The heart of a true believer

[Muslim (Guest)]

Bismillah ir Rehman ir Raheem


Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) said: " The heart of a true believer doesn't
deceive in three things
1) performing righteous deeds for Allah alone

2) obeying the Imam (leader)

3) and sticking to Jamaat ul Muslimeen, surely their invitation and
propagation is dominating on their opponents" [Mustradhak Hakim, 1/87,
Sanaad: Saeeh]


Is there prove of any other Jamaat other then Jamaat ul Muslimeen in
Quran & Sunnah ?

[Luque (Guest)]

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>Bismillah ir Rehman ir Raheem
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> Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) said: "
>The heart of a true
>believer doesn't
>deceive in three things
>1) performing righteous deeds for Allah
>alone

Luque says: How selfish? I thought Allah is almighty, doesn't need human.

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>2) obeying the Imam (leader)

Luque says: What if Imam asking something contradict to positif values? Should obey or not? How to differentiate?

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>3) and sticking to Jamaat ul
>Muslimeen, surely their invitation and
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>propagation is dominating on their opponents"
>[Mustradhak Hakim, 1/87,
>Sanaad: Saeeh]

Whose Jumaah? Taliban? Iran? Iraq? Turkey? or My kind, Logicist?

>Is there prove of any other
>Jamaat other then Jamaat ul
>Muslimeen in
>Quran & Sunnah ?

Subject to interpretation. Logical interpretation always cater for current (up to date) lifestyle. The word from Qur'an or Sunnah can be interpreted in many ways. Which way Allah wants? The answer is only with him. Who is right, who is wrong? Wait until hereafter.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)

[Lulua]

Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.

Good day to all.

Hmm...again, Luque...you are being quite puzzling.

I always gathered from you (by you mentioning in just so many words)...that you are not one looking towards the hereafter, but rather you are living life of the moment, and for the moment. Strange occurance of events, Luque...you looking to the hereafter now.

Anyways...if you are truly a 'logicist' as you claim...you would not even have the nerve to question Allah and His High position to assume or presume of Him arrogance. AstaghfurAllah..Allah is He...the One who is most High...He is in need of no one...it is we who are in need of Him and His Guidance.

This mention of 'performing deeds for Allah' is to remind ppl to do what you do for the sake of pleasing Allah, for the sake of obeying His commands...and to remind ppl NOT to do it out of hipocricy and for showing others what you are doing and when. It is a safe-guard against hipocricy and going into sin that way.

As for obeying the Imam...it goes without saying...that anything that anyone should order you to do...if it is against Allah's commandments, then it is of course haram...and should not do it. Gee, Luque...thought you were a 'logicist'? That is simple and common logic...as well as a prescribed order or guidance.

'la da'at-ul-khalq fee ma'siyat-Allah.' meaning: 'there is no compulsion or obedience to the created beings when it involves disobedience to Allah.'

Adhering to the 'jamaat-ul-muslimeen'...again, simple logic, really...means to adhere to the congregation of the muslim public, the muslim majority. Stick together...and do not separate.

Lulua.
(simple muslim)

[Luque (Guest)]

Assalamualikum Sister Lulua.

Good, now you also believe in logic. Surprise.

But your logic is not the type of my logic. As a word manipulator, you are good.

I got to restress about the meaning of logic that I have been talking about.

Do you know the causes and consequences?. That's logic. Do you know the probability?. That's also logic. Do you know repeatable event, like turning on the computer? That's also logic. Do you know continuous event, like the highest mountain of the world exist since before until today? That's logic.

In approaching consequences we have theory. Theory is a guess explanation based on experience or past event.

What you are saying as logic, actually is just theory. But your theory is not based on experience or past event. That kind of theory I call superstitious.

In Islam, believe in superstitious is prohibited and considered a big sin. The part of "big sin" I don't care. But anyone who believe in supertitious is stupid or fools, other word is Jahil.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist).