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Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
Greetings and good day to all.
Another world conference is under way, and yet another major and obvious arrogant absence of American presence. The Earth Summit-concerning matters of the nature and continuing evolution of the earth, as in related to mankind, starvation, population, poverty, etc.
It was only recently (perhaps a year or slightly more) that the Americans boycotted another world conference, under the pretext of disagreement with the world's leaders and their populations to name the state of Israel Zionism as equal to nazism.
And still the Americans are refusing to see their dangerous presence and insistance amongst the more tolerant of the world populace.
The pressures upon world nations to either reduce or totally eliminate their stockpiles of nuclear weaponry and other weapons of mass desctruction, while the US merely builds up and builds up their own supplies.
And it is those who have none of such weapons or at the very least very small and limited accessibility to such...as terrorists.
All the while the American regime proposes here and there and orders here and there what world leaders are fit to lead their own countries.
Ah...yes...that elusive and frightening term...'new world order' comes to mind.
I advise all to read up on Islam, and learn what Islam has to say in regards to poverty and the duty implied upon those more fortunate to give to the poor, and to support the poor. If people would implement (beginning with Muslims, of course) the teachings of Islam, there would be no problem of poverty in this world.
But then again...people have come to a stage where they are thinking only of themselves...not realizing that the riches and fortunes that they may have are something of a loan from their Creator, which they have been given as a trust...and a test...to see what they will do with it. Little do they realize that it could just as easily and even more so be taken away one day...as easy or easier than which it first came to them.
Truly, Islam has the answers for the situation of the poor...but it takes people to implement it.
(for reference to the earth summit, see: http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1370713&src=firehunt/GetContent:13
lummirick
05-09-2002, 12:50
The arrogance of the North Americans & abstinance from the Kyoto Accord does underline the hippocracy of the present administration which would presume to bully the rest of the world to abide by it's policies. This however is more a characteristic of the Bush family, and the power elite to which they belong. Although many Americans are mislead by both govenment and media, there are still plenty of people who do not abide with that arrogance. It is important do decern the difference.
Bodacious
05-09-2002, 21:55
Lulua...first and foremost, when (not if, when) people like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden get ahold of nuclear weapons, they WILL use them. Are you suggesting that we lower our defenses? That they hijacked planes and flew them into buildings killing THOUSANDS of innocent people proves that they simply do not care about mass destruction. They will use nuclear weapons against the world when they get them.
Second, in regards to poverty...if Islam is the answer to poverty, then why do all muslim nations suffer from the worst poverty imagineable?
Take Somalia for example...exactly how are the Muslims living there abiding by Allas's word when they kill eachother over food?
Yes Lulua....please do explain why poverty is rampant in all-Muslim societies.....particularly explain why Somalia is still suffering from starvation while they are just a stones throw away from other Muslim nations who sat idly by and did nothing.
Hello RCG:
Before you get carried away with your often poorly researched information, have you questioned yourself why there's poverty in majority Christian countries such as very near to you in Central and South America and for that matter in USA? A Catholic site http://www.usccb.org/cchd/povertyusa/ says these "nice" words about poverty in USA:
"For more than 34 million Americans, every day is a bitter struggle to survive with the least. They are America's poor, left behind on the road to prosperity. "
This is 5 times Somalia's population, problably the next rich country in Africa, in near future, as Allah has blessed them with petroleum. Unless of course the American imperialists think Somalia is a threat...
Oppression doesn't endure forever. USA's time will come. In the past Allah used to punish the nations with earthquakes and fire, nowadays He just takes away their wealth.
You amaze me :D
Bodacious
06-09-2002, 17:10
Poverty in America is caused by a lack of education. Of those people in poverty, how many graduated from college? How many from high school?
What makes America different, is that you are only bound by your own limitations. Furthermore, if we're so poverty stricken...why are so many people from around the world trying to get in?
Oh, and you avoided the question.
