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Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
An interesting article showing what direction the world is going towards, taken from the LA Times:
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Bill Would Boost Legal Standing of Prostitutes
Germany's lower house of Parliament passed a bill to boost the low legal standing of prostitutes and give sex workers the right to unemployment benefit, retraining, health insurance and a pension.
Sex workers will be legally entitled to turn away customers, refuse to perform certain sex acts and take disputes with clients over payment to court under the bill passed by the Bundestag.
Prostitution is not illegal in Germany and sex workers pay tax on their earnings, but sexual services were previously described as "immoral" in the German legal code.
Assalamualaikum
It seems that sex service is like food service. We pay for the food provided when we are hungry and consume food. And we pay for the sex provided when we need it and consume it. It depends on who is the customer could be male or female, and the provider could be male or female.
Are angels in heaven is like "sex trade"?
What suggested in Germany does make sense...
What do you think personally, sister Lulua?
Luque
(Islamic Logicist)
Luque you're being offensive with pure beings as Angels. You're warned again we don't tolerate your sarcastic and filthy language here.
Tayeb
Assalamu-alaikum.
I was reading about the mutaa' marriage or temporary marriage. Isn't this just like legalized prostitution ?
Please help a muslim brother out and give me your opinion.
Allah knows best.
islam_e_taleem
10-07-2002, 09:33
Assalam-o-Aliekum UMMAT-E-MOHAMMAD (sallalah-o-aliewasallam)
This act is extremely shameable no matter where is been done. Being a muslim we have a responsibility to strictly follow the instructions given by Allah and Muhammad (sallalah-o-aliewasallam) done the same. But this is highly shameable for every muslim that majority of muslims involved in this bad act. This is not only a responsibility of any Islamic Government but this is also a responsibility of every individual to save himself and other muslims with this shameable or highly bad act.
Allah save us.
Dr Qaisar
13-07-2002, 04:20
Wa-alaikumus-salaam, bro.iqbal99
>I was reading about the mutaa' marriage or temporary
>marriage. Isn't this just like legalized prostitution ?
>
>Please help a muslim brother out and give me your opinion.
>
>Allah knows best.
If you have read anything about 'mutaa' or the temporary marriage, then you must have also known that the provisions of 'mutaa' are no longer valid; in fact it was abolished by the Prophet (saw) himself in his own lifetime!! You will also appreciate that the Qur'an does not mention 'mutaa' anywhere and the only type of marriage that Allah has allowed is the one we all are aware of ie. the Nikah. The validity of the temporary marriage was only applicable for a very limited period during the Prophet's time under special circumstances which the early Muslims found themselves, for instance, when they had to go out for jihad for prolonged periods, away from their families and homes. And when the circumstances changed, it was completely abolished by the Prophet (SAW).
The provision of 'mutaa' as a temporary measure derived its validity by the authority of the Prophet (SAW) who was given the power and authority to legislate in all matters by Allah in cases not specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and, thus, its promulgation and subsequent abrogation by the Prophet (SAW) did not need any Qur'anic injunction or command.
Brother, I would like to draw your attention not to use terms like "legalised prostitution" with respect to a provision allowed by the Prophet (SAW) in his time, because you may not realise or appreciate this now and may find it difficult to understand why it came into being, but there was a wisdom behind it. The sahaba who went away for noble duties like jihad for the sake of Allah and who entered into temporary marriages in distant places did so only with Jewish & Christian women of those areas and not with Muslim women. Even though it was deemed to be temporary, it nevertheless, gave the married women the full and legal status of wives, as would be expected in a normal Nikah. Compare this with the then decadent tradition of treating the womenfolk of conquered territories as slaves, like the Romans, and also it being with the consent of the concerned women. It is true that many of the muslims did divorce them after returning home and this could have been one of the reasons of 'mutaa' having been abolished by the Prophet later on for fear of being misused and abused.
I hope this would help you a bit in understanding the reasons.
Wa-salaam,
Dr.Qaisar
Assalamu-alaikum.
