Hadiths on the division of this ummah.

[Muslim (Guest)]

Hadiths on the division of this ummah.


Our prophet Muhammad said : " The followers of Mossa (pbuh) split
into 71 sects ,one went to heaven , the followers of Eisa (pbuh) split
into 72 sects, one went to heaven and this comunity will split into
seventy three : seventy two of them will go to hell and one of them
will go to paradise , it will be Al-Jamaat". [Abu Dawood, Sanad:
Saeeh ] .

Our prophet Muhammad said: " My millat (ummah) will be divided into 73
parts, all will go to hell except one", the companions (r.a.t.h) of
Prophet (pbuh) asked: "who that will be", Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
said: " the one on which I and my companions are" [ Tirmizi shareef,
Sanad: Hasan]

[Luque (Guest)]

So now you are saying that even Prophet Muhammad made decision for Allah even before the judgement day. Wow, how prejudice?

You can believe the way you want to believe. Allah and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is not like the way you describe for sure.

Allah is the best infinity on what you can imagine and Prophet Muhammad is the best as normal human being, characteristically.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)

[Lulua]

Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.

Good day to all.

To begin with...I would like to remind all of the basic definition of prophet:

According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1979:

prophet:
1. one who utters divinely inspired revelations; the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Old Testament;
2. one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight;
3. one who foretells future events;
4. an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or a group.

That said, I would like to also remind all of some pertinent verses from the Quran:

'Those who reject Our Signs We will lead them step by step to ruin while they know not; Respite will I grant unto them: for My scheme is strong (and unfailing). Do they not reflect? Their Companion is not seized with madness: he is but a perspicuous warner.' s.4, v.182-184.

'Thou art not, by the grace of they Lord, Mad or possessed.' s. 68, v. 2.

'And (O people!) Your Companion is not one possessed.' s.81, v.22.

'Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.' s.18, v.110.

'By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: he was taught by one Mighty in Power' s. 53, v. 2-5.

*** you can see, from the above verses...that Mohammed(SAAW) was neither mad nor possessed, nor was he a soothsayer, but he was inspired in all that he said. Even in such predictions (as well as the renditions of the past...mentioning of what happened to the followers of the previous prophets)...was merely of inspiration given to him.

This is by no means an attempt upon his part to take over the powers of Allah...but merely relaying that which he has been inspired to relay...as warning and reminders to all that follow him.

May we all be guided to that which is best.

Lulua.

[Freeman (Guest)]

Can I ask Mr "Muslim", did you read the koran backwards? because you seem to have no Idea of what Islam is about, even an "Infadel" like me has more understanding of your book than you have! Islam=peace, you=idiot! You do not speak for muslims, please go away.

Freeman

[Mardhiah]

Assalamualaikum Muslims,
Luque, you seems to be the odd one here.I suggest you better read the whole Quran and understand it.Read this:
Surah Al-Rum
Bismillahi-Rahmani-Rahim
1. Alif*Lâm*Mîm. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'ân, and none but Allâh (Alone) knows their meanings].

2. The Romans have been defeated.

3. In the nearer land (Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious.

4. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allâh, (before the defeat of Romans by the Persians, and after, i.e. the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allâh to the Romans against the Persians),

5. With the help of Allâh, He helps whom He wills, and He is the All*Mighty, the Most Merciful.

6. (It is) a Promise of Allâh (i.e. Allâh will give victory to the Romans against the Persians), and Allâh fails not in His Promise, but most of men know not.

7. They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world (i.e. the matters of their livelihood, like irrigating or sowing or reaping, etc.), and they are heedless of the Hereafter.

8. Do they not think deeply (in their ownselves) about themselves (how Allâh created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)? Allâh has created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, except with truth and for an appointed term. And indeed many of mankind deny the Meeting with their Lord. [See Tafsir At*Tabarî, Part 21, Page 24].

9. Do they not travel in the land, and see what was the end of those before them? They were superior to them in strength, and they tilled the earth and populated it in greater numbers than these (pagans) have done, and there came to them their Messengers with clear proofs. Surely, Allâh wronged them not, but they used to wrong themselves.

