When is Jesus coming back?

[Anne Marie Habibi]

When does Islam say Jesus is coming back?

[Anne Marie Habibi]

I understood that in the hadeath there are references to Jesus coming back and even what he will look like. Is this true?

[Yahya]

He will come Back for sure!!!
There his minor sign and major sign .He will come back from the second sky,where Allah raise Him when he was 33 years old.
He was not crucified.There a surat of the coran that I'm sure more knowledgable muslim can mention exatly.In the minor sign there is change of temperature ,hardship for muslim,injustice.
Ignorance among the muslim.
Then the Ma'hadi will come he will be from sallihin a waly Pious
muslim.There will be a big big Jihad.Then a time of abundance.
But then Daajad ,(antechrist) will come.He will proclaim himself god.Some people will worship him.
And Aisa will kill him. He will also break all the cross. That is what i'm sure i can say.

[Yahya]

Salam He have black hair that look wet but they are not wet.He have a round face like reddish taint,he's tall but close to be short.
And he like to wear black. Alayhi wa salam

[Omar]

Salam,
Jesus(PBUH) will not return. This is something that muslims have adopted from the christians. I advise everyone to go to the site www.mostmercicul.com, and read the article on the second coming of Jesus(PBUH) for more information.

[omar]

the adress is acually www.mostmerciful.com

[Anne Marie Habibi]

I believe we are the second coming of Jesus, Mohmmad Peace be upon him, moses etc. I believe we are all Prophets and the we are the ones who build peace or distroy we are responsible for for the world and our personal lives.

I believe we come after the Great Prophets of old and that we become the new day Prophets the shakers and movers of the world.

Checkout my website and let me know what you think. Many brothers and sisters have signed my guest book. You are welcome to also.


http://home.talkcity.com/SpiritCir/anna888/index.html

[Arshad]

As Salam Alaikum

Brother Omar, I remember reading some Hadith related to the Mahdi that talk about him praying with Isa (AS) in a mosque in Syria, as well as fighting against the forces of Dajjal alongside Isa (AS). And also about Isa (AS) killing the Dajjal somewhere in or around Palestine.

Or perhaps they are fabricated?

My knowledge isnt vast enough to know the exact books where the hadiths are located, but you can check in them about the hadith related to the Mahdi if you need to know more.

Wassalam

[mabouakil]

Assalamu Alaikum all:
Brother Omar, And sister Anna
We (the muslims)do not deny Ahadiths to make people happy or unhappy.Like Allah subhanahu wataalaa said :We will make him a sign of the hour.To show the Christians that they were wrong for not following us . He will kill the pig , break the Cross and pray behind Almahdee Almuntadar telling people that he did not come to change the laws of Muhammed(pbuoh).Like the prophet siad he will be (Hakaman Mukssitan) a ruler ruling with the shariaa of Muhammed(pbuoh).
So you should believe Allah when he said he willmake him a sign of the hour
And also believe the prophet aof allah in all the ahadiths Assahiha (authantic).and for further information you can read
surat annissaa(4) aya(157)
AAAAAAAAAAnd also read a beatifull book for alhafithd ibn Kathir called ( Almalahim Alkubraa) first chapter Page 182

[umm_suhayb]

LAST EDITED ON 28-07-01 AT 00:43 AM (GMT)[p]>As Salam Alaikum
>
>Brother Omar, I remember reading some
>Hadith related to the Mahdi
>that talk about him praying
>with Isa (AS) in a
>mosque in Syria, as well
>as fighting against the forces
>of Dajjal alongside Isa (AS).
>And also about Isa (AS)
>killing the Dajjal somewhere in
>or around Palestine.
>
>Or perhaps they are fabricated?
>
>My knowledge isnt vast enough to
>know the exact books where
>the hadiths are located, but
>you can check in them
>about the hadith related to
>the Mahdi if you need
>to know more.
>

Assalam alaykum,
Brother Arshad,
The Descension of Jesus is well authenticated by numerous sayings of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wassalam...And there had been an ijma' ulama on this issue so there should be no Doubt or whatsever...To disbelieve with this authentic hadith and ijma' is amount to kufr..

From Bukhari
Narrated Abdullah

The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, Allah is not one eyed while Messsiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape. While sleeping near the Ka'ba last night, I saw in my dream a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, 'Who is this?' They replied, 'This is Jesus, son of Mary.' Behind him I saw a man whohad very curly hair and was blind in the right eye, resembling Ibn Qatan (i.e. an infidel) in appearance. He was placing his hands on theshoulders of a person while performing Tawaf around the Ka'ba. I asked, 'Who is this? 'They replied, 'The Masih, Ad-Dajjal.' "

From Bukhari
Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

wassallam
Umm Suhayb

[Anne Marie Habibi]

Thank you brother I will try and get that book and I will read that Surrah thanks

[umm_suhayb]

Bismillah




Assalam alaykum,
Could someone shed some light on this hadith.....This hadith indicated that Dajjal make tawaf around the ka'ba...what this hadith, the dream of rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wassallam, supposed to mean?


>From Bukhari
>Narrated Abdullah
>
>The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal
>in front of the people
>saying, Allah is not one
>eyed while Messsiah, Ad-Dajjal is
>blind in the right eye
>and his eye looks like
>a bulging out grape. While
>sleeping near the Ka'ba last
>night, I saw in my
>dream a man of brown
>color the best one can
>see amongst brown color and
>his hair was long that
>it fell between his shoulders.
>His hair was lank and
>water was dribbling from his
>head and he was placing
>his hands on the shoulders
>of two men while circumambulating
>the Kaba. I asked, 'Who
>is this?' They replied, 'This
>is Jesus, son of Mary.'
>Behind him I saw a
>man whohad very curly hair
>and was blind in the
>right eye, resembling Ibn Qatan
>(i.e. an infidel) in appearance.
>He was placing his hands
>on theshoulders of a person
>while performing Tawaf around the
>Ka'ba. I asked, 'Who is
>this? 'They replied, 'The Masih,
>Ad-Dajjal.' "
>
>

[jcecil3]

I did not know that Islam had any traditions regarding the second coming of Jesus. I learned something here.