I am sorry I do not agree with you. I do not think there is any situation where it becomes permissable to enter into a temporary relationship just to have sex. A human being is superior to an animal and therefore should be able to control his sexual urges no matter what. Does that mean that a sailor who leaves his family for 6 months at a time is allowed to visit prostitute ? Your reasoning is the same.
And if you say that the women involved were not muslims then you are committing a bigger sin. All human beings are created by Allah, we cannot say it is ok to have illegial sex with them since they are only Jews or Christians not Muslims ! What happens it they decide to convert to Islam ? Then what is the status ?
Can you please point out the exact verse where the Prophet(pbuh) banned muta-a ?
Allah knows best.
Dr Qaisar
25-07-2002, 03:39
As-salaamu-alaikum, bro.iqbal99
>
>I am sorry I do not agree with you.
It does not matter if you agree with me or not.
>I do not think there is
>any situation where it becomes permissable to enter into a
>temporary relationship just to have sex. A human being is
>superior to an animal and therefore should be able to
>control his sexual urges no matter what. Does that mean that
>a sailor who leaves his family for 6 months at a time is
>allowed to visit prostitute ? Your reasoning is the same.
Your reasoning and analogy is completely unfounded and baseless, bro. I am sorry to say, but please get your basics right. A marriage is a marriage, whether permanently solemnised in the Nikah way or as done at the time of Prophet (SAW) for a limited time in the form of 'muta', in some cases. In your above example, if the sailor visits a prostitute, he is engaging into a 'haraam' act, whether done so at the time of the Prophet (SAW) or in the present day or in future!! With a spouse, its valid and legal, whether after Nikah or when 'muta'
was made permissible by the Prophet(SAW) for a limited time.
>
>And if you say that the women involved were not muslims then
>you are committing a bigger sin. All human beings are
>created by Allah, we cannot say it is ok to have illegial
>sex with them since they are only Jews or Christians not
>Muslims ! What happens it they decide to convert to Islam ?
>Then what is the status ?
Brother, you seem to have a serious impediment to basic understanding!!! DID I NOT MENTION TO YOU THAT 'MUTA' HAD BEEN ABOLISHED BY THE PROPHET (SAW) IN HIS OWN TIME???? What on earth do you mean by "illegal sex with them since they are only Jews or Christians not Muslims"?? The 'muta' was a legal and valid form of marriage promulgated by the Prophet of Allah himself (sallallaahu-alaihi-wasallam), just like the Nikah was ordained by Allah!!! DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE PROPHET (SAW) HAD ALL THE AUTHORITY TO LEGISLATE IN ALL MATTERS GIVEN TO HIM BY ALLAH???? Therefore, who the hell are you to question the statutory authority bestowed upon the Prophet (saw) by Allah Himself??? It is not I or you who allowed this provision for a limted time in special circumstances and abolished since then!!!! And what do you mean by...."you are committing a bigger sin"???. There was no sin in 'muta'. A sin would have ocurred had there been no deed of marriage contract between the consenting spouses. Since the 'muta' was a valid marriage contract for its time, there is no question of any sin arising whatsoever!!
>What happens it they decide to convert to Islam ?
>Then what is the status ?
Another most illogical question, for a question being asked in the present tense with respect to a provision having been abolished 1400 years ago!!!!!
>
>Can you please point out the exact verse where the
>Prophet(pbuh) banned muta-a ?
Forgive me brother, but were you not paying attention to my earler post wherein I mentioned EXPLICITLY that 'muta' DOES NOT FIND ANY MENTION IN THE QUR'AN AT ALL????!!! These were my exact words....."The provision of 'mutaa' as a temporary measure derived its validity by the authority of the Prophet (SAW) who was given the power and authority to legislate in all matters by Allah in cases not specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and, thus, its promulgation and subsequent abrogation by the Prophet (SAW) did not need any Qur'anic injunction or command." Well, since 'muta' is not present in the Qur'an, then logically there would not be any verse banning it, no? There's another reason why I am asking you to get your basics right. If a verse exists in the Qur'an entailing a Command, an Injuction, a Permissibilty or a Prohibition regarding anything, then it is Allah alone who has the Sole Authority to change it or abrogate it. Not even a Prophet of Allah has the autority to do so in the least!!! Therefore, had the provision of 'muta' existed in the Qur'an, then only Allah would have the authority to abolish it by stating so in another abrogating verse. Not the Prophet (saw) in any way. The Prophet Mohammad (saw) did not ban or allow anything in the Qur'an, only Allah did!!! Please read and understand the Qur'an carefully.
