God

[Netcurtains]

"
When he prepared
the heaven, I was present with him; and
when he prepared his throne upon the
winds: and when he strengthened the
clouds above; and when he secured the
fountains of the earth: and when he
strengthened the foundations of the earth:
I was by him, suiting myself to him, I
was that wherein he took delight; and
daily I rejoiced in his presence continually.”
(Prov.ch8: v27-30)

... is very odd indeed - don't assume you know it
all.

[Netcurtains]

Who is this one with god?
There appears to be two other aspects making three in all:
1) "Female" Wisdom (Prov. Ch 8 V1-V11)
2) A "Carpenter" (Prov. Ch 8 V30)

[Netcurtains]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-04-02 AT 08:10 PM (GMT)]Hi Vancouver,
I couldn't read your last message but I guess you posted it on ADVFN.
Look, i'm trying to do some COMPARATIVE research (I think that is allowed) into aspects of Trinity and Unitarians.

You have all read my END OF THE WORLD thread where I said the bible long livers all died out after 2006 years and a new reign of man was ushered in.

However the "TRIPLETS" that started this NEW mankind - (Shem Ham Japheth) weirdly I can't find anywhere in the bible to say they died. They just seemed to vanish. Can you help me? What happened to them?

I've done a search in Google "death of shem" etc but come up with nothing. What happened to them?

Are they triplets or did Noah have three wives? If they are triplets - were they identical "twins" or normal "twins"?

Any info much appreciated.

What does the Koran say happened to them?


Cheers Netty.

[Rasha]

What's the question???!! Who are u talking about?? what does the quraan say about what??!

[Netcurtains]

what does the qur'an say happened to Shem Ham Japheth.
how long did they live? When did they die? Where did they die?
did they die? were they triplets?

[Rasha]

well.... I certainly have not heard of them yet... or maybe I did but we call them something different.... tell me a bit of the story i might know who u are talking about...

[Netcurtains]

In the Torah or Bible the list of Long Lived people comes to an end with the death of Noah. All the other long lived people had a FIRST son, Noah had "TRIPLETS" (I say triplets because they were all born the same year). They are Noahs Sons. These TRIPLETS appear to be the fathers of Modern Mankind.

Old Mankind came to an end with the birth of triplets.

[Sadiq]

Netty! I have heard of this...

I was reading a 'q&a' site, quite long ago!
This link, might help you!

> http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1478

Ill try and get more info..!

Sadiq

[Netcurtains]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-04-02 AT 09:10 PM (GMT)]Thanks - its good confirmation.

Also in the Bible the Ark has three floors.

The ONLY animals and people SAVED were in a boat that had three layers (but only one ark). In the flood story in the Qu'ran does the ark have three levels?

There are obviously lots of "threes" in the torah - do Jews or Muslims see any importance attached to three or is three just a random number?

[Rasha]

Jazak Allah Sadiq and thans NutCurtains for bringing this up... i didn't know about Nuh's three sons... quite interesting...anyways... as for the ark of Nuh... I know there were levels... i'm not sure how many....

do muslim emphasize any numbers....hmm..... I think I heard that we prefer odd numbers! Muslims is that true? I know my friend used to tell me... don't eat 2 dates eat three... or not four eat 5, also we end our prayers for the day with the extra 3 prayers (Witr). hmm...i do not believe numbers really have any importance.... that would be intersting to find out. :)

[Netcurtains]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 13-04-02 AT 07:43 PM (GMT)]Hi Rasta,
Thanks for that. You think "Numbers are not important as far as you know" (not your words but your thoughts). A small insight for you. I am a computer programmer. Everything you write here is fundamentally "understood" and translated by computers as numbers (normally Binary arithmetic). Numbers do have some significance (not sure how much). One whole book of the Torah (old testament) is called "The Book Of Numbers".

Continuing my deconstruction/reconstrunction of my own religion (as of course you have to before you can move onto another). I have not reached very far (page 10 of Genesis).

