said to have lived in one cloak for a full twenty years, along with a scorpion inside. He stood bare-footed and bare-headed for one year at the same spot in Makkah. During his prayers, he would say "O Lord! You are the guide of those who are passing through the Valley of Bewilderment. If I am a heretic, enlarge my heresy." He also said "I denied your religion (Islam) and denial is obligatory on me, although that is hideous to Muslims."24

Abu Yazid

Abu Yazid once prayed one Juma'a prayer in 24,000 different places. He told the religious authorities in one place: "I was praying in 12,000 different houses of worship today." They asked: "How?" He said, "By the power of the Lord Almighty. If you don't believe me, send people around to ask." They sat and waited until messengers returned saying that he was seen in so many places. Abu Yazid said later: "I was afraid to say 24,000, so I only said 12,000." So Abu Yazid clearly lied, when he could have simply not mentioned anything in the first place.

Are these truly the ones who we are told to receive the knowledge of our religion from? Do these men reflect the teachings of Islam? A man who left obedience to his mother, to the obedience of a dog? Are we supposed to follow men who receive revelation in a cemetery after spending the night at a party? Or a man who kills his slave girl for 'disturbing' his worship? To us, Islam calls smiling a charity, not a deviation from Allah's Pleasure. Islam forbids prostration to anyone but Allah. The Prophet (s.a.w) used to make du'a seeking Allah's guidance, not begging for heresy. And Islam teaches us truthfulness, not lies.

Evidence Against their teachings: their beliefs and practices

Position of the Sheikh and Wali

The Sheikh or Wali is given a similar standing as that of a Catholic Saint, or the Dalai Lama himself. Complete obedience is enforced on his followers, and any questions are deemed as a betrayal of trust: "The seeker must submit to the will of the Sheikh and to obey him in all his orders and advice, because the Sheikh has more experience and more knowledge in Haqiqat, in Tariqat and in Shari'ah," and "he must agree with the opinion of his Sheikh completely, as the patient agrees with the physician".25

Yet Muslims believe that any single act of worship must be substantiated by the Qur'an and Sunnah only. Allah the Exalted says: "Say (to them), 'Produce your proof if you are truthful'." [2: 111], and the Prophet (s.a.w) said "The created is not to be obeyed over the Creator."

The Sheikh is given the standing of a deity in Sufism. Attributes which belong to Allah, are also assigned to their Sheikhs. They seek help from them, whether they are dead or 10,000km away. They believe that their sheikhs know everything their students are thinking, and that they converse with the Prophet (s.a.w) on a regular basis (in reality).

Distortion of the concepts of zikr, hadith, Qur'an

Since the Qur'an and Saheeh Hadith cannot be changed, the Sufi's have reverted to Ta'weel, a method of changing the apparent meaning of the verse or hadith to have a hidden one. This provided them with sufficient lee-way to support any concept they desired, by simply stating that the verse/hadith had an inner meaning which only the Sheikh himself could know.

In the Bezels of Wisdom, Ibn Arabi presents certain aspects of what he terms "Divine Wisdom," as he conceives it. But Ibn al-Arabi interprets the relevant verses of Surat Noah in the most outrageous fashion, since he suggests meanings diametrically opposed to those accepted by all Muslim scholars. He interprets the "wrongdoe," "infidels," and "sinners" in Surat Noah as 'saints and Gnostics' drowning and burning not in the torment of Hell, but rather in the flames and water of knowledge of God. Ibn Arabi regarded the idols worshipped by Noah's people as divine deities. Allah condemned their deed saying: "And they (Noah's people) said, 'Do not abandon your gods, neither Wad, Suwa', Yaghooth, Ya'ooq nor Nasr'. " [71: 23]

On which Ibn Arabi commented:

"If they (Noah's people) had abandoned them, they would have become ignorant of the Reality ... for in every object of worship there is a reflection of Reality, whether it be recognised or not."

The act of making Zikr in circles and jumping/moving frantically is also totally unfounded. Zikr in the true Arabic sense means "Remembrance of Allah." The Prophet's (s.a.w) method, which Muslims agree to be the best and only acceptable one, of zikr consisted in reciting Qur'an, discussing religion with his companions, and making Tasbeeh on his hands. Yet the act of sitting in circles and loudly or silently chanting "Allah, Allah" was never practised by the Prophet (s.a.w) nor the Salaf, and all hadith which state that the Prophet (s.a.w) did so (such as when he supposedly went into a room, told the companions to lift up their hands and chant "La Ilaha Illa Allah" ) are unanimously agreed upon to be forged. Ibn Taymiyyah stated that this practice opened the door to Shaytaan, whereby the Shaytaan would enter the gathering (since they were involved in innovation) and take the form of a pious person. He also stated that the recital of "Allah, Allah" was forbidden, as it was never declared to be a form of zikr, and has no attached word to complete it (such as Allahu Akbar, Subhaan Allah).26

The stories also of Khidr and his meeting with the 'Awliyaa', the 40 Abdaal's who are always on the Earth and can be at any place in the wink of an eye, are derived from Jewish and Christian legends, not Islamic traditions.