Indeed, Wallaahu alam.
Wa-salaam,
Dr.Qaisar
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 25-07-02 AT 03:36 PM (GMT)]As-salaamu-alaikum Doctor,
I am sorry to see a Muslim brother like you write in such a rude and abusive manner. This is a discussion forum and we are hear to discuss, not be lectured and shouted at.
A muta'a marriage was a temporary marriage purely for the purpose of sexual satisfaction. Therefore there is no questions of rights and privlieges being given to the woman involved. Let us be honest and call a spade a spade. In a muta'a marriage, the woman would enter into a marriage contract and receive some financial compensation. Why else would the woman agree to the marriage, knowing fully well it was for a short period of time ? This is exactly the same as visiting a prostitute and paying for her services, the only difference is that the is no 'temporary contract' of marriage involved ! To deny this would be acting like the hypocrite kuffars ! Would you give your own daughter in a muta'a marriage ? I think not, since you very well know what the reason behind the marriage was !
The situation where our Muslim brothers will be away from their families for long periods of time exists even today. I gave you examples of sailors. I can also talk about our brothers who go to Middle East countries to work and remain away from their families for more than 2 years at a time. Do you think they do not have the normal sexual urges while they are away from their families ? Why should they be treated differently than our muslim brothers during the time of the Prophet (pbuh) ?
Can you please show me where in the Sunna or Hadith the prophet (pbuh)ALLOWED muta'a and where he DISALLOWED it. The Muslim belief must stem solely from the Quran and nothing which violates it can be accepted. The Quran condemns adultery and no one on earth can allow it.
Indeed, Wallaahu alam to you Sir.
Allah knows best.
Dr Qaisar
25-07-2002, 19:40
As-salaamu-alaikum, bro.Iqbal99,
>I am sorry to see a Muslim brother like you write in such a
>rude and abusive manner. This is a discussion forum and we
>are hear to discuss, not be lectured and shouted at.
I am sorry to see a Muslim not accpeting the Hadith or Sunna. Alright, I am not going to lecture you about 'muta' anymore but please read the following Ahaadith careful; they are all from Sahih Bukhari. You have made your views clear about this issue but please try to understand the ahaadith and then please comment.
>Can you please show me where in the Sunna or Hadith the
>prophet (pbuh)ALLOWED muta'a and where he DISALLOWED it. The
>Muslim belief must stem solely from the Quran and nothing
>which violates it can be accepted. The Quran condemns
>adultery and no one on earth can allow it.
Indeed, here are the various ahaadith about 'muta'; PLEASE READ CAREFULLY 1) Volume 7, Book 62, Number 51, 2) Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52 (especially this one where the Prophet (saw) had allowed it!!!) and others where he disallowed it!!!
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Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:
Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:
On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 50:
Narrated 'Ali:
I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 51:
Narrated Abu Jamra:
I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes."
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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa':
While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)."
Volume 8, Book 75, Number 342:
Narrated Warrad:
(the freed slave of Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba) Al-Mughira wrote to Muawiya bin Abu Sufyan that Allah's Apostle used to say at the end of every prayer after the Taslim, "La ilaha illa-l-lahu wahdahu la sharika lahu; lahu-l-mulk wa lahu-l-hamd, wahuwa 'ala kulli shai'n qadir. Allahumma la mani'a Lima a taita, wa la mu'ta Lima mana'ta, wa la yanfa'u dhal-jaddu minkal-jadd.
Volume 9, Book 86, Number 90:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
Nafi narrated to me that 'Abdullah said that Allah's Apostle forbade the Shighar. I asked Nafi', "What is the Shighar?" He said, "It is to marry the daughter of a man and marry one's daughter to that man (at the same time) without Mahr (in both cases); or to marry the sister of a man and marry one's own sister to that man without Mahr." Some people said, "If one, by a trick, marries on the basis of Shighar, the marriage is valid but its condition is illegal." The same scholar said regarding Al-Mut'a, "The marriage is invalid and its condition is illegal." Some others said, "The Mut'a and the Shighar are permissible but the condition is illegal."
