'Tawheed' - Oneness of God

[BinZiad]

i found this interesting article, that should help us here, i hope others with more knowledge also reply...

BinZiad
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The Importance of 'Tawheed' - Oneness of God

Question:
Why does Islam stress so much on the belief in one God only?

Answer:

The Islamic stress on the belief in one God only is because of the simple fact that there is absolutely no reason to believe in more gods than one. Belief in one God is a matter of necessity, as there is no other satisfactory explanation for our own existence or for that of whatever surrounds us in this world[1]. It is, in fact, in search of an explanation for our own existence and for that of whatever surrounds us that we believe in the existence of an unseen God. Our belief in one god provides us with a comprehensive answer for our search. Once we discover the unseen God, there is absolutely no reason to carry on searching for more gods than one.

Thus, the Qur'an has rejected polytheism[2] simply on the basis that there is absolutely no reason to believe in more gods than one. The Qur'an (Al-Anbiyaa 21: 24) says:

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Do they hold other gods besides Him? [O Prophet,] tell them: 'Bring your evidence [for believing in more gods than one].

The whole universe is clearly a work, a production and a management of a single mind. There is nothing in the physical world, which leads us to believing in the existence of a second or a third god. Even the apparently opposing phenomena in the world combine to form unblemished harmony and a sweet rhythm. Although the skies, the earth, the moons and the stars, are independent entities and one may be driven by the apparent diversity and variety in them to consider them the production of different architects, yet they all combine together to form a single system, in which each is playing its allotted role. The scorching heat of the summers and the chilling cold of the winters may by its apparent variation draw one to believe in ascribing seasons to different gods, yet with the advancements of our knowledge of the physical world, we know today that the change in seasons is only a result of the systematic movements of the celestial bodies. Likewise, the variation in the phenomenon of life and death can lead us to ascribe the two to different powers, yet a closer look at the two would show that, under the present physical setup, death is essential for the sustenance of life itself.

The Qur'an has pointed toward the various aspects of the physical world, of life and death and of man's inherent belief in the oneness of God and has rejected the idea of plurality of the deity, as completely baseless and without any foundation at all. Al-Namal 27: 60 - 64 says:

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[Ask them: Are these false gods worthier of your worship and reverence] or Him, Who created the heavens and the earth and sent down water from the skies for you, bringing forth gardens of delight? Try as you may, you cannot cause such trees to grow. Is there another god, besides the one God? Yet they are a people, who ascribe equals to Him.

[Are these false gods worthier of your worship and reverence] or Him, Who has established the earth and has watered it with running rivers, Who has set mountains upon it and has placed a barrier between the two seas? Is there another god, besides the One God? Indeed most of them do not know.

[Are these false gods worthier of your worship and reverence] or Him, Who answers the distressed, when he cries out to Him and relieves [him] from his afflictions? It is He, Who made you successors of the earth. Is there another god, besides the One God? How little do you reflect.

[Are these false gods worthier of your worship and reverence] or Him, Who guides you in the darkness of the dry lands and the seas and sends the winds as a sign of His mercy? Is there another god, besides the One God? He is absolutely clear of their polytheistic ascriptions.

[Are these false gods worthier of your worship and reverence] or Him, Who initiates creation and shall repeat it and Who blesses you through the heavens and the earth? Is there another god, besides the One God? Say to them: 'Bring your evidence, if you are truthful'.

Thus, according to the Qur'an, when God alone is the planner, the creator, and the sustainer of whatever enjoys existence, as is clearly evidenced by the magnificent coherence in the physical world, then why should any one ascribe to the belief of more gods than one[3]?

Besides the evidence of the physical world, another important aspect of the stress on the oneness of God is that throughout the history of man, whenever God spoke to man, He commanded him to refrain from ascribing partners or equals to Him. Through Moses (pbuh), God directed the Israelites:

You shall fear the LORD your God; him alone you shall worship; to him you shall hold fast (Deuteronomy 10: 20)

According to the Gospel of Mark:

One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' (Mark 12: 28 - 30)

Through Muhammad (pbuh), God declared:

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And your God is One God; there is no other God, except Him - mercy abundant, mercy eternal.

When there is neither any physical evidence to believe in more gods than one nor has God Himself authorized such a belief, then there is absolutely no reason to ascribe to the belief of more gods than one.

It is primarily because of the complete lack of any plausible argument in favor of the existence of other deities as well as the lack of authorization from God to the effect, that religions claiming to be divine hold ascribing false partners to God, as a blasphemy against God and thus, an unforgivable sin.

