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Assalamu-alaikum:
A beautiful revertion story. May Allah accept the good deeds of Br Saifuddin.
Wa-salaam,
sure
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Yes! I converted to Islam and here is Why
SAIFUDDIN
How was I committed to Islam?
I was born in a German Christian family during the most ferocious part of World War II, in Berlin, in 1943. My family moved first to Spain, during the same year, and later in 1948, to Argentina. There I stayed for 15 years. I attended my grade and high school at the Roman Catholic "La Salle" school, in Cordoba, Argentine. As was to be expected, I became very soon a fervent Catholic. I was lectured over an hour daily on Catholic religion and I often attended religious services. At twelve, my dream was to become a Roman Catholic priest. I was completely committed to the Christian faith.
Allah observed my folly, and one memorable day, nearly seven years ago, He permitted that a copy of Spanish translation of the Noble Qur'an should reach my hands. My father did not object my reading it, as he supposed that it would only contribute to give me a broader background, and nothing else. He was far from guessing the effect the Words of Allah were going to exert on my mind ... As I opened the Noble Book, I was a fanatic Roman Catholic; as I closed it, I was completely committed to Islam...
Obviously, my opinion of Islam was not favorable one before I read the Noble Qur'an. I took the Holy Book with curiosity, and opened it with scorn, expecting to find in it horrible errors, blasphemies, superstitions and contradictions, I was biased, but I was also very young and my heart had no time to harden completely yet. I went through the Surah reluctantly at the beginning, eagerly then, and finally with a desperate thirst for Truth. Then, in the greatest moment of my life, Allah gave me His guidance and led me from superstition to Truth, from darkness to Light, from Christianity to Islam... in the blessed pages of the Noble Qur'an, I found solution to all my problems, satisfaction to all my needs, explication for all my doubts. Allah attracted me to His Light with irresistible strength, and I gladly yielded to Him. Everything seemed clear now, everything made sense to me, and I began to understand myself, the universe and Allah. I was bitterly aware that I had been dec! eived by my dearest teachers, and that their words were only cruel lies, whether they were aware of it or not. My whole world was shattered in one instant; all concepts had to be revised. But the bitterness in my heart was amply superseded by the ineffable joy of having found my Rubb at last, and I was filled with life and gratitude to Him. I still humbly praise and bless Him for His Mercy with me; without His help, I would have remained in darkness and stupidity forever.
Swelled with joy and enthusiasm, I hurried to communicate my findings to other people, to my parents, to my schoolmates, to my instructors... I wanted everybody to know the Truth, to be free of ignorance and prejudice, to feel the joy I felt. I met a fortress surrounding them, a thick wall separating them from the Truth... And I was not able to remove that rampart, because it was in their hearts, harder than stone. I was received with scorn and persecution, unable to understand the blindness of my persecutors. I learned that only Allah can give Light.
The more I learned, the more I felt compelled to express my gratitude to Allah for having led me to Islam, the Ideal Religion. I have read sacred Scriptures of every religion; nowhere have I found what I encountered in Islam: perfection. The Holy Qur'aan, compared to any other Scripture I have read, is like the light of the sun compared to that of a match. I firmly believe that anybody who reads the Word of Allah with a mind that is not completely closed to Truth, will become a Muslim, if Allah pleases. He will also travel from darkness to Light …
May Allah grant His Guidance to all the sincere seekers of Truth. The arms of Islam are open to receive them in the heart of a community called by Allah Himself: ‘the best people that were ever raised for the benefit of mankind.’
Subhaan is to Allah, the Lord of the universe.
Saifuddin Dirk Walter Mosig
USA
Netcurtains
17-02-2002, 16:23
Yes this is a good comparision.
Thanks for that.
The TRUTH - here it is. This chap is quite open and happy to say
he has become a muslim. Now log onto the internet and do a search using google. Put in the search parms "convert to christianity from islam". You will find hundreds of tales of people being killed and attacked simply for becoming a christian.
I would say to any muslim, there are quite a few ex-Catholic Priests who have converted to Islam - Listen to them - they will have some interesting things to say to you (IMHO).
Netty.
LAST EDITED ON 17-02-02 AT 05:50 PM (GMT)[p]
Salam to all!!
Mashallah a very nice story!!!
I would like to get one of the recent convert TO TELL thier StorY. I was talking to yersterday in the mosque. His a tykondo champion ( hope i spelt it right) Britsh Champion for the last 3 years, then he went off for one year, for a particular reason, then now mashallah he is a muslim, leaving near my house.
Now this verse should help netty, my friend!!
" By the Time, man is at loss except for those who believe, perfrom honourable deeds, recommend Truth and encourage patience." (TMQ: 103: 1-3)
This is one of my fav verses, similar to all the verses of the Quran.
O Tranquil soul,
return to your Lord,
well-pleased and pleasing Him.
Enter among My servants
and enter My Garden.
(TMQ: 89:27-30)
Take care!
Sadiq!
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"Oh Allah, enrich me with knowledge, adorn me with gentleness, honour me with piety and beautify me with health", Aameen
Dear Netcurtains:
I'm warning you that you're overexceeding yourself. Have you not noticed that this a Muslim discussion board? The message that you have posted on the testimony of a supposedly "muslim" converting to another religion is from a site that is anti-Islamic, and by drawing the attention to it you're violtating the rules of this discussion board. You have been warned before.