Hello Bodacious:
You have attempted to respond to the causes of the poverty and indeed you have implied that it has nothing to do with Christianity. Surely education is an important factor. If you are ignorant, you'll miss most of the opportunities to change your status.
How about Central and South America - all places near to RCG's home? Catholicism is quite strong there. Has it to do with Christianity or Catholic Christianity?
> What makes America different, is that you are only bound by
> your own limitations.
The Catholics of the site I mentioned won't agree with you. We are talking about more than 10% of USA's population, as if it were one State of USA equivalent to a poor Third World country.
> Furthermore, if we're so poverty stricken...
Do you deny that there's poverty in USA and state that the figure of 34 million poor is a lie? :rolleyes:
lummirick
07-09-2002, 00:32
Bodacious...the point made was about America dictating to other sovereign nations, what weapons should be in their arsenals, while america continues to restock their own. When did the people of the world vote for America to make decisions for them? That does not speak to the issue of any sovereign nations right to defend themselves. Now we are being told there needs to be a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq because of who is in power. And yet Sadam, no matter how threatening he may be has never shown any ambitions beyond invading Kuwait to reclaim disputed territory which originally did belong to Iraq before the British ceded it to Kuwait. This is not to say Sadam is not a dangerous person, merely that no facts have yet been presented that Saddams intentions match Pentagon analysts' fears.
>>Hello RCG:
Before you get carried away with your often poorly researched information, have you questioned yourself why there's poverty in majority Christian countries such as very near to you in Central and South America and for that matter in USA? A Catholic site http://www.usccb.org/cchd/povertyusa/ says these "nice" words about poverty in USA:<<
The question wasnt whether or not there is or isnt poverty in America, but rather does Islam cure poverty as Lulua claimed?
But to address your statement, I was never in denial that poverty exists in all corners of the world in some form or other. I also did not imply that Christianity cures poverty. Why not?
Because in a society where people are free to choose right from wrong not everyone chooses the right. This is also true in your own Muslim world.
You posted a catholic site.......I am not Catholic and so I do not give their findings too much credit.
But suffice it to say that the figure of 34 million is quite incredible. That means basically that at least one to two in every ten people are living in poverty. I know more people than that and yet I know of nobody who is living in poverty. You chose to compare this figure of 34 million to the population of Somalia........why not also compare the immirgation rates.....tell me how many people are lining up to get into Somalia and compare that to the total number of immigrants to the US per year.
If Islam really does cure poverty then where is the economic opportunity in Somalia?
You also wrote
>>problably the next rich country in Africa, in near future, as Allah has blessed them with petroleum. Unless of course the American imperialists think Somalia is a threat...<<
Petroleum, really? When you wrote this did you realize that you confirmed that OIL, not ISLAM, cures poverty? So pretty much you just contradicted Lulua's claim......Thank you.
But dont be too hopeful about Somalia getting rich on petroleum.........The US is the number one market for your oil reserves.......and yet here you are wishing that America were destroyed.........The only reason the Saudis and the other OPEC nations wont embargo their oil is because they have nobody else to sell it to. And if they dont sell it they lose millions in revenue. Be careful what you wish for.
>>You amaze me <<
I am glad I can be of service.
Hello RCG:
I am quite used to your quick response when it comes to Islam. Instead of just reading the title and jumping to conclusions you ought to read what Sr Lulua said about one of the causes of poverty, the lack of solidarity with less fortunate. Islam teaches us to be in solidarity with the poor and not to be selfish. She used the verb "can".
You may like to know that I wouldn't line up to go to USA, even for holidays. You can lock the immigrations doors firmly closed as far as I am concerned. Why people line up to go to USA? Ask them as I care very little and wouldn't spend my cent to go there.
The Catholic site that you refused to look into uses the statistics of U.S. Census Bureau, Demographics Survey Division, June 2001 and it states that "poverty in the USA touches all localities: in suburban America, 8.3% of all residents are defined as living in poverty; in rural America, 13.4%; and inside central cities, the poverty rate stands at 16.1% of all residents".