One of the reasons given by the Torah for the gravity of the crime of ascribing false partners to the One God, is that it challenges the honor of God. Our God is an honorable God. He does not like to share our reverence and worship with false productions of our own minds. When He alone is the source of all the blessings that we enjoy in life, then He alone should be the target of all our gratitude, reverence and worship. Exodus 20: 3 - 6 says:

You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. (Exodus 20: 3 - 6)

The Qur'an (Al-Mu'minoon 23: 117) declares:

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And whoever calls upon another deity besides the One God, having no evidence for it, he shall be held accountable for it, by his Lord. Indeed such rejecters shall not prosper.

Another reason, which seems quite apparent, for the unforgivable nature of the sin of ascribing false partners to God is that even though man can have a plausible excuse for the most heinous of crimes that he may have committed - He may have been driven by extreme anger, while killing another person; he may have been overcome by uncontrolled emotions, while committing fornication; he may have been overpowered by his self-interests, while taking an unjust decision - yet it is obvious that he cannot have any such excuse for ascribing partners to God. According to the Qur'an, ascribing partners to God is a case of clear transgression against God, for which man does not have any excuse. Thus, the Qur'an unequivocally declares that God may forgive any sin for whomsoever He decides, yet He shall never forgive the sin of ascribing partners to Him, unless the person truly repents and corrects his behavior, during his life. Al-Nisaa 4: 48 says:

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Indeed God shall not forgive that partners be ascribed to Him; besides this, He may forgive anything for whomsoever He wills. And whoever ascribes partners to God, is guilty of a great injustice.

I hope this helps.

[vancouver]

Yes he is one God who had no beginning and will have no end. :-

The Person Identified by the Name. Jehovah is the Creator of all things, the great First Cause; hence he is uncreated, without beginning. (Re 4:11) "In number his years are beyond searching." (Job 36:26) It is impossible to place an age upon him, for there is no starting point from which to measure. Though ageless, he is properly called "the Ancient of Days" since his existence stretches endlessly into the past. (Da 7:9, 13) He is also without future end (Re 10:6), being incorruptible, undying. He is therefore called "the King of eternity" (1Ti 1:17), to whom a thousand years are but as a night watch of a few hours.-Ps 90:2, 4; Jer 10:10; Hab 1:12; Re 15:3.

Despite his timelessness, Jehovah is preeminently a historical God, identifying himself with specific times, places, persons, and events. In his dealings with mankind he has acted according to an exact timetable. (Ge 15:13, 16; 17:21; Ex 12:6-12; Ga 4:4) Because his eternal existence is undeniable and the most fundamental fact in the universe, he has sworn by it in oaths, saying, "As I am alive," thereby guaranteeing the absolute certainty of his promises and prophecies. (Jer 22:24; Zep 2:9; Nu 14:21, 28; Isa 49:18) Men, too, took oaths, swearing by the fact of Jehovah's existence. (Jg 8:19; Ru 3:13) Only senseless ones say: "There is no Jehovah."-Ps 14:1; 10:4.

Descriptions of his presence. Since he is a Spirit beyond the power of humans to see (Joh 4:24), any description of his appearance in human terms can only approximate his incomparable glory. (Isa 40:25, 26) While not actually seeing their Creator (Joh 1:18), certain of his servants were given inspired visions of his heavenly courts. Their description of his presence portrays not only great dignity and awesome majesty but also serenity, order, beauty, and pleasantness.-Ex 24:9-11; Isa 6:1; Eze 1:26-28; Da 7:9; Re 4:1-3; see also Ps 96:4-6.

As can be noted, these descriptions employ metaphors and similes, likening Jehovah's appearance to things known to humans-jewels, fire, rainbow. He is even described as though he had certain human features. While some scholars make a considerable issue out of what they call the anthropomorphological expressions found in the Bible-as references to God's "eyes," "ears," "face" (1Pe 3:12), "arm" (Eze 20:33), "right hand" (Ex 15:6), and so forth-it is obvious that such expressions are necessary for the description to be humanly comprehensible. For Jehovah God to set down for us a description of himself in spirit terms would be like supplying advanced algebraic equations to persons having only the most elementary knowledge of mathematics, or trying to explain colors to a person born blind.-Job 37:23, 24.