10. Then evil was the end of those who did evil, because they belied the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, Messengers, etc.) of Allâh and made mock of them.

11. Allâh (Alone) originates the creation, then He will repeat it, then to Him you will be returned.

12. And on the Day when the Hour will be established, the Mujrimûn (disbelievers, sinners, criminals, polytheists, etc.) will be plunged into destruction with deep regrets, sorrows, and despair.

13. No intercessor will they have from those whom they made equal with Allâh (partners i.e. their so*called associate gods), and they will (themselves) reject and deny their partners.

14. And on the Day when the Hour will be established, that Day shall (all men) be separated (i.e the believers will be separated from the disbelievers).

15. Then as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and did righteous good deeds, such shall be honoured and made to enjoy luxurious life (forever) in a Garden of delight (Paradise).

16. And as for those who disbelieved and belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, Allâh's Messengers, Resurrection, etc.), and the Meeting of the Hereafter, such shall be brought forth to the torment (in the Hell-fire).

17. So glorify Allâh [above all that (evil) they associate with Him (O believers)], when you come up to the evening [i.e. offer the (Maghrib) sunset and ('Ishâ') night prayers], and when you enter the morning [i.e offer the (Fajr) morning prayer].

18. And His is all the praises and thanks in the heavens and the earth, and (glorify Him) in the afternoon (i.e. offer 'Asr prayer) and when you come up to the time, when the day begins to decline (i.e offer Zuhr prayer). (Ibn 'Abbâs said: "These are the five compulsory congregational prayers mentioned in the Qur'ân)."

19. He brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living. And He revives the earth after its death. And thus shall you be brought out (resurrected).

20. And among His Signs is this, that He created you (Adam) from dust, and then [Hawwa' (Eve) from Adam's rib, and then his offspring from the semen, and], - behold you are human beings scattered!

21. And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect.

22. And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.

23. And among His Signs is the sleep[] that you take by night and by day, and your seeking of His Bounty. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who listen.

24. And among His Signs is that He shows you the lightning, by way of fear and hope, and He sends down water (rain) from the sky, and therewith revives the earth after its death. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who understand.

25. And among His Signs is that the heaven and the earth stand by His Command, then afterwards when He will call you by single call, behold, you will come out from the earth (i.e from your graves for reckoning and recompense).

26. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient to Him.

27. And He it is Who originates the creation, then will repeat it (after it has been perished), and this is easier for Him. His is the highest description (i.e. none has the right to be worshipped but He, and there is nothing comparable unto Him) in the heavens and in the earth. And He is the All*Mighty, the All*Wise.

28. He sets forth for you a parable from your ownselves, - Do you have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e your slaves) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Whom you fear as you fear each other? Thus do We explain the signs in detail to a people who have sense[] .

29. Nay, but those who do wrong follow their own lusts without knowledge, Then who will guide him whom Allâh has sent astray? And for such there will be no helpers.

30. So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh's Fitrah (i.e. Allâh's Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq*illâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not[]. [Tafsir At*Tabarî, Vol 21, Page 41]

31. (Always) Turning in repentance to Him (only), and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and perform As*Salât (Iqâmat*as*Salât) and be not of Al*Mushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.).

32. Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.[]

33. And when harm touches men, they cry sincerely only to their Lord (Allâh), turning to Him in repentance, but when He gives them a taste of His Mercy, behold! a party of them associate partners in worship with their Lord.

34. So as to be ungrateful for the graces which We have bestowed on them. Then enjoy (your short life); but you will come to know.

35. Or have We revealed to them a Scripture, which speaks of that which they have been associating with Him?

36. And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy, they rejoice therein, but when some evil afflicts them because of (evil deeds and sins) that their (own) hands have sent forth, lo! They are in despair!

37. Do they not see that Allâh enlarges the provision for whom He wills and straitens (it for whom He wills). Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who believe.

38. So give to the kindred his due, and to Al*Miskîn (the poor) and to the wayfarer. That is best for those who seek Allâh's Countenance, and it is they who will be successful.