Perhaps you ought to open your eyes and look around yourself.
;)
Originally posted by Bodacious
Lulua...first and foremost, when (not if, when) people like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden get ahold of nuclear weapons, they WILL use them. Are you suggesting that we lower our defenses? That they hijacked planes and flew them into buildings killing THOUSANDS of innocent people proves that they simply do not care about mass destruction. They will use nuclear weapons against the world when they get them.
Second, in regards to poverty...if Islam is the answer to poverty, then why do all muslim nations suffer from the worst poverty imagineable?
Take Somalia for example...exactly how are the Muslims living there abiding by Allas's word when they kill eachother over food?
Bodacious...please do refer to your opening statement in this post...
'..when(not if, when) people like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden get ahold of nuclear weapons, they WILL use them.' end quote.
Do you realize what you are saying here? You are indicating quite clearly that all the current rucous against both Saddam and Bin Laden are utterly useless. Yes...the war raged against Afghanistan was under the pretext of 'smoking out Bin laden-dead or alive'...but then it has carried onto a pretext of prevention or destruction of nuclear and mass-weapon development facilities.
Not to mention the ongoing 10 years + against the Iraqi people, under the pretext of the Iraqi rejection of adherance to UN resolutions. (BTW...what ever happened to punishing any other countries who have opted to ignore UN resolutions?? Should I name them???)
That means that the US insistence of the international inspection teams to Iraq...is baseless. Cause you say that WHEN they get ahold of such weapons...indicating that there is no such thing now.
Try to get ur language straight, and get the point across correctly. Cause this type of language is totally opposite to what is being claimed.
Lulua.
RCG-I ask you to go back to my original post of this thread, and read it again...with open mind to comprehending what is said. I am not, mind you, asking you to agree with what is said...just asking you to re-read the message, and try to COMPREHEND what was said.
In your normal manner of attacking Islam, you have missed the whole meaning and message of the post.
In all actuality, I have addressed this post as much to the muslims (and maybe even more) than to the non-muslims. For you see, I as much as anyone else...and perhaps even more...(for I live amongst 'muslims') realize the terrible state that the muslim community is in.
I realize full well the terrible situation of poverty in the Arab and Muslim world. I see it daily around me. I do what I can to cure it...by helping to take care of those whom I can reach.
But I addressed this post to the muslims as well as the non-muslims...as a reminder to the muslims of their duties to their fellow brethren muslims.
For truly Islam, when adhered to in it's fullest, IS a cure for all social ills of this world. But that is WHEN adhered to.
For you see, muslims are in a state of ignorance (not as in 'not knowing' but rather as in 'arrogance' and ignoring their duties as muslims) of their own religious duties and responsibilities, and therefore have become weak and poor muslims. And this has led to a weak community of muslims.
And it if when the muslims will wake up and realize their mistakes and sins...and correct them...that they will be able to lead a true islamic life...and then changes will occur...thru that living of the Islamic life...adhering to Islamic principles.
You may notice when you re-read my message...that I mentioned ISLAM is the cure for world poverty (and other social ills)...not muslims. It is the implication of the teachings of Islam which will cure such ills...and not the muslims themselves. Not until they begin to live life as muslims. As is taught to us thru the Quran and the exemplification of our beloved prophet Mohammed (SAAW).
Lulua.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 17:47
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You may notice when you re-read my message...that I mentioned ISLAM is the cure for world poverty (and other social ills)...not muslims. It is the implication of the teachings of Islam which will cure such ills...and not the muslims themselves. Not until they begin to live life as muslims. As is taught to us thru the Quran and the exemplification of our beloved prophet Mohammed (SAAW).
Lulua. [/B]
Based upon that, Lulua, one could easily say that Chrisianity is the cure for poverty. And indeed, when you look around the world, there is far less poverty in predominantly Christian countries than anywhere else in the world.