The so-called anthropomorphisms, therefore, are never to be taken literally, any more than other metaphoric references to God as a "sun," "shield," or "Rock." (Ps 84:11; De 32:4, 31) Jehovah's sight (Ge 16:13), unlike that of humans, does not depend on light rays, and deeds done in utter darkness can be seen by him. (Ps 139:1, 7-12; Heb 4:13) His vision can encompass all the earth (Pr 15:3), and he needs no special equipment to see the growing embryo within the human womb. (Ps 139:15, 16) Nor does his hearing depend on sound waves in an atmosphere, for he can "hear" expressions though uttered voicelessly in the heart. (Ps 19:14) Man cannot successfully measure even the vast physical universe; yet the physical heavens do not embrace or enclose the place of God's residence, and much less does some earthly house or temple. (1Ki 8:27; Ps 148:13) Through Moses, Jehovah specifically warned the nation of Israel not to make an image of Him in the form of a male or of any kind of created thing. (De 4:15-18) So, whereas Luke's account records Jesus' reference to expelling demons "by means of God's finger," Matthew's account shows that Jesus thereby referred to "God's spirit," or active force.-Lu 11:20; Mt 12:28; compare Jer 27:5 and Ge 1:2.

[jcecil3]

Greetings!

Christians do believe that there is only one God. The one God is revealed in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Peace and Blessings!
jcecil3

[vancouver]

The Father(no beginning)Almighty.
The Son(first creation by God also called a mighty god but not Almighty God).
The holy spirit(emanates from God as his directive dynamic force).

No suggestion that these are all God. Holy spirit has no personality of its own. The Son of God had a choice of whether to follow Satan and be bad or follow his creator and be good. He followed the creator and after giving his life has been elevated to a superior position but still inferior to God. If the Son had followed Satan he would now be facing destruction and we would be in a hopeless position. Jesus did have free choice and we should be grateful that he made the right choice. That is why it is said(by Jesus himself)that only God is good. God is the only one that it would have been impossible for him to be bad.

[BinZiad]

>Greetings!
>
Peace to you and to everyone!!

>Christians do believe that there is only one
>God. The one God is revealed in three persons: Father, Son,
>and Holy Spirit.
>
>Peace and Blessings!
>jcecil3

But the thing that i dont get it is the following, i was just thinking after looking at your message...

God created time and space, he cannot be inside time or space, and nothing cannot bind him. The unlimited cannot be limited. You have to get it straight, that many have said, can god do everything?...NO, God can do everything and anything that HE 'intends'....there is a difference...

If god was able to do everything, can he forget? For he is perfect and he cannot.

If god was able to perform everything, can he make mistakes? For god is absolute...

So...God can do anything and everything THAT he INTENDS. And to make a claim, that if he can do everything, than why cant he be a human?...time and space are his creation and they cannot bind him. He cannot be taken into being dependant from being independant. So...your concept of God, and three is a bit tricky for me and i think, we are on the same road, yet we are on a different highway/motorway...

BinZaid, sharing some words....busy..!

[vancouver]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-03-02 AT 01:18 AM (GMT)]Greetings

When I was a child my mother used to ask me "What is the one thing that God cannot do"? I said "Surely he can do anything". She said "There is one thing that God cannot do". So I said "Tell me mother, what is the answer to your riddle"? She answered me "God cannot lie".

So if God says that he is God Almighty and there is no other Almighty God I have to believe him and realise that the teaching of a trinity is false and misleading.

Best regards and God be with you

vancouver

[Sadiq]

Salam to all!

>> Agree with you both!!

Now; Exposition of the Belief of a muslim (the last words are very true, but read all of it..)

Allah is not a body possessing form, nor a substance restricted and limited: He does not resemble other bodies either in limitation or in accepting division.

He is not a substance and substances do not reside in Him; He is not a quality of substance, nor does a quality of substance occur in Him.

Rather, He resembles no existent and no existent resembles Him. Nothing is like Him and He is not like anything. Measure does not bind Him and boundaries do not contain Him. Directions do not surround Him and neither the earth nor the Heavens are on different sides of Him.

Truly, He is controlling the Throne in the manner in which He said and in the sense in which He willed - in a state of transcendence that is removed from parallel and touch, residence, fixity of location, stability, envelopment, and movement.

The Throne does not support Him, but the Throne and those who carry it are supported by the Subtleness of His Power and are constrained by His Firmness. He is above the Throne and Heavens and above everything to the limits of the earth with an aboveness which does not bring Him nearer to the Throne and the Heavens, just as it does not make Him further from the earth.