39. And that which you give in gift[] (to others), in order that it may increase (your wealth by expecting to get a better one in return) from other people's property, has no increase with Allâh, but that which you give in Zakât seeking Allâh's Countenance then those, they shall have manifold increase.

40. Allâh is He Who created you, then provided food for you, then will cause you to die, then (again) He will give you life (on the Day of Resurrection). Is there any of your (so*called) partners (of Allâh) that do anything of that ? Glory be to Him! And Exalted be He above all that (evil) they associate (with Him).

41. Evil (sins and disobedience of Allâh, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that Allâh may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allâh, and begging His Pardon).

42. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Travel in the land and see what was the end of those before (you)! Most of them were Mushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.)."

43. So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face to (the obedience of Allâh, your Lord) the straight and right religion (Islâmic Monotheism), before there comes from Allâh a Day which none can avert it. On that Day men shall be divided [(in two groups), a group in Paradise and a group in Hell].

44. Whosoever disbelieves will suffer from his disbelief, and whosoever does righteous good deeds (by practising Islâmic Monotheism), then such will prepare a good place (in Paradise) for themselves (and will be saved by Allâh from His Torment).

45. That He may reward those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous good deeds, out of His Bounty. Verily, He likes not the disbelievers.

46. And among His Signs is this, that He sends the winds as glad tidings, giving you a taste of His Mercy (i.e. rain), and that the ships may sail at His Command, and that you may seek of His Bounty, in order that you may be thankful.

47. And indeed We did send Messengers before you (O Muhammad SAW) to their own peoples. They came to them with clear proofs, then, We took vengeance on those who committed crimes (disbelief, setting partners in worship with Allâh, sins, etc.), and (as for) the believers it was incumbent upon Us to help (them).

48. Allâh is He Who sends the winds, so they raise clouds, and spread them along the sky as He wills, and then break them into fragments, until you see rain drops come forth from their midst! Then when He has made them fall on whom of His slaves as He will, lo! they rejoice!

49. And verily before that (rain), just before it was sent down upon them, they were in despair!

50. Look then at the effects (results) of Allâh's Mercy, how He revives the earth after its death. Verily! That (Allâh) Who revived the earth after its death shall indeed raise the dead (on the Day of Resurrection), and He is Able to do all things.

51. And if We send a wind [which would spoil the green growth (tilth) brought up by the previous rain], and they see (their tilth) turn yellow, behold, they then after their being glad, would become unthankful (to their Lord Allâh as) disbelievers.

52. So verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) cannot make the dead to hear (i.e. the disbelievers, etc.), nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they show their backs, turning away.

53. And you (O Muhammad SAW) cannot guide the blind from their straying; you can make to hear only those who believe in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and have submitted to Allâh in Islâm (as Muslims).

54. Allâh is He Who created you in (a state of) weakness, then gave you strength after weakness, then after strength gave (you) weakness and grey hair. He creates what He wills. And it is He Who is the All*Knowing, the All*Powerful (i.e. Able to do all things).

55. And on the Day that the Hour will be established, the Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) will swear that they stayed not but an hour, thus were they ever deluded [away from the truth (i.e they used to tell lies and take false oaths, and turn away from the truth) in this life of the world)].

56. And those who have been bestowed with knowledge and faith will say: "Indeed you have stayed according to the Decree of Allâh, until the Day of Resurrection, so this is the Day of Resurrection, but you knew not."

57. So on that Day no excuse of theirs will avail those who did wrong (by associating partners in worship with Allâh, and by denying the Day of Resurrection), nor will they be allowed (then) to return to seek Allâh's Pleasure (by having Islâmic Faith with righteous deeds and by giving up polytheism, sins and crimes with repentance).

58. And indeed We have set forth for mankind, in this Qur'ân every kind of parable. But if you (O Muhammad SAW) bring to them any sign or proof, (as an evidence for the truth of your Prophethood), the disbelievers are sure to say (to the believers): "You follow nothing but falsehood, and magic."