As for the 34 million living in poverty in America, no, I don't buy that number at all. Yes, we have poverty...to the tune of 34 million? No, that's an exaggeration.
There is not a single country in the world that applies the laws of Christianity.
For example, Western countries are some of the richest countries int he world today, but not a single one of them applies the laws of Christianity.
When Europe used to apply the laws of Christianity, it was extremely poor and scientifically backward. Whereas, when the Muslims used to adhere to the Qur'an and Sunnah strictly, they were very rich, and the Muslims contributed greatly to the field of science.
However, when Muslims stopped adhering to the Qur'an and the Sunnah strictly, look what happened. The sorry state of affairs, which Muslims find themselves in, is because we are disobeying Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him). If we follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah strictly, and if we obey Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) in all our affairs, then surely, we will have success both in this life and in the Life Hereafter.
Now, with regards to the 34 million Americans who live in poverty, that is not an exaggerated statistic, but the former President of America, Bill Clinton, when he was still in office, mentioned this number. (Source : BBC World News Service)
Anyway, back to what you said :
"Based upon that, Lulua, one could easily say that Chrisianity is the cure for poverty. And indeed, when you look around the world, there is far less poverty in predominantly Christian countries than anywhere else in the world."
I absolutely disagree with you here. You can study the history of Europe when it used to apply laws of Christianity. It was extremely backward. And now, there is not a single country on this planet (besides Vatican), which applies the laws of Christianity.
The Western World is rich, but it does not apply Christian laws. For example, homosexuality is legal, but according to Christianity, it is forbidden. Another example, adultery is rampant in the Western World, yet according to Christianity it is prohibited. Another example is abortion, which is legal in many Western countries, but according to Christianity it is forbidden.
So there, i've given you several examples, which disprove the point you raised.
Take care,
Asif.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 18:19
The difference between the US and the UK, is that they are predominantly Christian...no, they don't adhere to the bible, as most Islamic nations adhere to the Qu'ran (sp?), but the population is certainly made up of a majority of Christians. All religions preach 'be kind to your neighbor', it's up to the followers of the religion to put it to practice.
Luluas statement that Islam is the cure for poverty is correct...but then, that's a blanket statement for ANY religion.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 18:32
Oh, and I stand corrected on the 34 million...I just did some research, and that number is correct. Of course, what Americans consider poverty and what people in the Middle East consider poverty are two different things.
Dear Bodacious,
You said : "The difference between the US and the UK, is that they are predominantly Christian...no, they don't adhere to the bible, as most Islamic nations adhere to the Qu'ran"
No bodacious, most Muslim countries do not follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah. That's exactly what Sister Lulua is trying to say. She is saying that if Muslim countries followed the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and if Muslims followed the Qur'an and the Sunnah, then Muslims will have success both in this life and in the Life Hereafter.
Now, in your previous post, you said : "Based upon that, Lulua, one could easily say that Chrisianity is the cure for poverty. And indeed, when you look around the world, there is far less poverty in predominantly Christian countries than anywhere else in the world."
Now, when Europe used to apply Christian laws, and when the European Christians used to practise their religion, the Europeans were an extremely backward people. Isn't it true that the church used to persecute scientists? What i am saying, is that when Christians were practising their religion, in Europe, and when Christian laws were implemented, there was chaos, and backwardness in Europe.
However, when Muslims used to follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and used to obey Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) in all their affairs, Subhan Allah, Allah bestowed honour upon the Muslims. You can study Muslim history, to verify what i am saying. Muslims contributed greatly to the field of science, back then.
But, when Muslims stopped following the Qur'an and the Sunnah, look what happened to us. We are scientifically backward now, and poverty is rampant in many Muslim countries. Islam is indeed the cure for poverty.
Now, with regards to USA and UK. Tell me honestly, are the majority of Christians living in USA and UK practising their religion? The truth is, that an overwhelming majority of Christians in these countries, are not practising Christians. Therefore, your argument, that Christianity is the cure for poverty, is simply baseless. This is what i am trying to say, dear bodacious, and i do hope you got the point this time.
