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Lulua
28-09-2001, 11:18
Oppression seems to know no religion other than it's own ill-concieved self-impression of righteousness.
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ISRAEL'S SYSTEMATIC PERSECUTION OF PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS:
WATCHING HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF
Abridged and adapted from an essay by Omar Fayez
[originally distributed by IViews.com, August 31, 2001]
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As soon as it came into being, the Christian minority suffered
persecution from Jewish authorities. One of their most ruthless, Saul,
once he converted, became himself the victim of the same persecution.

Today, more than two thousand years after the birth of Jesus, the
Christians of Palestine are once again being threatened by the Jews;
this time, through the Israeli policies blindly supported by the U.S.
Since the creation of Israel in 1948, through the current intifada
(civilian uprising) on September 29, 2000, Israel has systematically
harassed, beaten, killed and expelled Palestinian Christians.

Today, the birthplace of Christianity, Bethlehem and its suburbs of Beit
Sahour and Beit Jala, are encircled by Israeli tanks and heavy weapons
as means of economically blockading the area. There are more than 50
churches located here, including the Church of the Nativity and
Rachael's Tomb. Christian institutions such as the Holy Family Hospital,
Christian Society for the Holy Land Hospital, Efta Institute for the
Deaf and Dumb and the Children's Village S.O.S. are also being subjected
to this ruthless military occupation.

Like their Muslim comrades, the 50,000 Palestinian Christians living in
the West Bank and Gaza Strip suffer the same humiliations under Israeli
occupation. In the past ten months, Israel has bombed Bethlehem and its
suburbs a number of times, using U.S.-made artillery and helicopters.

While the media may focus attention on military confrontations and
diplomatic manoeuvering, there is also the economic war waged by Israel
against the Palestinians. For Palestinian Christians living in Gaza,
this high density area has been turned into a virtual prison. Factories
have stopped producing, prices of commodities have skyrocketed, schools
have been closed, transportation has stopped, fuel and electricity have
been cut off.

Palestinian Christians have also been denied medical care and many have
died at Israeli checkpoints in vain attempts to gain access to emergency
hospital treatment. The Israeli army has even attacked Palestinian
ambulances.

More than half of the Palestinian population is below the age of 16, and
hundreds of schools have been attacked, closed or seized by the Israeli
army in its systematic persecution of non-Jewish institutions; children
and teachers have lost their lives.

Late in July, 2001, when Israel attacked the predominantly Christian
village of Beit Jala, near Bethlehem, a girls' orphanage was seized and
its Lutheran teachers and staff denied access to protect and comfort the
children. Bishop Munib Younan, head of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
in the Holy Land told the Jerusalem Post, "it is totally unacceptable to
enter church premises and frighten orphans."

On several other occasions in August, Israeli troops and police
prevented interhational volunteers with the widely respected Christian
Peacemaker Teams from bringing supplies and help to Palestinian
Christians in Beit Jala and other areas attacked by Israeli guns and
tanks. They are among civil rights organizations whose Christian members
are being marked for arrest and deportation; the Israeli army also raids
churches and had arrested and deported a number of clergy.

Bethlehem's Mayor Hanna Nasser, a Christian, is faced with the
inevitable Israeli military invasion of his beloved city. And Reverend
Mitri Raheb, Pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in
Bethlehem, stated that "the worsening economic situation, due to
Israel's repeated closures, has led many to lose hope that there is
going to be peace in the region."

There is a widespread misconception in the United States that the plight
of the Palestinian Christians is due to Muslim hostility, but in this
suffering is wholly due to the hostility of Israel. For their part,
Palestinian Christians lament that the rest of the world scarcely knows
they exist, yet at the highest levels Christians are working and
struggling to save Palestine. Hanan Ashrawi, a Christian from Jerusalem
and a leading Palestinian intellectual, was recently appointed director
general of media affairs for the Arab League; PLO leader Yasser Arafat
is married to a proactive Christian woman.