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Volume 9, Book 86, Number 91:
Narrated Muhammad bin 'Ali:
'Ali was told that Ibn 'Abbas did not see any harm in the Mut'a marriage. 'Ali said, "Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a marriage on the Day of the battle of Khaibar and he forbade the eating of donkey's meat." Some people said, "If one, by a tricky way, marries temporarily, his marriage is illegal." Others said, "The marriage is valid but its condition is illegal."
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I hope these will satisfy you and lead to a better understanding of Islam.
Wallaahu Alam.
Wa-salaam,
Dr.Qaisar
Assalaamu alaikum.
I find that br. Dr. Qaisar has subsequently listed and quoted the related hadith on this topic...but there is something missing...and I do not know how we can better understand it, or perhaps find the answer.
And this is the thing of the date, or timing of those mentioned ahadith.
What I mean is...there is obvious evidence that muta was at one time permitted, and as well was at one time abolished and prohibited. But there is no dating on the ahadith, and no indication truly of which came first, and which followed.
How can we...or CAN we...find an answer to this?
The modern-day scholars are themselves not in agreement totally on this.
Although muta by name is most generally accepted (for those who are not shia) as being not permissable, yet there has recently emerged newer names, which are determined by the majority of scholars as permissable, of methods of marriage...which are in fact, when looked at under the microscope...so similar to the muta...that it appears only the name itself to be changed.
There is the 'mesyaar', 'dakhaly', as well as other types of currently legalized options in the marriage contract...
As well, a 'secondary' version of the muta...in which some scholars are currently ruling that it is legally permissable for a man and woman to engage into a temporary marriage...for instance if the man is going overseas for some period of time (even as short as only one month) and cannot wait till he returns to his normal wife...that as long as the woman who is involved in the second marriage has no knowledge of his intentions of marrying for only a short temporary time, then this is permissable. As well as other similar rulings on circumstances.
Anyways, I think a general rule of thumb would be best to consider for the man who is considering such an arrangement, in order to satisfy his passing physical needs and wants...even if legally...still to consider rationally and seriously...if the same question of a marriage were to be presented to him from a foreign man for his daughter or sister or other female relative of whom he is responsible...would he then be so anxious to agree to the situation? Or would he be offended by the offer and deny it?
What I mean is that it is better for the person to put the shoe on the other foot...and consider the true ramifications of it all.
For, surely, regardless of any passing physcial needs or desires, we are all to be destined to the life of the hereafter...and it is that life which we should be striving for, and not any passing pleasures of this life. Regardless if we are men or women.
Oh...and one more comment...about the muta marriage...or any other marriage arrangement for that matter...the money due to the woman is her full right from Allah...and it has no implication or similarity to that which is offered to or demanded by prostitutes. For a wife...whether in a regular marital arrangement or muta...is legal for her husband each and every time he comes to her...and the money that she receives at the signing of the marriage contract is a one-time thing...and not each and every time they have relations, as is in the case of a prostitute. There is a world of difference...and should be no confusion nor comparison.
The money of the dower due to the woman for the marriage contract is a form of insurance for her, as well as an indication of respect for her station in life. Not an offer of payment for services.
For surely the true and meaningful husband-wife relationship consists of ongoing services by one for the other...from both sides. And it is something of these services which no payment in cash or other valuables can ever match. Only subsequential and mutual reciprocation of love and admiration and respect is the resulting payment for those services.
This thread has wandered somewhat from the original post...what it was indicating was that the world is going thru some terrifically horrendous times in which governing forces around the world are going to all lengths to protect and legalize in their own environment and in their own ways, truly illegal sex trades of prostitution of all kinds.