Take care,
Asif.
Dear Bodacious,
You said : "Oh, and I stand corrected on the 34 million...I just did some research, and that number is correct. Of course, what Americans consider poverty and what people in the Middle East consider poverty are two different things."
Yes, WE already knew that this number is correct, but it was someone else (i am sure you know who i am talking about) who disbelieved us. Next time, before you accuse us of lying or exaggerating, at least verify the facts.
Take care,
Asif.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 18:48
I didn't accuse YOU of lying or exaggerating...please do not accuse me of that. I believed the source was exaggerating.
Now, when talking about countries adhering strictly to the bible, you're going back in time quite some ways. Those countries learned from their mistakes...when will the Islamic nation learn from theirs?
Dear Bodacious,
You said : "I didn't accuse YOU of lying or exaggerating...please do not accuse me of that. I believed the source was exaggerating."
You had said, in one of your earlier posts : "As for the 34 million living in poverty in America, no, I don't buy that number at all. Yes, we have poverty...to the tune of 34 million? No, that's an exaggeration."
When it was pointed out to you that so-and-so number of Americans are living in poverty, you said, "No, that's an exaggeration".
You are correct, you did not accuse me, as in individual, of lying or exaggerating, but i am sure you might have realised by now, that when i used the word "us", i meant Muslims, or to be more specific, the Muslims who participate on these forums. And, the truth is, you did accuse us of exaggerating. Anyway, i am happy that you have accepted the truth now.
Bodacious, you further said : "Now, when talking about countries adhering strictly to the bible, you're going back in time quite some ways. Those countries learned from their mistakes...when will the Islamic nation learn from theirs"
I have two points to make in response to the above statement of yours.
I pray to Allah that we Muslims learn from our mistakes, and that we start following the Qur'an and the Sunnah strictly, and that we start obeying Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) in all our affairs, and may Allah forgive us, Ameen.
Secondly, i find it rather interesting, that you said : "Those countries learned from their mistakes". This means that you consider those countries, that used to apply Christian laws, to be wrong. It also means that you consider those Christians who used to practise Christianity, to be wrong. Rather interesting indeed. Are you a Christian? Or are you a follower of another religion?
Take care,
Asif.
In all actuality, Bodacious...Christianity is NOT a cure for the ills of society...including poverty. This is because Christianity is not a religion based upon laws and following those laws. This is because...as you will read in the Bible (even that which is available to mankind today...and surely not the original scriptures as revealed by God)...that even within the bounds of that book...that Jesus himself said that he had not come to make new laws, but merely to implement the previous laws. And what were the previous laws? That which was given to the Jews.
But even the Jews themselves did not and do not strictly adhere to those laws.
That is why Jesus was sent as messenger in the first place...to give some guidance where the people had strayed. And yet...even the Christians do not adhere to the laws and provisions given within the bible.
Need I mention them? There are countless incidents. The bible...the NT...calls for women to cover their heads...do Christian women do that? The Bible...the NT...calls for women to remain silent in the church gatherings. But that is not the case today. The Bible, the OT...calls for capital punishment for crimes such as adultery, stealing, killing, etc...and yet Christian countries do not implement those laws.
Just a few examples of how Christians are not adhering to the teachings of their own Bible. And yet they still call themselves Christians, and they claim that they follow the writings. Yet they do not.
Christianity is very much strayed from it's original message, and no one of the Christian world pays even the first ayota of adherance or attention to the laws. And so, therefore, Christianity, as it is known today, is not an answer for the world's ills.
However, Islam is. Mind you...I said ISLAM...and not the muslims themselves. ISlam. The laws and tenets set down in Islam...if learned and then implemented...are and can be a cure for all the ills of society.
Perhaps it's time for the people of the world to learn what that is.
Muslims and non-muslims alike.