Numerous Christian leaders have spoken out to support the plight of
Palestinian Christians in light of recent Israeli brutality. On August
10, 2001, the general secretary of the World Council of Churches, Dr.
Konrad Raiser, described the continued Israeli occupation of Palestinian
territories as a "clear violation of international law." Additionally,
the largest Lutheran body in the U.S. called on that country's
government to withhold all economic and military aid to Israel. In
calling for such action, Lutheran leaders said they were following the
words of Jesus to comfort "the poor, the powerless and the outcast."

Palestinian Christians, like their Muslim counterparts, are victims of
official Israeli practices that blatantly discriminate on the basis of
religion. Some of these include: the prohibition of land sale or lease
to non-Jews; the denial of government funding to their educational,
social or medical institutions; the denial of recognition and government
funding for their holy and historical sites; the denial of citizenship
rights such as are guaranteed all Jews under the Law of Return; the
threat of impending legislation before the Knesset that would make
Christian missionary activity and the possession of Christian scriptures
(such as the New Testament) illegal.

Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim, view the Israeli occupation,
maintained by force and marked by daily inhumane sufferings, abuse and
violence, as a central cause of the current crisis. Israel has a
fundamental right to security, but security will not be won by the
ongoing annexation of Palestinian lands, blockades of villages,
U.S.-made F-16 fighter and Apache gunship air strikes on cities, the
wanton destruction of crops and homes, and numerous other excesses of
force.

For more than 50 years, Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian,
continue to suffer under an inhumane and brutal occupation; nearly five
million are refugees with little hope for the future. The United States
sends more than $6 billion in aid each year to Israel, but nothing to
benefit Palestinians. Instead, the U.S. taxpayer subsidizes the "gift"
of weapons that kill and maim them. These first 11 months of the
Intifada are just the beginning of the long war by desperate
Palestinians in their quest for freedom and justice. Like black South
Africans before them, the Christians and Muslims of Palestine are
determined to overcome this horrific half-century assault on their
people Palestine.

SarahB. (Guest)
29-09-2001, 00:08
Lulua:

Can you EVER be a peace-loving, rather than a fear-mongering, Israeli-hating Muslim? The Jews AND the Muslims are over here, in the United States, having interfaith services. What is the deal with you?

James Allen said that, if an individual thinks everyone around them is evil, there will be much poverty and starvation.

Face reality? Yes, I face it. But, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I see where your abundance is.

Golly, Isaac and Ismael sure screwed things up, didn't they?

I am no longer going to read your negative posts as it causes much unrest with me.

May God or Allah give you true peace, in the truest sense.

In Him,

Sarah Buck

Lulua
29-09-2001, 10:16
The interfaith services that are occurying now in US are including those persons who are IN the US...not those who are in Israel, doing the magnificent atrocities that they are carrying on with.

I have no complaints against those persons who are participating in such services, nor do I have any complaint against the few and far-between civil and peaceful communities that are in the Palestine/Israel confines. However, I DO have a large and valid complaint against those imposing oppression of persons who have every right, if not more, to their own lands.

If my posts bother you so much, then don't read them. You are quite free to simply ignore any post that has my name to it.

However, the western world is severely mis-informed and ill-informed about what IS going on in Palestine/Israel...and I do what little that I can to help propagate that information.

Perhaps you need to re-examine your own beliefs or feelings or level of knowledge or whatever it is...if that truth of what is going on in the world truly bothers you so much.

You WILL notice that this last message of mine is something in defense of and hopefully serving the cause of those oppressed...regardelss of their religion..for it is inclusive of Muslims and Christians alike. This is a very real aspect of the Israeli agenda...whether you may like it or not. And it is a sad state of the affairs of the world to date.

Too many people have been of your mentality for too long...that they have been kept in the dark about Israel's agenda, and even swayed into support of Israel at the cost of losing all sense of truth, fairness, and general human concern. This has gone on too long.

Be like an ostrich if you choose. I choose not to.

SarahB. (Guest)
29-09-2001, 18:24
I am not as an ostrich. I face reality, everyday. Everyday.

I am against whoever fighting over whatever occupation of whatever land. Israel is being as racist as Palestine. The God I serve is not partial to anyone, Lulua.

Israel is more atheist than orthodox Jew. The fact they use the Old Testament as a deed to whatever land is, in my opinion, very hypocritical.