Innovation

Imam Malik remarked: "That which was not religion at the time of the Messenger and his companions, may Allah be pleased with them all, is never to be religion today. He who introduces a Bid'ah (innovation) in the religion of Islam and deems it a good thing, claims by so doing that Muhammad (s.a.w) betrayed the Message."

The Sufis are to be found indulging in and spending an enormous amount of resources defending innovated practices, declaring them to be "good innovations." These include celebrating the death of the Prophet (s.a.w) (a practice adopted from the reign of Fatamids, who began this innovation in order to seek the pleasure of the masses), reading Qur'an over the dead and seeking blessings form them, and the building of extravagant mosques (even though our Prophet (s.a.w) forbade this. Anas reports that the Messenger of Allah said: "The Hour will not come to pass until the people vie with each other in (building) the mosques." [Ahmad, Abu Dawud, anNasa'i, Ibn Majah] ).

Why they still survive
Emotional attachment

The Sufi's have become such an integral part of the lives of so many Muslims that Muslims are finding it difficult to accept that the Sufi path is wrong, and accuse anyone who pinpoints the errors of Sufism as an extremist or a follower of some 'deviant' sect.

Sufism calls to human emotions rather than intellect and Islamic evidence. For example, poetry and music were the most popular form during the past hundreds of years, whereby "Sufi ideas permeated the hearts of all those who hearkened to poetry."27 Today, Sufism is followed by masses of people who desire to leave behind the complexities of this world, instead of building the ability to challenge it. Sufism provides the perfect escape, where its followers can meditate instead of thinking about the other Muslims who are suffering, let alone help them.

Similarity with pagan beliefs

Sufism is so similar to other religions, and as we noted earlier very tolerant of them, that a change to Sufism does not involve a complete change of life, as Islam requires. So Buddhists, Sikhs, Taoists and mystic Jews and Christians looking for an easy alternative find solace in Sufism which perhaps only adds another dimension to their previous way of life, rather than uprooting it and starting afresh

Simplicity

Ibnul-Jawzee says in Talbees Iblees: "Sufism is a way whose beginning was complete avoidance of the affairs of worldly life, then those who attached themselves to it became lax in allowing singing and dancing. Therefore the seekers of the hereafter from the common people became attracted to them due to the avoidance of the worldly life which they manifested, and the seekers after this world were also attracted to them due to the life of ease and frivolity which they were seen to live."

Sufism offers its followers a life carefree from fighting (Jihad), politics, the initiative to seek knowledge and teach it, the work of Da'wah, and allows a person to indulge in worldly activities such as music, magic, and other prohibited acts.

The leader of the Naqshibandi Tareeqa in America, was quoted in the media as saying the following: "You have to be both material and spiritual. Sufis can give people joy in their spiritual life. Well, Madonna is giving people a kind of joy in their material life... You cannot say she is wrong. Sufis don't object and criticise - they are accepting everything. That's why, when my children are looking at Madonna on MTV, I say, 'Let me come and look also!'"

Support from the governments

Any group which manages to gain the support of an anti-Islamic Government must be suspicious. During the reign of the tyrant Mustafa Kemal, under whose leadership thousands of scholars were executed and Islamic practices banned, special permission was granted by the Turkish government in 1954 allowing the Mawlawi dervishes of Konya to perform their ritual dances. In fact, they have become a regular attraction nowadays, performing around the world along with their Turkish Mystical Music State Ensemble. 28

The Sheikh of the Naqshibandi's of America has greeted and received praises from the President of America Bill Clinton himself. And why shouldn't he, since the 'Islam' he portrays is one of pacifism and unity with the Kuffar.

Twisting of evidence

Since the Qur'an and Hadith are readily available, and cannot be changed, the Sufis have resorted to another trick used by other Mystics: Ta'weel, or changing the apparent meaning of a verse or hadith to a secret inner one which only a certified Sheikh could explain!

They also rely on providing the mass with forged hadith, such as the one stating the beseeching of Adam (a.s) in the name of Muhammad when he sinned; the stories of Khidr; the rising of the Prophet (s.a.w) from his grave so a person could kiss his hand and so on.

Because of the lack of knowledge the general mass possess on the knowledge of Hadith and Aqeedah, they believe what they are told, and pass on the stories to other generations, becoming distorted even more along the way.