In the US, as well as other places around the globe, it is illegal to persecute or accuse homosexuals. This practice of homosexuality is a horrendous abomination of Allah's creation of mankind. For man was created for women, as women were created for men. Each compliment and supplement and comfort one another. And it is only through the interaction of the man and woman that pro-creation of man is possible. This is the Law of Allah...the laws of nature. Look to the lower forms of animal and even plant life...you will not find homosexuality there. It is only in the perverted and distorted minds and hearts of mankind that homosexuality developed and has been nurtured...even to the extent of being protected by man-made laws.
In regards history, there is a famous quote of lesson, reminding ppl that if you do not learn the lessons of those before you (i.e. history), then you will be doomed to repeat it for yourself.
In regards this, it behooves all of us to remember the situation of Lot and his people. He warned them and reminded them time after time...but they took to practicing lewd actions in public...men upon men, and women upon women...interacting one with the other...and yet they were ultimately destroyed in torment and humility.
Regardless of how you look at it, the various forms of marriage legalized by Islam...whether or not they have since been prohibited or aboloshed (including muta)...there is no similarity to that of prostitution or other similar disgraceful forms of association. Even in the days when the muta was permitted, there were set guidelines of format to follow to make it legal. Quite a difference from present-day prostitution.
May we all be guided to that which is best.
Lulua.
Thank you Luula. You have only confirmed my views. Particularly the paragraph :
"As well, a 'secondary' version of the muta...in which some scholars are currently ruling that it is legally permissable for a man and woman to engage into a temporary marriage...for instance if the man is going overseas for some period of time (even as short as only one month) and cannot wait till he returns to his normal wife...that as long as the woman who is involved in the second marriage has no knowledge of his intentions of marrying for only a short temporary time, then this is permissable. As well as other similar rulings on circumstances".
What you have said is that it is permissible as long as the woman does not know the real intentions of the man ! So what are the real intentions of he man ? Sexual gratification and nothing less ! And what are the intentions of a man visiting a prostitute ? Sexual gratification and nothing less ! Now whether the payment is made for each encounter of paid in a lump sum, the motive does not change ! Let us not pretend to be hypocrites. Let us face the facts for what they are !
Is something is black and I call it white, it does not change it's colour. It still remains black. Same with muta'a. It still remains a foul and vile act.
Allah knows best.
Dr Qaisar
27-07-2002, 10:27
As-salaamu-alaikum, sister Lulua
>I find that br. Dr. Qaisar has subsequently listed and
>quoted the related hadith on this topic...but there is
>something missing...and I do not know how we can better
>understand it, or perhaps find the answer.
>
>And this is the thing of the date, or timing of those
>mentioned ahadith.
>
>What I mean is...there is obvious evidence that muta was at
>one time permitted, and as well was at one time abolished
>and prohibited. But there is no dating on the ahadith, and
>no indication truly of which came first, and which followed.
Sister Lulua, I am rather pleasantly surprised that you have raised the point of the dating or timing of the relevant ahaadith about 'muta'!!! But first, a general note before I proceed. It is usually not possible to give a very accurate dating of a hadith or even a verse from the Qur'an, as you would probably know, except in some cases. Even so, the question of dating a verse or hadith is generally related to some particular event or incident in the life of the Prophet (SAW) whereby the date or specifically, the year maybe known. Scholars have had differences of opinion regarding dates or years but a widely-accepted view has been possible in most cases. For instance, the year of the Battle of Badr is universally believed to be the 2nd Hijri (AH) or 624 AD and in the month of Ramadan, but the exact dates are given as 17th, 19th or 21st Ramdan, 2 A.H./March 13, 15 or 17, 624 A.D. Anyway, the exact dates are not relevant in most cases, the context is more important.