Christians believe that Christ will return again one day.

[vancouver]

According to the book of Revelation Jesus cleaned up the heavens by ousting satan and his demons out to the vicinity of the earth.:-

Revelation 12:7-16 ***

7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi'cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."

13 Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent disgorged water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16 But the earth came to the woman's help,

That happened in 1914(this had been worked out 37 years before 1914 from the prophesies in the books of Daniel and Revelation). That was the start of Christs second coming or presence. Eventually the earth also is to be cleaned up and the Devil abyssed for a thousand years while mankind(those left plus the resurrected ones)are reconciled to God and the resurrected ones are taught the truth if they died ignorant of God and his purposes. The thousand years is the judgement day and the rule by Jesus Christ.

[jesusfreak4life]

As a follower of Christ, I do believe He will SOMEDAY return.

Matthew 24 1:35 states the signs of the end of the age.
Verse 6- You will hear of wars and rumors of wars...
Verse 9- Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Verse 11- and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Verse 27- For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Verse 31- And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Verse 33- Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it(he) is near, right at the door.
Verse 34- I tell you the truth, this generation(race) will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Verse 35- Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
Matthew 24:36-44
Verse 36- No knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son(some manuscripts do not have NOR THE SON), but only the Father.
Verse 37- As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Verse 42- Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Verse 44- So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect him.

That is the NIV.
So you see only God knows;there are signs, but all of us must be ready.
I know this is pretty long. But I don't know if you or whoever reads this has a bible.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS:nenadee42@yahoo.com
I'll try to answer them; I'm not a scholor or anything.
I'm still a junior in highschool, I don't have so much time as some as you to look up things or whatever.

Don't "forget" to post this.
In His Mercy
Dee

[Tita]

Actually, He will come twice, once in the Rapture and once at the end of the Tribulation.

I, too, had no idea that Muslims believe that Jesus will return. Wow.

[JBJ]

Could you explailn how you find 1914 out of Daniel? Or, a source telling where?

Thanks

JBJ

[vancouver]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 28-03-02 AT 01:20 AM (GMT)]Greetings

The prophesy concerning 1914 from the book of Daniel. It is rather extensive but well worth the read. It was based on one of Nebuchadnezzar's dreams. Daniel told him the meaning of it and gave us a major fulfilment of it.


Unraveling the Mystery of the Great Tree

JEHOVAH allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to become a world ruler. As Babylon's monarch, he had great wealth, a sumptuous table, a grand palace-everything he desired in a material way. But suddenly he suffered humiliation. Becoming mentally deranged, Nebuchadnezzar acted like a beast! Driven away from the royal table and the imperial residence, he lived in the fields and ate grass like a bull. What led up to this calamity? And why should it concern us?-Compare Job 12:17-19; Ecclesiastes 6:1, 2.


THE KING MAGNIFIES THE MOST HIGH

2 Shortly after his recovery from that complete mental collapse, Nebuchadnezzar sent throughout his realm a remarkable report of what had occurred. Jehovah inspired the prophet Daniel to preserve an accurate record of these events. It begins with these words: "Nebuchadnezzar the king, to all the peoples, national groups and languages that are dwelling in all the earth: May your peace grow great. The signs and wonders that the Most High God has performed with me, it has seemed good to me to declare. How grand his signs are, and how mighty his wonders are! His kingdom is a kingdom to time indefinite, and his rulership is for generation after generation."-Daniel 4:1-3.

3 Nebuchadnezzar's subjects were "dwelling in all the earth"-his empire embracing most of the world of Bible record. Regarding Daniel's God, the king said: "His kingdom is a kingdom to time indefinite." How those words magnified Jehovah throughout the Babylonian Empire! Moreover, this was the second time that Nebuchadnezzar had been shown that the Kingdom of God alone is eternal, standing "to times indefinite."-Daniel 2:44.

4 What "signs and wonders" did "the Most High God" perform? These began with the king's personal experience related in these words: "I, Nebuchadnezzar, happened to be at ease in my house and flourishing in my palace. There was a dream that I beheld, and it began to make me afraid. And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me." (Daniel 4:4, 5) What did the Babylonian king do about this disturbing dream?

5 Nebuchadnezzar summoned Babylon's wise men and told them the dream. But how they failed! They were totally unable to provide an interpretation. The record added: "At last there came in before me Daniel, whose name is Belteshazzar according to the name of my god and in whom there is the spirit of the holy gods; and before him I said what the dream was." (Daniel 4:6-8) Daniel's court name was Belteshazzar, and the false deity that the king called "my god" may have been either Bel or Nebo or Marduk. Being polytheistic, Nebuchadnezzar viewed Daniel as one in whom there was "the spirit of the holy gods." And because of Daniel's position as prefect over all of Babylon's wise men, the king referred to him as "the chief of the magic-practicing priests." (Daniel 2:48; 4:9; compare Daniel 1:20.) Of course, faithful Daniel never abandoned the worship of Jehovah to practice magic.-Leviticus 19:26; Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

AN IMMENSE TREE

6 What was the content of the Babylonian king's frightening dream? "Now the visions of my head upon my bed I happened to be beholding," said Nebuchadnezzar, "and, look! a tree in the midst of the earth, the height of which was immense. The tree grew up and became strong, and its very height finally reached the heavens, and it was visible to the extremity of the whole earth. Its foliage was fair, and its fruit was abundant, and there was food for all on it. Under it the beast of the field would seek shade, and on its boughs the birds of the heavens would dwell, and from it all flesh would feed itself." (Daniel 4:10-12) Reportedly, Nebuchadnezzar was fond of the great cedars of Lebanon, went to see them, and had some brought to Babylon as lumber. But he had never beheld anything like the tree seen in his dream. It occupied a prominent position "in the midst of the earth," was visible earth wide, and was so fruitful that it provided food for all flesh.