59. Thus does Allâh seal up the hearts of those who know not [the proofs and evidence of the Oneness of Allâh i.e. those who try not to understand true facts that which you (Muhammad SAW) have brought to them].

60. So be patient (O Muhammad SAW). Verily, the Promise of Allâh is true, and let not those who have no certainty of faith, discourage you from conveying Allâh's Message (which you are obliged to convey).


Mardhiah Mansor

[Luque (Guest)]

Assalamualaikum Sister Mardhiah.

I am an Islamic Logicist definately odd from you kind of typical one.

About somebody was saying as stated in Qur'an that only small percentage of Muslims will be accepted by Allah, so I guess I should be the odd one in order to be accepted by Allah.

But what I am saying is not for many to follow afraid later will not be the odd one. I want to remain as odd one in order to be accepted by Allah.

Does this make sense?

Logic is my life. Since I was borned as a muslims and brought up in Muslim environment, I still remain one with the understanding of logic. Even if I were to be borned in other environment of faith, I would still be having that kind of faith with logic.

I am sure you do not really understand logic even though you have been using the word in your life. Just like many of non-muslims who use the word Islam in their talking but never actually undertand it.

Still it doesn't harm me. Only pity on you.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)

[Luque (Guest)]

Freeman, you cool.

Many of these people they cannot think right. Maybe you do not have to be that rough but with little bit of diplomacy. Only my opinion.

Looking forward to your comment too.

Thank you.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)

[Mardhiah]

Waalaikumussalam brother,
It is nice to have pity on others.So far I haven't read any verses from the Quran or Hadiths of the prophet in your posts.How about coming out one relating with the odd ones who will be accepted by God? And is having fun their purpose of life in order to be accepted?
Mardhiah Mansor

[Luque (Guest)]

Assalamualaikum sister Mardhiah.

Thanks for replying.

As khalifa, we are given mind to use in differentiating right and wrong. We have knowledge based on experience and past event about the process of nature created by Allah or whoever you want to call it.

About the Qur'an and Hadith, those reference cannot be against the nature. Nature never lie. Left Qur'an and Hadith as words. Word can be meant and interpreted in many ways. The original scripture was unquestionable, but the later brought up by human just like you and me interpreted by people like you and me have got so much things to be questioned.

The questions about Qur'an and Hadith must be synchronize with the nature. The nature I mean include the behaviour of human being beside the universe.

Even the word God and his name is Allah or other 98 names refering to the one. Naturaly we believe God as Superhuman who he is able to do anything beyond human capacity positively. Superhuman who can do anything beyong human capacity negatively we call it devil.

Miracle and disaster are just words. The event that occur naturaly which benefited, we call miracle and the event occured which harm or hurt us, we call it disaster. Sometimes we interpret disaster as God's anger. And sometimes we call it as the act of evil. This cannot be right.

This is the mind of logicist like me. Any verse from Qur'an, Hadith, Torah, Bible or any books including science books, or material like newspaper available on this earth or universe that synchronize with the nature, I believe and I have faith in it. But the moment it cannot be supported with the process of nature, I call it superstition.

The Qur'an is inside you. Believe in it. That one never lie or misinterpreted.

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)

[Mardhiah]

Assalamualaikum,
-As khalifa, we are given mind to use in differentiating right and wrong. We have knowledge based on experience and past event about the process of nature created by Allah or whoever you want to call it.

True

-About the Qur'an and Hadith, those reference cannot be against the nature. Nature never lie. Left Qur'an and Hadith as words. Word can be meant and interpreted in many ways. The original scripture was unquestionable, but the later brought up by human just like you and me interpreted by people like you and me have got so much things to be questioned.

How could the Quran be misinterpreted? The words are simple.Further more there are hadiths to surport its facts.
Perhaps you should bring out those which we interpret differently.Insya' Allah we will clarify any misunderstanding.
The problem here is that you never come up with verses of Al-Quran or Hadiths.So you are wasting your time telling people what your belief is like without having strong evidences.When you say Islam, it means one belief, one faith, different people and cultures.The only source is the Quran then Sunnah.