Now coming to the dating of the relevant ahaadith mentioning 'muta', specifically its prohibtion by the Prophet (SAW). If you had read the ahaadith carefully, it very specifically mentions...."ON THE DAY OF THE KHAIBAR"!!! i.e. the day of the Battle of Khaibar. Some scholars say that the battle of Khaibar took place in the 6th year Hijra but according the majority of scholars it took place in the 7th year of Hijra. In fact, the month given is Rajab in the year 7th AH corresponding to the year 628!! Another narration gives the date of Khaibar as 6 weeks after Hudaibiyah which was in the year 6 AH or 628 AD. The 7th AH is more accepted. So I ask you, sister Lulua, how more specific do you want for your date of Khaibar during which event the Prophet (SAW) banned the earlier allowed provision of 'muta'??? And obviuosly, the prophet (SAW) would have allowed 'muta' before 7th AH in 628 AD as the hadith tells us. Since the 'muta' is understood to have been allowed under very difficult circumstances, for example the war expeditions, common sense would dictate that it would probably have been allowed sometime between 2nd AH/624 AD (the first battle that the Muslims fought at Badr) and 7th AH/628 AD. There is a hadith from Sahih Muslim which states the permissibility of 'muta' in the Year of the Conquest of Mecca, but this would in conflict with the year of Khaibar. Another Hadith from Muslim mentions that it was banned in the Year of the Victory which would be 20th Ramdan, 8AH/January 11, 630 AD. And Allah knows best.
It is as follows:
Book 008, Number 3257:
'Abd al-Malik b. Rabi' b. Sabraal-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father who narrated it on the authority of his father (i.e. 'Abd al-Malik's grandfather, Sabura al-juhanni): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage in the Year of Victory, as we entered Mecce, and we did come out of it but he forbade us to do it.
>How can we...or CAN we...find an answer to this?
>
>The modern-day scholars are themselves not in agreement
>totally on this.
>
>Although muta by name is most generally accepted (for those
>who are not shia) as being not permissable, yet there has
>recently emerged newer names, which are determined by the
>majority of scholars as permissable, of methods of
>marriage...which are in fact, when looked at under the
>microscope...so similar to the muta...that it appears only
>the name itself to be changed.
>
>There is the 'mesyaar', 'dakhaly', as well as other types of
>currently legalized options in the marriage contract...
>
>As well, a 'secondary' version of the muta...in which some
>scholars are currently ruling that it is legally permissable
>for a man and woman to engage into a temporary
>marriage...for instance if the man is going overseas for
>some period of time (even as short as only one month) and
>cannot wait till he returns to his normal wife...that as
>long as the woman who is involved in the second marriage has
>no knowledge of his intentions of marrying for only a short
>temporary time, then this is permissable. As well as other
>similar rulings on circumstances.
Forgive me sister and with due respect to the scholars whom you have not mentioned by name, this is the first time I am hearing of such a thing like....."a 'secondary' version of the muta ...in which some scholars are currently ruling that it is legally permissable for a man and woman to engage into a temporary marriage"!!! The only kind of marriage permitted by Allah is the usual form of Nikah which we all know. Even if we consider your above example, the only way to marry for a person in such a sitaution would still be the Nikah method. This would not in any way entail the provisions of the previously banned 'muta'. "Muta" has been prohibited forever by the Prophet (SAW) as is absolutely made clear from many haadith. I have quoted ahaadith from Sahih Bukhari and now I will quote from Sahih Muslim, Inshaa-Allah. Especially, Book 008, Number 3262 where it clearly mentions...."Behold, it is forbidden from this very day of yours to the Day of Resurrection, and he who has given something (as a dower) should not take it back".
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Book 008, Number 3257:
'Abd al-Malik b. Rabi' b. Sabraal-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father who narrated it on the authority of his father (i e. 'Abd al-Malik's grandfather, Sabura al-juhanni): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage in the Year of Victory, as we entered Mecce, and we did come out of it but he forbade us to do it.
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Book 008, Number 3258:
Sabra b. Ma'bad reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) permitted his Companions to contract temporary marriage with women in the Year of Victory. So I and a friend of mine from Banu Sulaim went out, until we found a young woman of Banu Amir who was like a young she-camel having a long neck. We made proposal to her for contracting temporary marriage with us, and presented to her our cloaks (as dower). She began to look and found me more handsome than my friend, but found the cloak of my friend more beautiful than my cloak. She thought in her wind for a while, but then preferred me to my friend. So I remained with her for three (nights), and then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded us to part with them (such women).
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Book 008, Number 3259:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.