Rather, He is Highly Exalted above the Throne and the Heavens, just as He is Highly Exalted above the earth. Nevertheless, He is near to every entity and is "nearer to the worshipper than his juggler vein" and He witnesses everything since His nearness does not resemble the nearness of bodies, just as His Essence does not resemble the essence of bodies.

He does not exist in anything, just as nothing exists in Him: Exalted is He that a place could contain Him, just as sanctified is He that no time could limit Him.

For, He was as before He had created time and place, and just as He was, He is now. He is distinct from His creatures through His attributes. There is not in His Essence any other than Him, nor does His Essence exist in any other than Him.

He is Exalted from change and movement. Substance does not reside in Him and the quality of substance do not befall Him. Rather, He is in the attributes of His Majesty beyond cessation. And He is in the attributes of His Perfection. He is not in need of an increase in perfection. In His Essence, His Existence is known by reason (in this life).

He is Knowledgeable of all the known, encompassing all that happens in the depths of earth to the highest heavens. He is Knowledgeable in which there is not an atom that escapes His Knowledge in heaven and earth.

Rather, He knows the stamping of the black ant upon the solid rock in the darkest night. He perceives the movement of a particle of dust in mid-air. He knows the secrets and that which is more hidden.

He is the Overseer of the whispering of the self and the flow of thoughts, and the most deepest concealment of the selves.

With a knowledge which is ancient from eternity and by which He has not ceased to be described through the ages.

Not by a knowledge which is subject to updating by occurring and circulating in His Essence.

He is the Willer of all existence and the Planner of all contingent things. There is nothing that occurs in His visible or invisible world except by His prior planning and His execution whether it is little or plenteous, small or large, good or evil, benefit or harm, belief or unbelief, gratitude or ingratitude, prosperity or loss, increase or decrease, obedience or disobedience all is according to His Wisdom and Will, what He wills occurs and what He does not will does not occur. There is not a glance of the onlooker nor a stray thought that is not subject to His Will.

He is the Creator at first, the Restorer, the Doer of whatsoever He wills. There is none that rescinds His command, and none that supplements His decrees, and there is no escape for a worshipper from disobeying Him, except by His Help and Mercy, and none has power to obey Him except by His Will. Even if mankind, jinn, angels, and devils were to unite to try to move the weight of an atom in the world or to render it still, without His Will they would fail.

His Will subsists in His Essence amongst His Attributes. He has not ceased to be described by it from eternity, willing, - in His Infinity - the existence of the things at their appointed time which He has decreed. So they come into existence at their appointed times as He has willed in His Infinity without precedence or delay. They come to pass in accordance with His Knowledge and His Will without variation or change.

He directs matters not through arrangement of thought and awaiting the passage of time, and so no affair occupies Him from another affair

He - the Most High - is the Hearer, the Seer. He hears and sees.

No audible thing, however faint, escapes His Hearing, and no visible thing, however minute, is hidden from His Sight.

Distance does not prevent His Hearing and darkness does not obstruct His Seeing. He sees without a pupil and eyelid, and hears without the meatus and ears, as He perceives without a heart, and seizes without limbs, and creates without an instrument, since His attributes do not resemble the attributes of the creation, and as His Essence does not resemble the essence of creation.

[Dr Qaisar]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 05-04-02 AT 11:47 PM (GMT)]Greetings, Vancouver


>
>So if God says that he is God Almighty and there is no other
>Almighty God I have to believe him and realise that the
>teaching of a trinity is false and misleading.
>
>Best regards and God be with you
>
>vancouver


BRAVO!! Vancouver.

You are close. More on this, perhaps, later, God-Willing. In the meantime, Christians, take heed!!




Dr.Qaisar

[JaLaaL]

Salaam Alaikum,

Say there are 100 gods. I think that everybody would agree with me that these gods all expect from you to believe and worship them.

Can someone "love" all these gods equally ? - Think about the aya in the Quran about a man can have four women. What does the Quran say about this situation ? (Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire...)

What would happen then when someone should love 27 of the 100 gods more than the other ones ?

21:22. If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been ruin in both!...


So logically seen, it's not wise to believe in more than one (perfect)creator.

[Netcurtains]

If you only believe in one god then surely you must only have one day a week (only joking). What will happen to Thursday (THOR) of Wednesday (WODEN) or Tuesday (TIW) of Friday (FREYA). You must loose all your weeks.