Another smart tactic is to attribute forged sayings in support of the Sufi's from the righteous scholars. For example, Ibn Taymiyyah is attributed to have been a member of the Qadiri order and had been initiated, and spoken great words on Bistami and his likes. Yet Ibn Taymiyyah spent the majority of his life fighting against the teachings of Sufism, was imprisoned because of them, and bluntly stated "...Ibn Arabi who wrote "Al-Fousous," and other slandering atheists such as Ibn Sab'een and his like. They even witness that they are simultaneously the worshipers and the ones being worshiped."

The Damage to the Ummah

l Sufis distracted the Muslims from the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah towards the servitude of the Sheikh. Muslims thus became alienated from the teachings of Islam, and possessed no protection from the innovations and trappings of the deviant sects. Teachings such as "He (the follower) must not look to any other than his Sheikh" did nothing to cement the community. Rather, it sent the ball rolling for the wars between the various Mathabs, which culminated in fighting, rejection of each other faiths, and praying at different stations in Makkah itself.

l The Sufi's have left a lasting impression on the image of Islam, portraying it as one of peace and apolitical, and anyone who contravenes this is an impostor and considered an extremist. By relying on forged hadith such as the 'bigger Jihad is Jihad'ul Nafs (i.e. struggle against the self)' and its like, Muslims have been made to believe that work and family is the greatest Jihad, rather than establishing Allah's religion on Earth though the use of the sword.

l The Sufi influence undoubtedly contributed greatly to the decline of the Ottoman Empire. The pacifist views they spread, the lack of Shari'ah knowledge, and their befriending of the disbelievers, made sure that no one would oppose the vast changes being made to the Ottoman Laws. By 1880, the Tanzimat period was in full force, where Shari'ah was replaced by European Laws (except in limited circumstances such as in Hadd punishments), yet little opposition was heard29. Whilst the masses were busy in the construction of extravagant mosques and spinning around in circles, the Ottoman Empire was overtaken by Masons and eventually torn to parts.

Conclusion

Sufism was doomed to destruction from when it first emerged, because of its deviation from the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah. The small excess, the little innovation, led to the snowball effect, such that it emerged as a movement for well-meant increased Ibaadah and Zuhd, to Kufr and Innovation.

In truth, Islam is sufficient for us, and it is only Shaytaan who wishes to turn us away from our religion, to make us exceed the limits, and fall into his trap. The only sure way to avoid this is to grasp tightly onto what was left to us by our beloved Prophet (s.a.w), the Qur'an and Sunnah, as understood and believed and acted upon by the best people to have lived: the Salaf us Saalih, the Companions and those who followed their footsteps.

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Two sides...of the coin..very interesting...

The basic thing i want from this, is the truth, those who hold the view, it is correct, give me more information and refute the articles and points raised by those who say it is not correct.

Those who regard it as something 'new', then provide the points and issues which are against the quran and sunnah. And try to refute the points raised by those who say it is allowed.

I hope to hear from members.!

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khalid sawani
22-04-2002, 12:07
ASSLAMOALAYKUM TO MUSLIMS

good artical , on anty sufisum I liked most
after reading all I ‘ll like to say something from my point view

for gaining spritual upliftment all you need to do is to keep one thing in mind for all times that “my Allah is watching me” that’s all ( if u don’t belive me now then practice it and know it that how many times in a day u think like this)
we do not feel like becoming sufies and invent new ideas if zikr and remembrence ( pls do not refuse this statement as I know thousands of sufies with their own styles of worshiping Allah and there are many groups of sufies like chistiya,kadaria,rafia,naqasbandia , rijwia etc…)
Remember each and everything invented (in religion not aeroplane ,net, and cars) is BIDAH and bidah will take to hell. There is no person as perfect as our prophet ( pbuh) and we have no right to reform deen which he has given

ibn_tayyiamah, ibn kathir, ibn jayujee, mohammed bin wahab , al –safai, naveee and binbaaz and albani too they are nodoubt good scholers but afterall humans and can make error,
Meaning of “tassawuf “ is good but way the sufies take for tassawuf (pureification) is dangerous.

We are not born to purify ourself only and also in the the way we like

But we are ummaah with responciblity from our supirior lord to purify a jew , a christ ,a hindu , a pagan and all others humans
Note this very well we can not purify anyone if we addopt all these confusing and tough ideas
AS ISLAM IS SIMPLE , EASY AND ACCORDING TO FITRA ( fitra means human nature) so I suggest brothers and sisters to present simple ,easy islam to non-muslims rather then confusing yourself and others

If we fail to do our duty to gain correct knowledge and spread it among others then we will be punished hard and there will be no body to save us ( qadrawhee, ba yazi bastamee, shaikh abdul qadir , imam gizalee, faqruddin razee and all )
Here are some questions I ask to most intelligent persons favouring sufiisum pls answer in yes or no
ABOUT MAJOR SUFIS TODAY
1… Do sufis go in jihad
2….Do they look after their home ,children and neighbour affairs in a way tought by prophet
3….Do they invite non muslims to islam
4….Can they prove KASAF ( knowledge of unseen ) from life of sahaba and tabaeyeen
5….Their ways of zikr is tought by Moahammed (pbuh)
6…. Do they posses COMPLEAT KNOWLEDGE of Hadeeth and fiqh (jurispendence)