7 There was much more to the dream, for Nebuchadnezzar added: "I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, look! a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens themselves. He was calling out loudly, and this is what he was saying: 'Chop the tree down, and cut off its boughs. Shake off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage. Let the beast flee from under it, and the birds from its boughs. However, leave its rootstock itself in the earth, even with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field; and with the dew of the heavens let it be wet, and with the beast let its portion be among the vegetation of the earth.'"-Daniel 4:13-15.

8 The Babylonians had their own religious concept of good and evil spirit creatures. But who was this "watcher," or sentinel, from heaven? Called "a holy one," he was a righteous angel representing God. (Compare Psalm 103:20, 21.) Imagine the questions that must have plagued Nebuchadnezzar! Why chop this tree down? What good is the rootstock restrained from growth by bands of iron and of copper? Indeed, what purpose is served by a mere stump?

9 Nebuchadnezzar must have been completely mystified as he heard the watcher's further words: "Let its heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast be given to it, and let seven times pass over it. By the decree of watchers the thing is, and by the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind." (Daniel 4:16, 17) The rootstock of a tree does not have a human heart beating inside it. For that matter, how can the heart of a beast be given to a tree's rootstock? What are the "seven times"? And how does all of this relate to rulership in "the kingdom of mankind"? Surely Nebuchadnezzar wanted to know.

BAD NEWS FOR THE KING

10 Upon hearing the dream, Daniel was momentarily astonished, then fearful. Urged by Nebuchadnezzar to explain it, the prophet said: "O my lord, may the dream apply to those hating you, and its interpretation to your adversaries. The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong . . . , it is you, O king, because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth." (Daniel 4:18-22) In the Scriptures, trees can symbolize individuals, rulers, and kingdoms. (Psalm 1:3; Jeremiah 17:7, 8; Ezekiel, chapter 31) Like the immense tree of his dream, Nebuchadnezzar had "grown great and become strong" as the head of a world power. But "rulership to the extremity of the earth," involving the whole kingdom of mankind, is represented by the great tree. It therefore symbolizes Jehovah's universal sovereignty, particularly in its relationship to the earth.-Daniel 4:17.

11 A debasing change was in store for Nebuchadnezzar. Pointing to this development, Daniel added: "Because the king beheld a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens, who was also saying: 'Chop the tree down, and ruin it. However, leave its rootstock itself in the earth, but with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field, and with the dew of the heavens let it become wet, and with the beasts of the field let its portion be until seven times themselves pass over it,' this is the interpretation, O king, and the decree of the Most High is that which must befall my lord the king." (Daniel 4:23, 24) Surely courage was needed to give the powerful king that message!

12 What would befall Nebuchadnezzar? Imagine his reaction as Daniel added: "You they will be driving away from men, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will come to be, and the vegetation is what they will give even to you to eat just like bulls; and with the dew of the heavens you yourself will be getting wet, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it." (Daniel 4:25) Apparently even Nebuchadnezzar's court officials would 'drive him away from men.' But would he be cared for by compassionate herdsmen or shepherds? No, for God had decreed that Nebuchadnezzar would dwell with "the beasts of the field," eating vegetation.

13 Just as the tree was cut down, Nebuchadnezzar would be toppled from world rulership-but only for a time. Daniel explained: "Because they said to leave the rootstock of the tree, your kingdom will be sure to you after you know that the heavens are ruling." (Daniel 4:26) In Nebuchadnezzar's dream the rootstock, or stump, of the felled tree was allowed to remain, although it was banded so that it would not grow. Similarly, the "rootstock" of Babylon's king would remain, though banded from flourishing for "seven times." His position as world ruler would be like the banded tree stump. It would be kept safe till seven times had passed over it. Jehovah would see to it that during that period nobody would succeed Nebuchadnezzar as Babylon's sole ruler, although his son named Evil-merodach may have carried on for him as acting ruler.

14 In view of what was foretold concerning Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel courageously urged: "Therefore, O king, may my counsel seem good to you, and remove your own sins by righteousness, and your iniquity by showing mercy to the poor ones. Maybe there will occur a lengthening of your prosperity." (Daniel 4:27) If Nebuchadnezzar would turn away from his sinful course of oppression and pride, perhaps this would change matters for him. After all, some two centuries earlier, Jehovah had determined to destroy the people of Assyria's capital, Nineveh, but he did not do so because its king and his subjects repented. (Jonah 3:4, 10; Luke 11:32) What about proud Nebuchadnezzar? Would he change his ways?

THE DREAM'S INITIAL FULFILLMENT

15 Nebuchadnezzar remained proud. Walking about on the palace roof 12 months after his tree dream, he boasted: "Is not this Babylon the Great, that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?" (Daniel 4:28-30) Nimrod had founded Babylon (Babel), but Nebuchadnezzar gave it splendor. (Genesis 10:8-10) In one of his cuneiform inscriptions, he brags: "Nebuchadrezzar, King of Babylon, the restorer of Esagila and Ezida, son of Nabopolassar am I. . . . The fortifications of Esagila and Babylon I strengthened and established the name of my reign forever." (Archaeology and the Bible, by George A. Barton, 1949, pages 478-9) Another inscription refers to about 20 temples that he renovated or rebuilt. "Under Nebuchadnezzar's rule," says The World Book Encyclopedia, "Babylon became one of the most magnificent cities of the ancient world. In his own records, he rarely mentioned his military activities, but wrote of his building projects and his attention to the gods of Babylonia. Nebuchadnezzar probably built the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World."