-The questions about Qur'an and Hadith must be synchronize with the nature. The nature I mean include the behaviour of human being beside the universe.
Even the word God and his name is Allah or other 98 names refering to the one. Naturaly we believe God as Superhuman who he is able to do anything beyond human capacity positively. Superhuman who can do anything beyong human capacity negatively we call it devil.

There are other 99 names not 98.God is not a human.To call Him Superhuman is not suitable.He is far beyond defination."Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne! Exalted be He from all that they ascribe (to Him)"(43:82)

"And that it is He (Allâh) Who makes (whom He wills) laugh, and makes (whom He wills) weep;
And that it is He (Allâh) Who causes death and gives life;
And that He (Allâh) creates the pairs, male and female,
From Nutfah (drops of semen male and female discharges) when it is emitted;
And that upon Him (Allâh) is another bringing forth (Resurrection);
And that it is He (Allâh) Who gives much or a little (or gives wealth and contentment),
And that He (Allâh) is the Lord of Sirius (the star which the pagan Arabs used to worship);
And that it is He (Allâh) Who destroyed the former 'Ad (people),
And Thamûd (people). He spared none of them.
And the people of Nûh (Noah) aforetime, verily, they were more unjust and more rebellious and transgressing [in disobeying Allâh and His Messenger Nûh (Noah)].
And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which Prophet Lout (Lot) was sent].
So there covered them that which did cover (i.e. torment with stones).
Then which of the Graces of your Lord (O man!) will you doubt.
This (Muhammad SAW) is a warner (Messenger) of the (series of) warners (Messengers) of old].
The Day of Resurrection draws near,
None besides Allâh can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it).
Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'ân)?
And you laugh at it and weep not,
Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.).
So fall you down in prostration to Allâh, and worship Him (Alone)." (53:43-62)


Even devils can't do what they want without being allowed by Allah."And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.
(Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."
(Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."
(Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
(Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."
(Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.
Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."
(Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."(7:11-18)

-Miracle and disaster are just words. The event that occur naturaly which benefited, we call miracle and the event occured which harm or hurt us, we call it disaster. Sometimes we interpret disaster as God's anger. And sometimes we call it as the act of evil. This cannot be right.

"And (remember) when they said: "O Allâh! If this (the Qur'ân) is indeed the truth (revealed) from You, then rain down stones on us from the sky or bring on us a painful torment.And Allâh would not punish them while you (Muhammad SAW) are amongst them, nor will He punish them while they seek (Allâh's) Forgiveness."(8:32-33)


"If He wills, He can take you away, O people, and bring others. And Allâh is Ever All*Potent over that.Whoever desires a reward in this life of the world, then with Allâh (Alone and none else) is the reward of this worldly life and of the Hereafter. And Allâh is Ever All*Hearer, All*Seer." (4:133-134)

"O Prophet! Say to the captives that are in your hands: "If Allâh knows any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you, and Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."(8:70)
This is the mind of logicist like me. Any verse from Qur'an, Hadith, Torah, Bible or any books including science books, or material like newspaper available on this earth or universe that synchronize with the nature, I believe and I have faith in it. But the moment it cannot be supported with the process of nature, I call it superstition.

-The Qur'an is inside you. Believe in it. That one never lie or misinterpreted.

Thank you for reminding.I will never forget that.

Mardhiah Mansor

[Luque (Guest)]

>Assalamualaikum,

Pn Mardhiah,


>How could the Quran be misinterpreted?
>The words are simple.Further more
>there are hadiths to surport
>its facts.
>Perhaps you should bring out those
>which we interpret differently.Insya' Allah
>we will clarify any misunderstanding.

What does it mean by gamble, zina, pig, alcohol, theft, etc?
Is the interpretation from Qur'an or from language we speak. In Qur'an there is no verse for defination of words. The meaning of words are varies from one place to the other. That's why law have the section for defination. Qur'an doesn't have that.

If you were to interpret gambling as the game of chance, everything we do is the game of chance. That means we cannot do anything. Since everything is "gambling" it is forbidden.