I will lastly say that quran and true aheedeeth are enough if you understand

In favor of my arguments I will like to quote something from quran I hope you all are inteliggent enough to understand these verses and their naccesity and my intention for quoting them

Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow guardians besides Him, how little do you mind. (quran 7/3 )
And most of them believe in Allah and associate other partnens (with Him). (quran 12/106)

And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, (quran 3/103)

And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors.( quran 5/49)

And thus have We revealed it, a true judgment in Arabic, and if you follow their low desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you shall not have against Allah any guardian or a protector. (quran 13/37)

But if they do not answer you, then know that they only follow their low desires; and who is more erring than he who follows his low desires without any guidance from Allah? Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people (quran 28/50)

And from among you there should be a party who invite to good and enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong, and these it is that shall be successful. (quran 3/104)

DEAR FRIENDS
AFTER GETTING KNOWOLEDGE IF SOME ONE FOLLOWS HIS OWN DESIRES THEN HE IS ‘MUSHRIK’


KHALID…..

Huda
22-04-2002, 13:11
Listen from everyone.... learn that which is in accordance to Quraan and Sunnah.... listen to all Imaams... and take that which makes sense and applies with Quraan and Sunnah... use your mind!

I am currently learning from a site which is run by Al ikhwan al Muslimeen.... am i with them?? No I'm a sunni Muslim. Period. Not Ikhwani, not sufi, not nothing... simply muslim. But u go... read, research...if it is true.. u take it.. if not.. u leave it. You can do the same with sufis. If they do something in according to sunnah... sure take it why not... otherwise.. .leave it! however i think sunnah and quraan will be more than enough for us inshaAllah... And Allah knows best...

khalid sawani
23-04-2002, 09:07
Asalmolaykum to those who follow guidence

why to Go to every one (72 devients) to learn religion

i am copinyg a quote from our 4th true khalifa Ali (RA)

"Haq ( truth) can not be found thro" people, first learn truth then you will find out who are people of truth "

FIRST WE SHOULD STUDY QURAN THEN THOSE HADEETH WHICH ARE QUATED AS TAFSEER OF VERSES OF QURAN THEN HADEETH RELATED TO AMAL (PRACTICE } THAT IS ENOUGH

I am sure u will easily find devients and their belief if you read and practice quran only

sitting with them and learning from them may misguide any one

true people are suppose to study beliefs of others ( all sects and religions) and guide them towards light of truth

ACCORDING TO YOU IF WE GO TO SOME DEVIENT AND KEEP ON LEARNING FROM HIM WITH GOOD INTENTION SO WE ARE NOT MISGUIDED-- OK
BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THAT LAST DAY WHEN THAT DEVIENT PERSON WILL HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT GUIDING TO TRUTH, WHILE YOU WERE LEARNING FROM HIM THE FALSEHOOD

IT IS OUR DUTY TO GUIDE THEM ACCORDING QURAN AND HADITH IF THEY ARE FOUND WRONG SOMEWHERE

WHAT SHOULD BE A DUTY OF MUSLIM
THINK........

KHALID...

Sadiq
30-04-2002, 12:11
A very intersting topic..

Just want to ask the following questions?

> What is a salafi?
> Was the prophet a salafi, or the sahabahs?

Please do tell me!

I have met some 'so-called' salafi brothers, who dont shake your hands before they look at yourt ankle. There are some who curse the great imams..now

Are all salafi's wrong'? is the salafi movement wrong?

So again ask this! Was anyone of the sahabahs a muddhadith?

tell me and i will continue this later...

Sadiq
01-05-2002, 00:02
Let me carry on…

Now my intention is not to cause confusion to myself or those who are viewing this. Just want to clarify this issue.

So from the above questions, we come to the conclusion that, the sahahbas were not muddahadith or salaf’s and they did not use those terms, right?

Is it wrong to call someone a muhaddith, tell me?
So that is the line which I am posing, if the sahabahs were not salafs and they did not call themselves salaf, why should we?

As the word salaf means, the third generation, after the sahabahs and the taibien. When referring to that specific time in the Islamic history, were there existed great ulama and so on, they regard them as a salaf, nothing wrong with that. And those who copy them, like imam shafi who was a salaf, like many ulama, those who follow his fiqh are also known as salaf, nothing wrong with that.

So the issue is, why is it wrong to label your self a muhaddith or a salaf, (just two, there are plenty of examples)..or even a sufi?

Just explain to me…

Now I do not judge the salafs or any oth