Lulua.
I am actually stunned that you condone adultery. Adultery is something truly evil, and people who indulge in such evil and disgusting acts ought to be punished for their crimes.
lummirick
09-09-2002, 21:04
peace be with you, may our words lead to better communication and not attacking and defending. Islam makes a provision for sharing with those in poverty and so does Christianity. In truth, both have done much to aid the weak and the afflicted. Islam defines the percentage of wealth to be shared...and moreover many laws were created to protect both livelyhood and virtue of those in society...this does much to defeat poverty. Anyone can find examples of how members of one religion have fallen short of the teachings of their book, but to approach truth, why not also examine the extent to which they have succeded? Any discussion of poverty should include a comparrison of available resources, and therefore employment opportunity. To compare a modern western society in a geographical region rich with resources or even something as common as abundant water with those that are lacking those resources is folly. Moreover physical poverty is often a chosen sign of religious stability. That many God-fearing people have often chosen devotion to God rather than worldly wealth is also obvious. The poverty of the soul which allows some people to ignore the truth about sharing with others is broached in both Islam and Christianity, and Judaism as well. Allah the Merciful has shared the gift of Life with us so that we may safeguard each other and do his will...when we fall short as believers, that only portrays our weakness as individuals, not that of scripture.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 21:56
Asif, I never once said anywhere that I condone adultery.
What I can not understand, is how adultery is punishable by being stoned to death. Could you please enlighten me on that one?
Asif wrote>>There is not a single country in the world that applies the laws of Christianity.<<
For once I agree with you. No government in the world today should attempt to do so either. Christianity has never worked when governments tried to enforce their version on the population as a whole.
Asif wrote>>Now, when Europe used to apply Christian laws, and when the European Christians used to practise their religion, the Europeans were an extremely backward people. Isn't it true that the church used to persecute scientists? What i am saying, is that when Christians were practising their religion, in Europe, and when Christian laws were implemented, there was chaos, and backwardness in Europe.
However, when Muslims used to follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and used to obey Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) in all their affairs, Subhan Allah, Allah bestowed honour upon the Muslims. You can study Muslim history, to verify what i am saying. Muslims contributed greatly to the field of science, back then. <<
Interesting statement. But obviously there were Christian people in those times who did not agree with their governments views on Christianity, and were persecuted by those governments. Hence many of the first Europeans fled to North America to be able to worship as they saw fit.
So Yes, I do not disagree with the above statement on the state of early Christianity even though it is over simplistic.
I wont deny that the Arabs have contributed to mankind either. But in light of your statement on Muslims, and from the information available on the Taliban and their strict edicts, it seems they were more on their way to the chaos and backwardness you ascribed to early Christianity rather than contributing anything to science and prosperity for the people they wished to rule over.
Asif wrote referring to the 34 million poverty stricken US souls>>Yes, WE already knew that this number is correct, but it was someone else (i am sure you know who i am talking about) who disbelieved us. Next time, before you accuse us of lying or exaggerating, at least verify the facts. <<
I know that I must be the 'someone else' you are referring to here. I disagreed with the findings because, like Bodacious explained, poverty here is not the same as poverty elsewhere. Some of these studies are done with nothing more than a household income figure and presto......everyone whose income is at or below the average figure in their findings is described as 'living in poverty'.
I used to live below that figure. Yet I was never in want for any needs to sustain life for myself or family. In those days I was still able to provide food shelter and clothing for myself and family. Even today, depending on whose 'standards' we are talking about, it still isnt easy to be a provider since I am the sole wage earner for my household.
And in spite of all the years I worked hard to improve my situation I did not turn to the government for handouts.
So in summary, while there may well be 34 million people living in the US under a certain income level, there are ways for those people to better their situation without relying on government welfare.
Now compare this to other countries that stifle individual freedoms and limit economic opportunity and we now have multiple definitions on what is and what is not poverty.
So I found sure's information to be rather pointless in the overall course of this thread.