Probability is part of logic. The nature is created with the probability. The probability of having tommorrow is nearly 100% but still small probability of not having it is there. You or me might die tommorrow. Is living is forbidden since it is a gamble?

What is arabic word for pig? Does this word exist on the day Muhammad received the verse? Does God meant as what we understand today? Does Qur'an define the word "pig"?

Alcoholic beverages is forbidden. Does Allah mean that or just matter of interpretation by the so called "Ulamak"? Because since Allah is almighty, he wouldn't make something that he doesn't like. Only stupids or fools do what they don't like.

Zina as premarital sexual intercourse interpreted by God or by us?

Talking about Hadith. Does prophet Muhammad meant the way we understand today? Some of the Hadiths (as if coming from him), sound ridiculous. In fact many of them.

The nature of words travel. The usage of words or the meaning of it would distort the moment it travels to other person or to other places.

How could you tell me the meaning of words in Qur'an and hadith are preserved its originality after 1500 years?


>The problem here is that you
>never come up with verses
>of Al-Quran or Hadiths.So you
>are wasting your time telling
>people what your belief is
>like without having strong evidences.When
>you say Islam, it means
>one belief, one faith, different
>people and cultures.The only source
>is the Quran then Sunnah.

I don't waste my time. No one wants to belive me it is okey. I don't lose anything. I still go to work and get paid as usual.

When prophet Muhammad taught Islamic teaching, many of Arabs didn't buy it. Did he lose anything? No. But definately he wouldn't use superstition to overule another superstition. Did he use any existing Arabic verse during his teaching?

I mean Islamic Logicist. Logicist and supertition believer are two major different group. My reference anything supported by the the process of nature.

>There are other 99 names not
>98.God is not a human.To
>call Him Superhuman is not
>suitable.He is far beyond defination."Glorified
>be the Lord of the
>heavens and the earth, the
>Lord of the Throne! Exalted
>be He from all that
>they ascribe (to Him)"(43:82)

Is it 99 including or excluding Allah as the name? Do you think superhuman is human? Do you think Goat is human? Or less human?

Do you want to describe "heavens"? What throne? Like the King? The King is human.

>"And that it is He (Allâh)
>Who makes (whom He wills)
>laugh, and makes (whom He
>wills) weep;
>And that it is He (Allâh)
>Who causes death and gives
>life;

Now I am laughing. Does he make me laugh or your words make me laugh? Many civilian Afghans weep. Does he make them weep or losing the love one make them weep? Many people die everywhere and all the time. Does Allah is the cause of death or pathologist report will show the cause of death. I would want to be a pathologist since the only cause of death is Allah. So simple.

One time human from clay, then semen, later life caused by Allah. When tools function properly, it lives. Human brain is like computer. Blood is like electricity. The moment brain doesn't received sufficient blood, it stops function. person dead. Like the moment CPU doesn't received enough electricity, it doesn't function, computer dead.

Maybe you will understand more the way we logicist think.

>And that He (Allâh) creates the
>pairs, male and female,
>From Nutfah (drops of semen male
>and female discharges) when it
>is emitted;
>And that upon Him (Allâh) is
>another bringing forth (Resurrection);

I will deal about resurrection later when I face it.

>And that it is He (Allâh)
>Who gives much or a
>little (or gives wealth and
>contentment),
>And that He (Allâh) is the
>Lord of Sirius (the star
>which the pagan Arabs used
>to worship);
>And that it is He (Allâh)
>Who destroyed the former 'Ad
>(people),
>And Thamûd (people). He spared none
>of them.

What about the extinction of certain species of animals? I thought it is hunted by the people. So we shouldn't blame human, blame God. Is this you want to teach me? ????

The words in bracket, does it come from Allah as well?

>And the people of Nûh (Noah)
>aforetime, verily, they were more
>unjust and more rebellious and
>transgressing [in disobeying Allâh and
>His Messenger Nûh (Noah)].
>And He destroyed the overthrown cities
>[of Sodom to which Prophet
>Lout (Lot) was sent].
>So there covered them that which
>did cover (i.e. torment with
>stones).
>Then which of the Graces of
>your Lord (O man!) will
>you doubt.
>This (Muhammad SAW) is a warner
>(Messenger) of the (series of)
>warners (Messengers) of old].
>The Day of Resurrection draws near,

Will we be resurrected after or before we die? Resurrection means live again if I am not mistaken. That means, after we die. The resurrection drews near to those who had died not those who still live. This information should be to the dead one.