The curious thing about the Latin names, clearly using the planets, is that the ancient order of the planets, rising from the Earth to the Fixed Stars, can be read off by starting with Monday and jumping every other day for two weeks: Monday (Moon), Wednesday (Mercury), Friday (Venus), Sunday (Sun), Tuesday (Mars), Thursday (Jupiter), and Saturday (Saturn). One is left with the impression that the names were assigned in a kind of code, so that the Sun would come first in the week, but then the true order of the planets could be read off nevertheless. Saturn comes both at the end of the week and at the end of planets. The day that many people consider to the the 1st day of the week, Monday, is the first planet and does begin the sequence of planets.

Moon means SIN in Babylonian. We start the week in sin and end it with the SON (all right a play on words - or is it?)

[JaLaaL]

?

[Netcurtains]

http://www.friesian.com/week.htm

[JaLaaL]

I dont see any relation between your post and the topic.

[Netcurtains]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 06-04-02 AT 01:52 PM (GMT)]Is one day better then another?

Depending apon what people mean by god then obviously I believe in one god to more or less an infinite number of gods. It really depends on your definition of what constitutes a god. If you can give me a "general" definition of god rather then the particular god (Allah or Jesus) then perhaps we can take this discussion further. I seriously struggle with the word 'god' - what does it mean?

As you might know - my belief is weak and I like to use "science" to back it up. The current scientific explanation is based on the eleventh Dimension added in with a bit of "super-strings" and "heavy gravity". The concept bought down to its "most basic" is this:

Two objects or minds collide and they create a third - an explosion - an almost spiritual event. If there was ONENESS of ASPECT it would be like a ONE HANDED CLAP? How would the universe come into existance?

[Rasha]

NutCurtain...

are you one man or three? I guess one. Ok... can you get a piece of play dow and make a toy house with it? Sure you can. All alone??? Would it be impossible? NO. This is how it goes.. God is one... he created us all.... what's hard about it. He didn't need a ghost, a son and himself to create the earth... just like u didn't need ur wife and son to create the toy house!

Well this is the way i personally reason it. it seems just logical!

:)

Good luck finding your way to truth NutCurtains... keep learning you'll get there if u have a sincere intention to get there. And ask questions... I am sure all our brothers and sisters here would be more than happy to help.

Here is a recommendation for everyone: http://english.islamway.com/scholars.php

You can check out the lectures in english.... they might give u some interesting things to learn about. I was intentionally looking for one lecture called Is There a God? by Abdul Rahman Green except they do not have it online... but u might find similar things there. I hope u find it useful.

peace

[Rasha]

Here is a good tape to listen to:

http://www.islamway.com/eng/html/scholarlessons.php?scholar_id=7
http://www.islamway.com/eng/html/lessons.php?lesson_id=39&scholar_id=5

and there are tones more.... u can check and listen.

peace to all

[Netcurtains]

But there was no play doh in the beginning (or anything). There was nothing.

The way the universe came into existance (most up to date theory) is that two "bodies" or "brains" collide and at the point of contact a THIRD comes into existance. I guess like a family.

Therefore, if both science is correct and religion is correct, there would appear to be three aspects to god. I'm off to buy this weeks edition of the "New Scientist".

http://www.newscientist.com/

[Netcurtains]

This weeks addition has as its main article:

"THROW AWAY YOUR OLD CONCEPTS OF LOGIC".

[Rasha]

God was all alone. HE was not created. God was always there, will always be!

Ok? He was forever...and will be forever.... He decided to create everything... and he did create it from nothing.

[Netcurtains]

what did he do before creation?

[Rasha]

NutCurtains...

what difference does it do for you what God did before?? It's his business not urs. Anyways i thought this link will interest you since u like science so much!

http://www.ummah.net/harunyahya/evol/evol.html

[Rasha]

By the way NutCurtain.... where did the two brains come from?? What did they do before they bang into each other? Who created them?? But there was nothing!!!!

:)

See...if u believe that God is the Almighty who says to something be and it is... then He can simply say to the earth be and it will be. No need to actually "bang" into anything!

anyways... the site i posted is good for ya. later

[Rasha]

Ohh just keep in mind....if u said to someone long time ago anything about the rotation of the sun, they would have said its a lie!! Science changes, the truth can't change. The quraan has always said the sun rotates... no one believed it did they?? Well till science finally discovered it.