Bodacious
09-09-2002, 23:46
I wonder...would Asif and Lulua consider the people living in 'poverty' in America as having the same standard of living as those in Somalia?
Mardhiah
11-09-2002, 06:30
Assalamualaikum ya Muslimeen
Greeting all,
I truly agree that Islam is a cure for poverty.It is not the same as any other religions.Islam teaches more.To say curing poverty is a blanket for any religion, like what Bodacious said....well I don't think so.Initially all wealth strived by the Christians were sent to the central church in Rome.Then, the money was divided to the people for basic needs.Indeed, that wasn't enough for them
The Hindus...they live, having caste.The poor will still be poor.There is a caste called 'paria'....the pity thing about them is that they are soooo low in status until they can't even fetch water from the well.So they have to wait for someone from the higher caste to fetch water for them.
Basically, when come to curing poverty, we usually think of donating, giving out the essential things for life, providing shelters.Well if Islam is learned thoroughly, Muslims are told to do more than that.Lets say, if a person has 2 houses and he just needs one, it is better for him to run the other house to be a hotel for example.In this way, he actually contributes to a country's economy.Islam teaches how to do business, be involed in shares, setting up companies, renting, banking without inetrest and many more(which can amuse a person....at least I am).When the economy of a country is well-financed, the money then can be used to upgrade the standard of livings.
For the cure to work well, both parties need to play their parts;the rich and the poor.Living conditions can't be improved if people keep on giving and giving, when the poor will just sit there and wait for aid.Islam told Muslims to work and strive for life.Of course it is good to give.A hand that gives is better that a hand that receive.
So when a poor Muslim is given, say, food from others, he should be grateful that there is still food for a while, and for a time being, he should work to carry on with his life, not to just rely on others.
And the standard of living of two countries cannot be compared.The people in Bhutan, they lead a happy live over there but their countries' GNP is almost zero.The same GNP level as homeless and poor living in San Fransisco.Ah...there homeless people in America.Aren't they the same as the resident is Somalia? And not all Somalian are homeless.Still some of the poor in America do have homes, but I think they suffer more.Since America is developed country, there are many technological appliances like television set and computer.The poor can't afford to purchase them and that make them feel different from others.Where else, in Somalia most of them are at the same level, no presure suffered.
Anyway, it doesn't matter what a standard of living a contry is at.When we say Islam can cure poverty.Poverty here means general poverty.Let all the post here be a remainder to all the Muslims.Islam is beautiful.The Muslims need to know more about it and practice it.Hopefully, they realize that and stop putting blame on others.The mistake is actually from ourselves.
Bodacious
11-09-2002, 17:20
It is all in theory...the written word of various religions calls to help your fellow man. Whether or not anyone chooses to follow that word is up to them. Unfortunately, not enough people of ANY religion...Christians, Muslims, Jews...really follow the teachings of their 'god' strictly enough.
Anne Marie Habibi
11-09-2002, 21:44
I think the question is what does Islam do to end Poverty, Violence and Ignorance amongst all the People?
What do Muslims do to solve these problems?
We know that religious and government organizations in the West have created many things to help end Poverty Violence and Ignorance such as food banks, funding for training and daycare. Low income housing and other social programs such as well fair and pensions.
What has Islam really done?
But then the question to be answered is also are not all mankind muslim?
Afterall all our for fathers submitted themselves to Allah.
And Aallah breath the same Holy Spirtit into us all when he created us.
Maybe the question is not what muslims are doing to end poverty, violence and ignorance but what is Mankind doing to end these things?
Regardless how you look at it there are good and bad religious and non religious people.
So what are muslims doing to end poverty, violence and ignorance besides sharing the Message?
Bodacious
11-09-2002, 21:46
Good point, Anne...unfortunately, I think the world is too busy arguing over who's right and who's wrong, when they should be busy working together to end world hunger and poverty. It is my own opinion, that as long as the world has religion, we will have war.
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