16 Boast though he did, proud Nebuchadnezzar was about to be humiliated. Says the inspired account: "While the word was yet in the king's mouth, there was a voice that fell from the heavens: 'To you it is being said, O Nebuchadnezzar the king, "The kingdom itself has gone away from you, and from mankind they are driving even you away, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will be. Vegetation they will give even to you to eat just like bulls, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it."'"-Daniel 4:31, 32.

17 Nebuchadnezzar promptly lost his reason. Driven away from mankind, he ate vegetation "just like bulls." Out among the beasts of the field, he certainly was not sitting idly in the grass of a virtual paradise, enjoying refreshing breezes daily. In modern-day Iraq, where Babylon's ruins are located, temperatures range from a high of 120 degrees Fahrenheit [50°C] in the summer months to well below freezing in wintertime. Unattended and exposed to the elements, Nebuchadnezzar's long, matted hair looked like eagles' feathers and his uncut fingernails and toenails became like birds' claws. (Daniel 4:33) What humiliation for this proud world ruler!

18 In Nebuchadnezzar's dream, the great tree was felled and its stump was banded to prevent growth upward for seven times. Similarly, Nebuchadnezzar "was brought down from the throne of his kingdom" when Jehovah struck him with madness. (Daniel 5:20) In effect, this changed the king's heart from that of a man to that of a bull. Yet, God reserved Nebuchadnezzar's throne for him until the seven times ended. While Evil-merodach possibly acted as the temporary head of government, Daniel served as "the ruler over all the jurisdictional district of Babylon and the chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon." His three Hebrew companions continued to share in administering that district's affairs. (Daniel 1:11-19; 2:48, 49; 3:30) The four exiles awaited Nebuchadnezzar's restoration to the throne as a sane king who had learned that "the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it."

NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S RESTORATION

19 Jehovah restored Nebuchadnezzar's sanity at the end of seven times. Then acknowledging the Most High God, the king said: "At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up to the heavens my eyes, and my own understanding began to return to me; and I blessed the Most High himself, and the One living to time indefinite I praised and glorified, because his rulership is a rulership to time indefinite and his kingdom is for generation after generation. And all the inhabitants of the earth are being considered as merely nothing, and he is doing according to his own will among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth. And there exists no one that can check his hand or that can say to him, 'What have you been doing?'" (Daniel 4:34, 35) Yes, Nebuchadnezzar did come to realize that the Most High is indeed the Sovereign Ruler in the kingdom of mankind.

20 When Nebuchadnezzar returned to his throne, it was as though the metal bands around the dream tree's rootstock had been removed. Concerning his restoration, he said: "At the same time my understanding itself began to return to me, and for the dignity of my kingdom my majesty and my brightness themselves began to return to me; and for me even my high royal officers and my grandees began eagerly searching, and I was reestablished upon my own kingdom, and greatness extraordinary was added to me." (Daniel 4:36) If any court officials had despised the deranged king, now they were "eagerly searching" for him in complete subservience.

21 What "signs and wonders" the Most High God had performed! It should not surprise us that the restored Babylonian king said: "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, am praising and exalting and glorifying the King of the heavens, because all his works are truth and his ways are justice, and because those who are walking in pride he is able to humiliate." (Daniel 4:2, 37) Such an acknowledgment, however, did not make Nebuchadnezzar a Gentile worshiper of Jehovah.

IS THERE SECULAR EVIDENCE?

22 Some have identified Nebuchadnezzar's madness with lycanthropy. Says one medical dictionary: "LYCANTHROPY . . . from [ly'kos], lupus, wolf; [an'thro·pos], homo, man. This name was given to the sickness of people who believe themselves to be changed into an animal, and who imitate the voice or cries, the shapes or manners of that animal. These individuals usually imagine themselves transformed into a wolf, a dog or a cat; sometimes also into a bull, as in the case of Nebuchadnezzar." (Dictionnaire des sciences médicales, par une société de médicins et de chirurgiens, Paris, 1818, Volume 29, page 246) The symptoms of lycanthropy are similar to those of Nebuchadnezzar's demented state. Since his mental illness was divinely decreed, however, it cannot specifically be identified with a known disorder.

23 Scholar John E. Goldin*** cites several parallels to Nebuchadnezzar's madness and restoration. For instance, he states: "A fragmentary cuneiform text apparently refers to some mental disorder on Nebuchadnezzar's part, and perhaps to his neglecting and leaving Babylon." Goldin*** cites a document called "The Babylonian Job" and says that it "testifies to chastisements by God, illness, humiliation, seeking interpretation of a terrifying dream, being thrown over like a tree, being put outside, eating grass, losing understanding, being like an ox, being rained on by Marduk, nails being marred, hair growing, and being fettered, and then to a restoration for which he praises the god."

SEVEN TIMES THAT AFFECT US

24 As represented by the great tree, Nebuchadnezzar symbolized world rulership. But remember, the tree stands for rulership and sovereignty far grander than that of Babylon's king. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, "the King of the heavens," especially with respect to the earth. Before Jerusalem's destruction by the Babylonians, the kingdom centered in that city with David and his heirs sitting on "Jehovah's throne" represented God's sovereignty with reference to the earth. (1 Chronicles 29:23) God himself had such sovereignty chopped down and banded in 607 B.C.E. when he used Nebuchadnezzar to destroy Jerusalem. Exercise of divine sovereignty toward the earth by a kingdom in the line of David was restrained for seven times. How long were these seven times? When did they begin, and what marked their end?