So similarly.. the way science explains the creation is by the big bang theory.... but... maybe 100 years from now... they will come up with a totally new theory... truth can't keep shifting NutCurtain.. truth is truth... truth is stable! truth doesn't change! And this is why muslims refuse to "modernize" their religion. It is excelent for any time, any place, any person... no matter what. THIS is called truth (or at least i believe so.. u might not agree... but this is just my opinion).

later (for real now)

[Netcurtains]

Hi,
the fault in your 'logic'. If god needs no creator then obviously neither does the universe (using the same logic).

I am a believer in god by the way.

[Rasha]

no this doesn't make sense... GOD! Is the almighty.. he can't have a creator.. but the universe is not almighty... if the universe came with no creator... i'd worship the universe too!

[vancouver]

Greetings Rasha

God is almighty and he can do miracles but when creating the universe he didn't use a magic wand as it were. This creation took eons of time. Even preparing the earth for life and creating all earthly forms of life likely took 42,000 years according to the evidence we have from the bible. God is THE SCIENTIST and all science comes from him so when man discovers certain scientific truths they really are truths and God would have made those laws of physics himself and that is why all these creations took time. But to God time goes so very quickly and 42,000 years would have just been like six days to GOD. Netcurtains has got a point and God usually works within the realms of his laws of time and space. That is why when true scientists look at the bible carefully they see that there are no scientific errors and the miracles were of a simple nature with just a control of the laws God already put in place. Even Jesus walking on water would be just a temporary control of gravity in the area Jesus was walking. But when it came to actual creation of the universe this would be no simple miracle but a gigantic work project even to GOD ALMIGHTY.

All the best

vancouver

[Rasha]

Hey Vancouver....

God is the Almighty I agree. He can do miracles yes he can do whatever he wishes. But when creating the universe he didn't use magic?? well i never said he did. He simply told it to be and it was. I am not god so i don't know HOW he made things or why it took SIX days to create the universe!! I always thought even christians believe in the concept of the seven days thingie... they say six days to create the universe and seventh he rested right? Well muslims believe God created the universe in six days! He doesn't need rest for God doesn't get tired. He is not a human being.

God decided not to create the humans and animals right away... well i am sure God has a good reason for that.

yes I agree god is the scientist... and yes He told us all about science in the Quraan... when man discovers things its only Allah allowing man to see the majesty of his creation... and Allah said that look at the universe aroun u and u will see the signs.. when u study and discover atoms, or the planets or what not.... these should make us say: Glorified is He who created these. in islam we say SubhanaAllah which translates to Glorified is Allah.

"God would have made those laws of physics himself" I agree God made everything....

i do not think God is like us.. he doesn't need lots of time to do anything. If he wanted he could have said and it would have became and came into being in no time.

I do'nt know about time goes quickly for god.. muslims believe that one day for Allah is like 100,000 years (muslims correct the number if i'm mistaken but i believe its 100,000 or 70,000 years?!!) well the number is not important what i mean is... how do u know God created the universe in 6 days of our days or 6 days in his days???

It is sad to think that you and many others think there is something which could be hard work for God. I think the god u think of is not almighty afterall.... my god is a God that doesn't get tired, nothing is too hard for him, nothing is even tiring for him, for he is the One who none is like him! He just says to something be and it is!!!!

I didn't mean to offend u by saying ur god is not almight or anything.. but.... i can't believe anyone would believe God is not perfect. just the fact that u think that creating this earth was hard for god makes him imperfect!! To me, and I believe to all muslims, God doesn't get tired, God is above all, he is not like us, he doesn't need rest, doesn't sleep or eat. He is the one and only.. the sustainer of the universe, who never begot and was never begotten and there is no one like unto him. He is the Almighty, the lord of the throne, who no slumber beseizes and no tiredness, boredom or loneliness can be of his attributes.

I refuse to believe that God is less than that! Indeed these are not even enough to describe his majesty and honour!

[vancouver]

Greetings Rasha

According to the Greek scriptures(New Testament as some say)we are still living in the seventh day which has been going about 6,000 years now. The reign of Christ is getting close which is prophesied to be 1,000 years long. So by that calculation the seventh day is likely to be 7,000 years long and Jesus likened his reign to a special sabbath. A sabbath is one seventh. This calculation fits in with scientific discoveries so far that agree with the chronology of events in creation and the way the water cycle works exactly as the bible explains. It has also been scientifically proved that the universe is at least 15 billion years old. Light travels at 186,000 miles per second and we can see stars that are so far away that the universe has to be 15 billion years old unless there are a load of mirrors in space to make this scientific fact false.

Hope this helps

vancouver

[Rasha]

ok.