Durood_Words

[Sadiq]

Salam to all!

Hope everyone is in good healthy and keeping fit!

Just want to raise this topic, which i have been reading up on. This is not to cause confusion, but rather confronting a issue which needs to be solved, so to say.

Lets begin;

i want to ask about the issue of;

Saying 'Ya Rasullah'.

Now i want responses in a general sense as well as specfic incidents. Whether it is allowed or not. Please consider the nasheeds which i think contain it too and other poems around the world.

Allowed!

Those who have said it to be allowed have said that, saying the above on each occasion warrants a different ruiling.

Poets address the mountains and animals in the poetry. None of them hold thier belief that these objects listen upon and respond to their poetry. These are merly imaginary words upon which no reality is determined.

Many have said that those who call with the above words are correct if there exists no corruption in thier belief.

The other point which i found in one book was the following;

" To read Muhammad Rasulullah simuitaneoulsy with Zikr of Allah as in Azaam, iaqmat, is an ibadah.However to read the name of the rasulullah in a way other than the prescribed in sharaiah eg to read the wazifa (litany) "Ya Muhammad, Ya Muhammad" is not permissible." This is from Irshadut talibeen, page 19.

Let us also consider the hadith, to the nearest meaning;

" I personally listen to the durood read at my grave, while the durood rea from a distance is brought to me( by the angels)."

What is the ruling or verdict about the words 'Ya Muhammad' considering both views...?

Just want to hear responses...from everyone!

[Huda]

This is what I know...

Calling upon the prophet for help is FORBIDDEN - Haram. However, talking i.e. like saying Ya Muhammad you were the best leader or something like that would be ok. However asking the prophet for help is forbidden because we shouldn't ask anyone except for Allah.

I know some people say its ok to ask Allah by the prophet... i think this is haram too because its like christianity we put someone or something between us and Allah....
in the Quraan Allah said, "wa etha sa'alaka ebadi anni fa enni qareebon ojebo da'awata adda'e eza da'aani" (if they ask you concerning me, say i am near and i hear the prayer of those who pray to me) thus Allah is telling us to ask him directly.

the words themselves "Ya Muhammad" are ok.. its just how u use it. If you use it with the intetion to "get closer to Allah" then think again. If you use it in terms of addressing the prophet... then i wouldn't think its wrong...and Allah knows best.

>> did i confuse you yet? i'll find some articles inshaAllah soon for u. wassalamu alikom

[Lulua]

Assalaamu alaikum.

Well, like the sister has mentioned, it rather depends upon how u use those words, and in what instances, and with what intention.

Used in anasheed (pl. for nasheed), the phrase 'ya rasool', or 'ya muhammad', is most likely not acceptable, and even haram. This is because it is a kind of calling upon him, as similar to how we call upon Allah.

You may note that the poet's reference to their mention of plants and animals and other things of creation, pointing out that this is not haram, and therefore using reference to the rasool not being haram, you will note that their reference to such portions of creation is not a calling upon them (i.e. using the term 'ya...'), but rather a mere mention of them or their aspects or their benefits, etc. If the same manner is used in reference to the prophet(SAAW), then there is nothing wrong in that. But the point is that calling upon him, using the prefix 'ya' is moving into the haram arena.

And surely Allah knows best.

There is many times a very fine line between the haram and halal, and we must beware ourselves of falling into that terrible category of haram, even in times which we are not aware of it ourselves. This is why it is important to include in our supplications, the plea to Allah to forgive us for our trespasses, those which we are aware of and those which we are not aware of. For it is many times in our lives that we may make mistakes and even sin, and not truly realize it ourselves.

Aoudhubillah min dhalik.

The supplication to be said at the grave of the prophet(SAAW) goes something like this:

'Assalaamu alaika ayuha an-nabi, warahmatAllahu wa barakaatuhu. Ash-hadu anik anta ar-rasool, wa ash-hadu anik balaghta ar-rasaalah.'

The English translation for that would be:

'Greetings and Allah's blessings upon you, O prophet. I bear witness that you are the messenger, and I bear witness that you delivered the message.'

Now...in this instance, using the prefix 'ya', or 'ayuha' is not a usage of calling upon him, but merely of directing the greetings to him, as well as bearing witness to his prophethood and that he delivered the message of Islam. This is different, and acceptable, as indicated by his very direction of doing so, in the hadiths, which he mentioned before his death, and in accordance of following the guidance set forth by our pious predecessors, his companions and the first generations after them.

But to say 'ya rasool', in connection with supplications indicating that this is an intermediary method of supplication (seeking his intercession for us with Allah), then this is against the basic teachings of Islam, which teach us that there is no necessity nor acceptance of intercessors between the worshippers and Allah. This, in fact, is one of the major beauties and simplicities of Islam, in that each and every soul may and can and perhaps even does contact by direct line of contact with the Creator, not needing anyone...dead or alive, regardless of how pious...as an intercessor.

And Allah knows best.

Lulua.

[Sadiq]

Salam to all!

Thankyou for your kind replies everyone. I started this thread for i have heard many nasheeds with those words.

I will research this matter more. And hold tight on the bridge, with words, actions, and dua.!

Sadiq

[khalid sawani]

Assalaamu alaikum. sister

i will be highly obligied if you
please get me details of this ahadeeth and its sanad(chain of narraters)and mohaddiths arguments regarding authencity of this hadeeth and it's matan(contents of this hadith) wrote by you....

>The supplication to be said at the grave of the
>prophet(SAAW) goes something like this:
>
>'Assalaamu alaika ayuha an-nabi, warahmatAllahu wa
>barakaatuhu. Ash-hadu anik anta ar-rasool, wa ash-hadu anik
>balaghta ar-rasaalah.'
>
>The English translation for that would be:
>
>'Greetings and Allah's blessings upon you, O prophet. I bear
>witness that you are the messenger, and I bear witness that
>you delivered the message.'
>
>Now...in this instance, using the prefix 'ya', or 'ayuha' is
>not a usage of calling upon him, but merely of directing the
>greetings to him, as well as bearing witness to his
>prophethood and that he delivered the message of Islam. This
>is different, and acceptable, as indicated by his very
>direction of doing so, in the hadiths, which he mentioned
>before his death, and in accordance of following the
>guidance set forth by our pious predecessors, his companions
>and the first generations after them.

pls note that this time I am not witing any thing bold
and I wish you wil care to reply me

KHALID...