Now after Noah the next "notable" is Abram. Of course the name of God is sometimes known as Allah and perhaps sometimes known as Elah? (this is all from my head - no offence meant at all). The Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians often view God in relation to a tree. Elah I think means OAK? Genesis Ch13 v18 "Then Abram moved his tent, and went and dwelt by the terebinth trees of Mamre" (oak trees). Tell me, is this event significant in the Islamic faith? Does anyone know if its significant in Christianity? It reads to me as if it is significant.
Is the word Elah related in any way with the word Allah (no offence meant)?

Its interesting, we've got to page 10 and I think all three main Judiac religions are in agreement. I wonder on which page we will begin to disagree with the words. I suspect it is not going to be far from this point.

Interesting this all takes us back to page one. If God (Elah) is in some way represented by a Tree then Adam and Eve were in some way, by eating the fruit, trying to be Gods or God like? But I digress - The Terebinth Trees of Mamre - are they significant in your religion is my real question?

[Rasha]

Hello Nutcurtains....
Well... When I spoke of numbers.. u know well I meant islamicly numbers dont have much significance..... i mean not a specific number.... we pray 2 rak'at, 3 rak'at, 4 rak'at... so what? There is no significance to these... we pray 5 times a day... so what? So in fact, there is not a specific number which seems to appear mostly or something.

you are a computer programmer well... i'm studying computer programming :) So.. I do know about numbers in computers!

As for the word Allah and Elah... Elah means God Al in arabic refers to THE. Thus, Al-Elah will be THE God, The Name Allah means The one and only God. :)

We don't see god related to a tree at all..... He is not related to anything He created.

In Arabic Elah is not an OAK!! if it is in another language.. God knows... but in Arabic it means God.

I do not know of Abram and the tents or trees u mentioned. Someone else will have to speak here.

as for judaic religoins being in agreement... we have all mentioned it time and again... we muslims believe all judaic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are from the same God. The only difference is that christianity and Judaism, with time, got tempered with and had something changed in them.... thus we can't rely on them fully... where as the Quraan, the last revelation from God has stayed like it is since the time the prophet received it. Thus it is the only exact word of God.... and we take our guidance from it.

So no wonder u will find agreement between the religions... if u read the bible, torah and quraan on ur own.. u will see the agreement... its when the priests and rabbis start explaining things that everything goes messed up. They inroduce trinity, and what not... where as if u read into the text exactly you won't find these confusions and everything will fit in perfectly.

As for Mamre trees or what not... again I do not know. The trees that are mentioned in the Quraan which I know of are... Olive trees, hmm.. Teen! What is that in english now! :) umm.... trees in hell are mentioned.... tress in heavens are described.... the tree Mary sat under was a date tree... yea date trees are mentioned.... hmmm.... i do'nt know of Terebinth trees... :)

Maybe Br. Sadiq or someone else knows... :) Nutcurtains.. where do u bring ur interesting topics from...lol.... its just little things that i personally do not think of... :)

[Netcurtains]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 13-04-02 AT 09:36 PM (GMT)]http://198.62.75.1/www1/ofm/mad/discussion/078discuss.html
I'm not sure if this story is important but it moves on to something where the religions do digress.

Elah has more then one meaning - but one meaning is Oak. And why not?http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/CONHEB42.htm#S424

Reading a bit further - it is also the female form of the word for oak.

In pre-Judiac times people often used to worship Trees. In the UK there is a tradition called "The Green Man". This goes back to Celtic times. Images of this "Green Man" are otften found on ancient churches and cathedrals.

Yes Judiac religions - all similar but all different. The earliest is based in Ethiopia. The Jews there only use the FIVE BOOKS of Moses. After these Jews came the Hebrews - they added all the prophets. After the Hebrews came the Christians. After the Christians came the Muslims. After the Muslims came the Mormons and others. All the Judiac religions from the oldest (The Ethiopians) to the newest (Mormons) all are happy with the first FIVE BOOKS. So we must start here, and only here before we move on (if indeed we need to move on at all).

[Rasha]

NutCurtains... this is in other religions... what matters is.. what does islam say about these??!!!

[Asif]

Assalamu Alaikum

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Wassalam,
Asif.