25 During Nebuchadnezzar's madness, "his very hair grew long just like eagles' feathers and his nails like birds' claws." (Daniel 4:33) This took longer than seven days or seven weeks. Various translations read "seven times," and alternatives are "appointed (definite) times" or "time periods." (Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32) A variant of the Old Greek (Septuagint) reads "seven years." The "seven times" were treated as "seven years" by the first-century Jewish historian Josephus. (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 10, Chapter 10, paragraph 6) And certain Hebrew scholars have viewed these "times" as "years." "Seven years" is the rendering in An American Translation, Today's English Version, and the translation by James Moffatt.

26 Evidently, Nebuchadnezzar's "seven times" involved seven years. In prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each. (Compare Revelation 12:6, 14.) So the king's "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days. But what about the major fulfillment of his dream? The prophetic "seven times" lasted much longer than 2,520 days. This was indicated by Jesus' words: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." (Luke 21:24) That 'trampling' began in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was destroyed and the typical kingdom of God ceased to function in Judah. When would the trampling end? At "the times of restoration of all things," when divine sovereignty would again be manifested toward the earth through symbolic Jerusalem, the Kingdom of God.-Acts 3:21.

27 If we were to count 2,520 literal days from Jerusalem's destruction in 607 B.C.E., that would bring us only to 600 B.C.E., a year having no Scriptural significance. Even in 537 B.C.E., when the liberated Jews were back in Judah, Jehovah's sovereignty was not manifested on the earth. That was so because Zerubbabel, the heir to David's throne, was made not king but only governor of the Persian province of Judah.

28 Since the "seven times" are prophetic, we must apply to the 2,520 days the Scriptural rule: "A day for a year." This rule is set out in a prophecy regarding the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem. (Ezekiel 4:6, 7; compare Numbers 14:34.) The "seven times" of earth's domination by Gentile powers without interference by God's Kingdom therefore spanned 2,520 years. They began with the desolation of Judah and Jerusalem in the seventh lunar month (Tishri 15) of 607 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25:8, 9, 25, 26) From that point to 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. The remaining 1,914 years stretch from then to 1914 C.E. Thus, the "seven times," or 2,520 years, ended by Tishri 15, or October 4/5, 1914 C.E.

29 In that year "the appointed times of the nations" were fulfilled, and God gave rulership to "the lowliest one of mankind"-Jesus Christ-who had been considered so base by his foes that they even had him impaled. (Daniel 4:17) To enthrone the Messianic King, Jehovah loosened the symbolic iron and copper bands around the "rootstock" of his own sovereignty. The Most High God thus allowed a royal "sprout" to grow from it as a manifestation of divine sovereignty toward the earth by means of the heavenly Kingdom in the hands of David's greatest Heir, Jesus Christ. (Isaiah 11:1, 2; Job 14:7-9; Ezekiel 21:27) How we thank Jehovah for this blessed turn of events and for unraveling the mystery of the great tree!

Regards

vancouver

[Rasha]

The coming of Jesus is one of the signs of the nearing of end of time :)

There is a lot of reasons why the coming of Jesus is needed. We also believe in the anti christ coming and all that... so... shows more similarities...indeed its needed if the religions are from the same source...

:)

[vancouver]

>The coming of Jesus is one of the signs of the nearing of
>end of time :)
>
>There is a lot of reasons why the coming of Jesus is needed.
>We also believe in the anti christ coming and all that...
>so... shows more similarities...indeed its needed if the
>religions are from the same source...
>
>:) Most of the information dealing with Christ's return is found in the book of Revelation. He is referred to there as the Arch-angel Michael, his heavenly name.

All the best

vancouver

[Rasha]

Muslims believe that there IS an angel called Mickael or meka'eel or however u want to spell it... but this is not referring to Jesus!

[vancouver]

Greetings

Revelation 12:7-10 ***

7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi'cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night.

This was in part fulfillment of Gen 3:15(the first prophesy of God).


All the best

vancouver

[Rasha]

this doesn't say Jesus is an angel called Micha'el!!

[jcecil3]

Greetings!

Rasha: Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox Christians all agree that Jesus is not Michael the archangel. There is no textual support for such a statement, as you correctly point out.

Vancouver is a Jehovah's Witness, and they call themselves Christians, but make up less than one percent of the population who call themselves Christian (but a very vocal minority).

Vancouver: Please feel free to correct me if I say any of this incorrectly...

The JW's appeared on the seen in history in the early part of the 20th century, and saw themselves as a restoration of true christianity that would save the 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelations. The JW's were growing fast until a number of prophecies made by their leaders did not pan out the way their followers expected.

Like Muslims, the JW's do not accept the doctrine of Trinity, yet they wish to follow the Bible.

In order to do this, they reinterpret all passages refering to Christ's pre-existence before his earthly birth, or refering to Christ as God to make them say Christ is "a god" who is a lesser than "the God".

They also deny that all passages refering to the Holy Spirt make the H.S. a "person", and argue that the H.S. is a force emanating from "the God" (whose name is "Jehovah" according to them).

In order to make all of this work, they posit that Jesus and the archangel Michael are one and the same being, but they are not Jehovah.

In some cases, their translation of certain NT words and texts are questioned by many Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians who can read the Greek.

From a Muslim perspective, the JW's are similar to y'all in that they deny the divinity of Christ, and assert that Jehovah alone is the one creator God. Their literature is also fiercly anti-Catholic, condemning the pope, asking saints to pray for us, purgatory, use of statues, etc...