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Book 008, Number 3260:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade on the Day of Victory to contract temporary marriage with women. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Rabi' b. Sabra that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade to contracf temporary marriage with women at the time of Victory, and that his father had contracted the marriage for two red cloaks.
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Book 008, Number 3261:
'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair (Allah be pleased with him) stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favour of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, may peace be upon him), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it. Ibn Abu 'Amrah al-Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) said to him: Be gentle. It was permitted in- the early days of Islam, (for one) who was driven to it under the stress of necessity just as (the eating of) carrion and the blood and flesh of swine and then Allah intensified (the commands of) His religion and prohibited it (altogether). Ibn Shihab reported: Rabi' b. Sabra told me that his father (Sabra) said: I contracted temporary marriage with a woman of Banu 'Amir for two cloaks during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ; then he forbade us to do Mut'a. Ibn Shihab said: I heard Rabi' b. Sabra narrating it to Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz and I was sitting there.
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Book 008, Number 3262:
Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage and said: Behold, it is forbidden from this very day of yours to the Day of Resurrection, and he who has given something (as a dower) should not take it back.
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Book 008, Number 3263:
'Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.
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Book 008, Number 3264:
Malik narrated this hadith on the authority of the same chain of trans- witters that 'Ali b. Abil Talib said to a person: You are a person led astray; Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade us (to do Mut'a), as is stated In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Yahya b. Malik.
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Book 008, Number 3265:
Muhammad b. 'Ali narrated on the authority of his father 'Ali that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited for ever the contracting of temporary marriage and eating of the flesh of the domestic asses.
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Book 008, Number 3266:
'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) heard that Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) gave some relaxation in connection with the contracting of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Don't be hasty (in your religious verdict), Ibn 'Abbas, for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited for ever the doing of it-And eating of the flesh of domestic asses.
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Book 008, Number 3267:
'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) said to Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar forbade forever the contracting of temporary marriage and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.
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>Oh...and one more comment...about the muta marriage...or any
>other marriage arrangement for that matter...the money due
>to the woman is her full right from Allah...and it has no
>implication or similarity to that which is offered to or
>demanded by prostitutes. For a wife...whether in a regular
>marital arrangement or muta...is legal for her husband each
>and every time he comes to her...and the money that she
>receives at the signing of the marriage contract is a
>one-time thing...and not each and every time they have
>relations, as is in the case of a prostitute. There is a
>world of difference...and should be no confusion nor
>comparison.
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>The money of the dower due to the woman for the marriage
>contract is a form of insurance for her, as well as an
>indication of respect for her station in life. Not an offer
>of payment for services.
Maybe Bro.Iqbal99 should read this once more and give it a thought.
Wa-salaam,
Dr.Qaisar
Doctor,
If muta'a was still allowed today, would YOU allow your daughter to take part in a muta'a marriage for, say 3 days, like in the hadith you quoted ?
If not, why ?
Allah knows best.
Dr Qaisar
28-07-2002, 00:56
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 28-07-02 AT 00:43 AM (GMT)]Iqbal99
I will choose not to reply to your hypothetical and irrelevant questions. By the Will of Allah, I try to follow the Sunnah of Allah and the Sunnah of His Rasool (SAW). Alhamdulillah. Your questions are a waste of time.
Wallaahu alam.
Dr.Qaisar
Thank you Doctor.
From your response I can deduce that your answer is NO. I can also understand why you would not like to respond.
Allah know best.
Further to this discussion, the following article makes an interesting read.
After more than two decades of subjecting kerbcrawlers to the lash, Iran's Islamic regime is thinking the unthinkable -- in the face of an explosion of street prostitution, it is floating plans to set up state-approved "decency houses."
Conservatives, who still run the courts and security services here, have been quick to slam the proposals as anything but decent, making it far from certain they will ever be put into practice.
But the very fact that they are being openly aired in the press has shattered one of conservative Islam's strongest taboos and is the talk of every cab rank and fast-food store in this city.
The proposals being floated take advantage of a peculiar tradition of Shiite Islam, the majority sect here, which allows for "temporary marriage" or sigheh.
the full article is here .....
http://www.iranmania.com/news/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=11348&NewsKind=CurrentAffairs
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