On the other hand, the Palestinians do not have a hold on what goes over here. The Palestinians are just as guilty, in my opinion, as the Israelis who want to spread strife and division amongst the Christians and peace believing Muslims. Just look at Yassir Arafat, the king of terrorism. And, doesn't Palestine have a "terrorist museum" making light of the bombing of the pizza parlor?

The killing has got to stop and spreading hate and intolerance for ANY COUNTRY is flat out wrong, and you just do not want to admit it.

Lulua
29-09-2001, 22:39
It is quite easy for you or anyone else to call Yasser Arafat as the king of terrorism, for that is the picture that America had painted of him for so long.

Let me ask you this...if you and the land that you live in are to be invaded any day by a populace or group who, for some warped reason or another, consider it their 'God-given right' to occupy and take over that land...whether by force or not, and if you were to return fighting (the 'you' here meaning you particularly as well as those who lived on that land with you...your fellow citizens, regardless of religion)...then you would be classified as the terrorist in this condition, for the mere resistance that you would put up towards the incoming occupying forces. This, of course, is in accordance with the Israeli definition of what is going on.

Wake up...study the history of the land a bit more...and learn what is actually going on. Palestinians are going thru a butchery and torture daily at the hands of the Israelis, and the rest of the world is silently watching...and only those like myself who speak out are confronted like persons like yourself...insisting that the violence must stop. When? and How?

Who has the weaponry in this conflict? Who has the apache helicopters? Who has the tanks and machine guns? Who has the tear gases? And all of this in the face of stone-throwers? Tisk, tisk.

Such uneven sides, and yet the rage continues.

For all those insisting that the violence MUST stop...I would really like to witness them someday when the shoe may be put on the other foot...when the tables may be turned. Not out of vice, or out of hatred, but out of curiosity, actually, to see if they would consider themselves terrorists under the same circumstances, or perhaps freedom fighters, fighting for their God-given right to live in peace in the land in which they were born? To live in peace and harmony in their homes in which their ancestors lived? Or would they simply agree to and say to those invaders who would take over their homes in the middle of the night...who would throw tear gas at their bedroom windows...oh, please do come in...make yourself at home...take it ...it is yours free of cost...

There has been a great injustice done...and the people to whom the injustice is being done will certainly not wait for you to save them...they are fighting for their own freedom and for their own livelihoods and their own lands. Something which you could never understand.

Read up. Learn about it. Until then, you have really little right to insist that their violence 'stop'. It is sad indeed to see such violence. But it will not stop...until the base of the problem is solved, and that will not be until the world realizes the wrong that they have done in permitting and enabling the occupyers...the true terrorists to move in on innocent and unwilling victims.

SarahB. (Guest)
30-09-2001, 16:08
Are we not made in the image of Allah, or God?

Everything I said in my last missive you just repeated.

You are not understanding me, and I am not understanding you. So it must be a cultural thing. I am not going to fight over to see who's God is right.

Have a peaceful life, Lulua.

believer (Guest)
12-10-2001, 18:48
Greetings. I would just like to say to Lulua that I agree concerning Israel`s persecution of Christians in Israel, but that I really cannot understand why you are pointing fingers? You talk about not being an ostrich but can`t you see the conditions of Christians in muslim countries? I think the saying of the Messiah, "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?" (Mat.7) is very appropriate here, don`t you think so?
Best regards.
Believer

concerned (Guest)
13-10-2001, 18:04
35% of Palestinians are Christians so no denial that they are being persecuted.

concerned

vancouver
04-04-2002, 01:34
Greetings

An interesting point you made about Isaac and Ishmael. Abraham was promised a son from his marriage with Sarah. But through a little lack of faith at the time decided to make other arrangements. As a result Ishmael was born first. If everything had gone in accord with God's arrangement Ishmael would never have been born. That is something to ponder. The result was bullying of Isaac by Ishmael and a parting of the ways eventually. The Messiah was to come through Isaac who after all was the result of a marriage and a miracle. Abraham enacted the sacrifice of Jesus when he prepared Isaac(who was 25 years old at the time)for a sacrifice to God. Although God was testing Abraham's faith at the time it did foreshadow God allowing his own begotten Son to be sacrificed so that all nations would benefit including the nation Ishmael started.

Regards

vancouver