However, the JW's are different from Muslims in that they believe in many lesser gods to Jehovah, and they believe that Jesus/Michael is more than merely human and died on the cross for our salvation. Also, they do not believe in hell. When a person dies who is evil, they simply cease to exist.

It is not clear to me how an angel dying on the cross is salvific, since my belief is that is that if it were not the God-man who died on the cross, the cross cannot have universal human significance.

An individual who is not the God can only save himself by becoming a martyr, not others. And, if it were even possible for a non-God martyr to save others, an angel can only save angels, not humans. I also don't understand what we are being saved from if there is no possibility of hell. Nor do I understand how we truly have free will if the possibility of eternally rejecting God is not admitted (which is what hell is). So the JW theology does not make a whole lot of sense to me. But now I leave the floor to Vancouver to answer that....

Peace and Blessings!
jcecil3

[vancouver]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 03-04-02 AT 11:21 PM (GMT)]Hi Rasha

If you read it with the context of Genesis chapter 3 and verse 15 and believe that the seed refers to Jesus(Messiah)and that Jesus got bruised in the heel at his sacrificial death and then it says that the seed(Jesus)will bruise Satan in the head. It is apparent that Jesus Christ is the one that was given the priviledge of ousting Satan from heaven and also later will be the one to abyss Satan for a thousand years and eventually completely destroy him. Revelation shows that it was Michael who took the lead in ousting Satan from heaven. So Michael must be the seed who is Jesus Christ.

I have just read what the other 'christians' have said about my beliefs. Christendom have made a mockery of the bible. If there was such a place as fiery hell then the Catholics and Protestants would be guaranteed a place there for themselves and those they have converted into their apostate beliefs. They have changed with the times their moral code and now they readily accept immorality including homosexual marriages, living together without being married, need I go on. If Jesus was Michael as he is then they know that the trinity is a lie. I have seen what Christendom has done to the world. Aids is rampant in Africa due to the laxness of both the Catholic and Protestant leaders there who have given no guide to the masses there. They have allowed murders and have even taken part in atrocities. These very ones then have the cheek to insult those who have strived to read the bible and then gradually grasp the truth of what God is saying. They never went in with any preconceived ideology but learnt the truth and eventually learnt that the 144,000 is a government in the heavens designed to rule over the great crowd of earthly subjects. The government is made up of people from the earth who have been chosen by Jesus Christ. Those who are to live forever on the earth do not feel robbed in any way of not being chosen as kings and priests in that heavenly government. The bible also indicates strongly that it is only a minority that are going to gain salvation. Maybe it won't be much more than 1% of the population. How many were saved in Noah's day? This idea of a God capable of allowing people to burn forever in a place called hell is crazy. The worst punishment he gives is death(the wages of sin is death). Death is a state of non-existence. That would be a just punishment. For in reality one could reason 'I did not ask to be born'. Freedom of choice for us means either life or death and not life or life.

By the way I have spent quite a lot of time in Vancouver, Toronto and other parts of Canada.

All the best

vancouver

[vancouver]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 04-04-02 AT 00:33 AM (GMT)]Greetings jcecil3

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All the best

vancouver

[Ruqayyah]

Assalamualaikum all Muslims and Muslimaats:
Hi to the non-muslims:

I'm sorry I reply late
Yes,the date and time of when Isa AS will return is unknown.Only Allah SWT knows.But he should be coming when Qiamah (Day of Judgement) is very,very near.That is when the world ends.And yes,Qiamah will come.

1.036.053 It will be no more than a single Blast, when lo! they will all be brought up before Us!

2.010.051 "Would ye then believe in it at last, when it actually cometh to pass? (It will then be said): 'Ah! now? and ye wanted (aforetime) to hasten it on!'

010.052 "At length will be said to the wrong-doers: 'Taste ye the enduring punishment! ye get but the recompense of what ye earned!'"

The return of ISA AS will mean that Qiamah is very near.He will kill Dajjal.And the return of Isa AS is mentioned in a Hadith of Rasulullah SAW,included in the 10 big signs of Day of Judgement(this is especially to Brother Omar).

I can't seem to find the Hadith in the net.And I don't have an English Hadith textbook.(Mine is Arabic).

Wassalam.

[vancouver]

>this doesn't say Jesus is an angel called Micha'el!!

I have some more information about the Arch-angel Michael:-

MICHAEL

(Mi'cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].

The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called "archangel." (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as "one of the foremost princes"; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by "the prince of the royal realm of Persia." Michael was called "the prince of [Daniel's] people," "the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel's] people." (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that "Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses' body."-Jude 9.

Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God's Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be "the archangel," meaning "chief angel," or "principal angel." The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with "a commanding call." It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation "archangel" applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to "an archangel's voice" would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.

There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to "the time of the end" (Da 11:40) and then stated: "And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel's] people." (Da 12:1) Michael's 'standing up' was to be associated with "a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time." (Da 12:1) In Daniel's prophecy, 'standing up' frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah's appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har-Magedon.-Re 11:15; 16:14-16.

The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God's Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: "And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: 'Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.'" Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the "time of distress" that is associated with Michael's standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.

In his prehuman existence Jesus was called "the Word." (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), "the Word" shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) "The Word of God" (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, "Who Is Like God?" points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator.

Hope this helped.


God's blessing by with you


vancouver

[Ruqayyah]

Vancouver:
Your post is something new.I do know about Mikail and all I know is that he is one of Allah's angels that we Muslims have to know.Well we have to know 10 of their names:Jibrail, Mikail, Israfil, Izrael, Munkar, Nakir, Raqib, Atid, Malik, Ridhwan.But there are lots and lots of them.Only Allah knows how many are them all.And we have to believe there are angels.