>None besides Allâh can avert it,
>(or advance it, or delay
>it).
>Do you then wonder at this
>recital (the Qur'ân)?
>And you laugh at it and
>weep not,
>Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime
>and amusements (singing, etc.).
>So fall you down in prostration
>to Allâh, and worship Him
>(Alone)." (53:43-62)

That means, the bombing in Afghanistan is according to his wills. The etnic cleansing by the Serbs also granted by Allah, and the war is always through his blessing. Why didn't he do anything if he is that powerful and against his blessing?

>Even devils can't do what they
>want without being allowed by
>Allah."And surely, We created you
>(your father Adam) and then
>gave you shape (the noble
>shape of a human being),
>then We told the angels,
>"Prostrate to Adam", and they
>prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he
>refused to be of those
>who prostrate.
>(Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O
>Iblîs) that you did not
>prostrate, when I commanded you?"
>Iblîs said: "I am better
>than him (Adam), You created
>me from fire, and him
>You created from clay."
>(Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down
>from this (Paradise), it is
>not for you to be
>arrogant here. Get out, for
>you are of those humiliated
>and disgraced."
>(Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till
>the Day they are raised
>up (i.e. the Day of
>Resurrection)."
>(Allâh) said: "You are of those
>allowed respite."
>(Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent
>me astray, surely I will
>sit in wait against them
>(human beings) on Your Straight
>Path.
>Then I will come to them
>from before them and behind
>them, from their right and
>from their left, and You
>will not find most of
>them as thankful ones (i.e.
>they will not be dutiful
>to You)."
>(Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out
>from this (Paradise) disgraced and
>expelled. Whoever of them (mankind)
>will follow you, then surely
>I will fill Hell with
>you all."(7:11-18)

See how unfair God is. He purposely letting the devil to even think as the devil and commits develish act later he punish the poor guy (devil). How could he?

One time it is mentioned human from semen later from clay. Is it clay is semen?

Those human who follow the devil "will filled hell", and the act of following the devil is his making. What kind of game is he playing?

Is this kind of God I should believe in? No way....

>"And (remember) when they said: "O
>Allâh! If this (the Qur'ân)
>is indeed the truth (revealed)
>from You, then rain down
>stones on us from the
>sky or bring on us
>a painful torment.And Allâh would
>not punish them while you
>(Muhammad SAW) are amongst them,
>nor will He punish them
>while they seek (Allâh's) Forgiveness."(8:32-33)

Those children in some parts in Africa are tormented by the drought and sickness. And also some other parts all over the world. You say (as Qur'an interpretation) Allah purposely does that? Is Qur'an interpretation meant, if Muhammad were with them, Allah wouldn't let it happen? A lot of weird stuff ha?


>"If He wills, He can take
>you away, O people, and
>bring others. And Allâh is
>Ever All*Potent over that.Whoever desires
>a reward in this life
>of the world, then with
>Allâh (Alone and none else)
>is the reward of this
>worldly life and of the
>Hereafter. And Allâh is Ever
>All*Hearer, All*Seer." (4:133-134)

So since the brutality exist throughout the world and still not taken away, means he still lets it happen. What kind of God is that? Even he sees and hears still never bothers. mmmmm

>"O Prophet! Say to the captives
>that are in your hands:
>"If Allâh knows any good
>in your hearts, He will
>give you something better than
>what has been taken from
>you, and He will forgive
>you, and Allâh is Oft-Forgiving,
>Most Merciful."(8:70)

Allah is always forgiving me. Why should I worry? Since he is most merciful, I will definately go to paradise. Cool.


>Thank you for reminding.I will never
>forget that.

Good.


>Mardhiah Mansor

Luque
(Islamic Logicist)