*** Surah 082 (IL-INFITAAR) : Ayahs 010-012

082.010 But verily over you (are appointed angels) to protect you,-

082.011 Kind and honourable,- Writing down (your deeds):

082.012 They know (and understand) all that ye do.

Back to Mikail:

He is an Angel,assigned by Allah to care for the falling of rain and also Rezeki (I think in English..it's like...well,money,success..rewards from Allah in this world).Anybody with better vocabulary..please help me.

I don't know anything about Mikail being Jesus..or anything.That's all.

Wassalam.

[Rasha]

:)

Ruqayya tell us more on the other angels...do u know about Atid, Raqib, Israfil?? I don't know these.. I really want to know.

as for their numbers... i heard that there is not an inch in the sky but there is an angel prostrating himself to Allah. There are 7 heavens! So go figure! And there are more who are standing and more prostrating, and more bowing etc. I also know there are some holding the Throne of Allah, some are going up and down from and to earth and sky carrying our records twice a day. hmm.. there are some in the graves, some in paradise and some taking care of hell. Each human being have two accompaning angels... hmmm.... i'm sure there are more. Allah knows how many.
:)

as for Mikail... he is in charge of rizq which is sustinance (Which like u said includes ur share from the wealth, food, etc that u get on this earth!) And rain.

Mikail is not Jesus Ruqayya... but vancouver believes it is. However, i never heard of such thing in islam.

:) wassalamu alikom

[Ruqayyah]

Assalamualaikum Rasha and all of my sisters and brothers:

:) This is a request from Sister Rasha.More about the 10 Angels.

Each of them have their own jobs in which Allah has assigned for them. Angels are created from Nur (light).There are alot of them.We,as Muslims have to believe in their existence.However we have to know the names of 10 of the Angels.

Jibrail AS-The Angel who sent messages from Allah to His Messengers: Anbiya' wal Mursalin.He is very big and tall with wings of more than 10 000 (Hadith).

*** Surah 053 (AN-NAJM) : Ayahs 006-007

053.006 Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);

053.007 While he was in the highest part of the horizon
(This was how Prophet Muhammad PBUH saw him)

Now we cannot start to imagine him. We cannot picture his wings like those cartoon-angels with white robes and white,feathery wings and a golden halo above his head.His exact appearance is unknown to us.Our minds cannot go that far.I hope you will understand.

Jibrail is the leader of all angels.During the Day of Judgement,Allah will also allow him to give Syafaat to others,and he is the first to give this Syafaat among all the angels.

2.Mikail-The Angel who is assigned to take care of rain and sustinence (thank you Rasha for the word! ^-^).

002.098 Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and apostles, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith.

3.Israfil-The Angel who will blow the Trumpet during the Day of Judgement.

After the first blow,every creature will die.He will blow again,and
then,every creature will live again,moving to the Mahsyar and the Hisab (count).Every of their deeds in the previous world (earth) will be counted by Allah,and every of their deeds will be rewarded by Allah's justice.Heaven for the ones who succeed,Hell for those who ignore Allah's Onness.

4.Izrail-The Angel who will take away peoples' lives

*** Surah 032 (AS-SAJDA) : Ayah 011

032.011 Say: "The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall ye be brought back to your Lord."

He will surely come to you and me one day.To those who did good deeds in his life,he will come as the most pleasant man,with the most pleasant smile.But if the person is the opposite,he will come as the most angry man.It will be the most terrifying moment for that person.Wanauzubillahiminzalik.

5 and 6.Munkan and Nakir:The Angels who will ask a person about what he did while he lives.

7.Raqib:The Angel on your right shoulder,who records your good deeds

8.Atid:The Angel on your left shoulder,who records your bad deeds

With one INTENTION of doing good,one good deed is recorded by Raqib AS. One intention of doing bad,will not be recorded untill it is done by Atid AS.Allah,innahu Ghafir.

9.Malik:The Angel who guards Hell.

He doesn't smile.

10.Ridhwan:The Angel who guards Heaven

He greets everyone with,"Salamun Qaulam-Min Rabbi-Rrahim".

Every Angel obeys Allah with very much obidience.They don't have nafs (desire). They do not eat or drink. They are not females or Allah's daughters.

*** Surah 032 (AS-SAJDA) : Ayah 011

032.011 Say: "The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall ye be brought back to your Lord."

I guess that is all,sister Rasha and everyone.:)

Wassalam
Ruqayyah Ramli

[JaLaaL]

Salaam Sis Ruqayah,

Just one comment about your post....I know that most muslims call the Angel of death, Izrail(as) (we Turks call it Azrail(as)), but it is stated by the most scholars of Islam that in fact the name of the Angel of Death is not known and is nowhere stated (not in the Quran and in the Sunnah).


Another note is that there are four great Angels of Allah(swt):
-Djebrail(as),
-Mikail(as),
-Israfil(as),
-The Angel Of Death(as).

And a lot of other Angels are working in their order.

[Rasha]

Assalamu Alikom Ruqayya...

Jazaky Allah khairan but hoping someone could help a bit in some issues....

I do understand that our minds are very limited to imagine many things. I read in a book once that the angels are so huge, the distance between an earlope and the shoulder is the same as the walking distance of 70 years!!!! SubhanaAllah.

Well this is not what matters... I just needed to know what they do which u gave Jazaky Allah khairan.

You mentinoed that Jibreal will give "Syafaat"! What is that? Is this Arabic word???

;) you are welcome for the word habeebtee... my pleasure.

ohh yea.. Israfil... now i remember. The one with the horn held tight looking upon Allah and waiting for the order to call for judgment. :)

:)
just a correction of ur pronounciation dear... its Mahshar no Mayhsyar the sound is sh not s.

:) Raqib and Atid... hmm... my two friends. Ok. I didn't know their names. Jazaky Allah khair.

I heard that Malik is the most fearse (is that how its spelled?!!) of all angels... because those who are in hell will be scared of him so much as to increase their punishment.

:) I hope we all meet Rydwan one day. Ameen. I love the greeting (another new info for me)...

but again pronounciation is: Salamu Qawlan min rabbin Rahim - notice Qawlan not Qaulam.

Jazaky Allah khairan Ruqayya...

:)

salam

[Rasha]

Jazak Allah khair akhee Jalal...

:)

I didn't know the fact that the angel of death's name is not known. This is interesting.

and i liked one more thing... u know how u wrote Djibrail :) well when reciting Quraan... the Jeem is pronounced as if there is a D in there right?? I guess that's why you wrote it that way.

I'm still learning so it is always fun to understand about things now that u know why they are that way :)

Jazak Allah khair akhee.

salam

[Ruqayyah]

testing..

[jesusfreak4life]

It's strange how quickly we look away from Christ to angels.
The whole topic is on the return...then about Michael; who cares.
No angel died on the cross for us.

Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
Love ya' all.
I'm from Texas k?

[jcecil3]

Greetings Jesusfreak4life!

Agreed.

Angels are non-coporeal beings. An angel cannot have a body, and therefore could not die on the cross.

But even if an angel could die on a cross, such an act would have absolutely no significance to humanity. It could only be salvific for angels, if it were salvific at all.

Furthermore, when a being is martyred, be it human or angel, martyrdom is only meritorious for the martyr. The Bible and the Qur'an both seem to affirm this.

Therefore, if Jesus did die on the cross (which the Bible affirms, but the Qu'ran denies), his death means nothing salvific to me personally unless he is both human and God!

Only a human person's death can have any human significance whatsoever. And only God's actions can have any universal human significance.

If Jesus was only human, and not God, his death on the cross only has meaning for him, and means nothing to me other than a possible example.

But, if Jesus was truly man and truly God, his death has human meaning due to his humanity, and universal significance due to his divinity. Therefore, the cross means absolutely nothing -- zilch -- nada -- unless Jesus is both true God and true man and really died on that tree!

Who cares about angels dying on crosses...Agreed!

Peace and Blessings!
jcecil3

[Ruqayyah]

Asslamualaikum Sister Rasha and everyone!

Allah...believe it or not..I typed a whole long list about Syafaah..and then accidentally hit Reset..my mouse is not working that well..

Okay...then..

First of all,sister Rasha,I am very,very sorry I reply late. Also,I would like to wish you a very warm welcome as an IWC Moderator.:)

Syafaah basically means 'help from one to another'.

During the Day of Judgement when people have to wait in the Mahsyar, with the sun a foot above their heads, and a day seems like a thousand years, they will plead and ask for help from the anbiya' wal mursalin to ask for from God to speed up this waiting and just proceed to the hisab (count).

Our prophet PBUH will be the first man to ask this help from Allah S.W.T and he will be the first man to receive it too. He will use this syafaah to speed up the waiting in Mahsyar, and proceed to the hisab.

But Allah still being the Most Merciful,the Most Gracious,will continue to bless his beloved Prophet PBUH and gives him the permission to use this syafaah again. Rasulullah SAW will use this Syafaah on his ummah and give them the chance to escape Hisab and just proceed to Shirat (bridge which lies over Hell), and head straight to Heaven.About 70 000 of his ummah will receive this syafaah, and they are the great muslimins and muslimats with Iman so strong and firm. Let us hope we will be in this group, Ameen.

I mentioned earlier Rasulullah SAW will be the first man to get the syafaah,but Allah,with His mercy,will also give the other prophets (anbiya' wal mursalin) this syafaah to be used on their ummah. It will also be given to the angels, ulama, syuhada', the great mukminin wal mukminat, was- shalihin was-shalihaat,those who read the Quran and understand it,and practice it,and teach it,and learn it,those who fast.

Jibrail AS with receive the first syafaah among all the other angels.

Syafaah is basically Tawheed,and sometimes Tawheed can be rather confusing.I hope Allah will forgive me if I made mistakes in trying to explain,but I hope too you will understand my simple explanation here.

:)

That is all,sister Rasha.I'm sorry again for the late reply. *hugs you*. Welcome again.

Wassalam.

[Rasha]

Assalamu alikom Sis... Jazaky Allah khairan for the welcome and all..

But.. i am confused....

:)

Well first yea I do understand what u were trying to say dear... alhamdulillah i spent a while studying the mahshar etc.

Jazaky Allah khairan for the reminder... I have never heard of Gabriel needed a shafa'a however..... he has no sins why would he need shafa'a.

Just wanted to make clear some things dear:

syafaah = shafa'a in Arabic (to interceed for others)
Mahsyar = mah-shar
hisab = account/judgement
Shirat = Sirat
Syuhada'a = shohada'a
mukminin = mu'minin
mukminat = mu'minat
was-shalihin = was-salihin (please please please say this at least right.. with the h after the s it makes a totally different word and it is lol..... one that they for sure will not get shafa'a.:) )

I think I will check about angels... I have never heard it dear... where did u hear this?

Thank you dear.... <hugs>

wassalamu alikom

[Ruqayyah]

Waalaikumsalam sis Rasha

I mean when Gabriel received the syafaah,he will use it on others,I think. To help others. And it's stated in my Tawheed text book. :)

Ruqayyah!

[Ruqayyah]

And sorry about the wrong spellings.