This is the last time I'm warning you. Either you change your arrogant posture or we may ban you altogether.
Tayeb
Admin
Dear Netcurtains:
Despite my warnings you've continued to provoke us, and to disrespect the rules of this Forum by posting a testimony against Islam. I've suspended your membership of IWC and we request you to stop posting in IWC as you're unwelcome.
Tayeb
Admin
Netcurtains
19-02-2002, 18:43
LAST EDITED ON 19-02-02 AT 05:46 PM (GMT)[p]Ok,
Sorry.
I hope the site goes well in future.
Cheers Netty.
ps in your original message you said the LINK was wrong - you have since CHANGED your reasons.
Dear Netcurtains:
Nobody changed the reasons. It wasn't the matter of link but what was contained in it. Despite that you posted what was contained in the link so really you violated our rules by not only drwaing attention to it but a testimony against Islam.
Tayeb
Admin
Netcurtains
19-02-2002, 19:49
LAST EDITED ON 19-02-02 AT 07:09 PM (GMT)[p]ps - the link you disliked me posting has been posted by a muslim a page earlier - I suggest you take his/her rights away as well. ;-)
http://www.aliasoft.com/htdocs/DCForumID4/86.html##
Also in English Common Law there is a rule: "Wednesbury Unreasonableness". Perhaps "sheria" lawyers ought to investigate it.
jesusfreak4life
20-02-2002, 18:14
Did u know God or know about Him?
Why is it we take Him as a religion. Islam does not believe in Christ as the messiah.
Remember no man comes to the father but through me.
Where are u?
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
jesusfreak4life
20-02-2002, 18:16
E-mail me Netcurtains.
Where u r welcome with open arms.
Islam does believe that Jesus(pbuh) is the Messiah.
jesusfreak4life
21-02-2002, 17:23
What book r u reading?
Islam clearly states Him as a prophet and nothing more
But He is the son of the Living God.
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
3:45. (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
Pickthal's Quran Translation
4:157. And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
Pickthal's Quran Translation
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The word Messiah is found 9 times in the Holy Qoran, so what r u talking about ?
And yes it is true that we dont blasphemy God by referiing partners to Him, like the Christians.
Good bye.
jesusfreak4life
21-02-2002, 18:08
What book are you reading?
Jesus was a high prophet and nothing more
Never is it declared that He is the Son of The Living God!
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
Hey r u kidding me ?
What's this:
"What book r u reading?
Islam clearly states Him as a prophet and nothing more
But He is the son of the Living God."
and what's this:
What book are you reading?
Jesus was a high prophet and nothing more
Never is it declared that He is the Son of The Living God!
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.co
?
jesusfreak4life
22-02-2002, 17:50
JaLaaL
What do u mean?
I have only said the truth, Christianity cannot co-exist peacefully with Islam it is as spitting on the face of Jesus.
Don't you understand that you don't believe he is the Messiah so what if it's mentioned 9 times or 900 times!!!! Your RELIGION does not accept him as the son of the Living God. And by the way blashemy? Calm Down.
I would LOVE a personal e-mail from u!
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
I always post it why is it u never e-mail me?!
LAST EDITED ON 23-02-02 AT 01:12 AM (GMT)[p]>JaLaaL
>What do u mean?
>I have only said the truth,
I know this is not addressed to me, but we (muslims) also speak the truth. Why dont you give it a go, see for yourself!! What islam is.
>Christianity cannot co-exist peacefully with
>Islam it is as spitting
>on the face of Jesus.
Cannot co-exist, i thought as a follower of isa (jesus)!! The manners that protrayed by both our prophets, how to eat and how to talk to other people from different religions was shown to us. So read and learn.
'Peace' is something that 'we' have to GET!! It does not just come, so working together will bring this..
>Don't you understand that you don't
>believe he is the Messiah
We believe him, as a simple messenger, just like the other prophet, ibrahim, the friend of allah, Musa, Dawud, Yusuf, Muhammad, the final messenger. We do understand, but 'YoU' dont understand!! We accept all the prophets.
>so what if it's mentioned
>9 times or 900 times!!!!
It is mentioned many times in the quran. Similar to the other stories of the Prophets. The mention of the heaven/hell, the lessons, morals, guidelines, e.t.c.
>Your RELIGION does not accept
>him as the son of
>the Living God.
Yes, very true, we dont accept him as a 'son', he is just a simple messenger. Allah has blessed prophet Isa (jesus) with many miracles, one being his birth and he could talk at a young age. To 'attach' the son word is extreme in regards to love or respect upon the prophet.
>And by
>the way blashemy? Calm Down.
We are calm, i hope you see the path clear, and do not try and block it, for it will keep on shining through....
>I would LOVE a personal e-mail
>from u!
This message was directed to jalal, so if he wants let him e-mail you.
>Dee
>nenadee42@yahoo.com
>I always post it why is
>it u never e-mail me?!
Is it wise to give your e-mail on the net, or a diss board. I thought there are plenty of people with 'bombs', e-mail bombs, so watch out by dear traveller!!
IbnZiad!
Netcurtains
23-02-2002, 11:21
Hi,
I emailed her - nothing sinister - just a youngster trying to understand the other side.
To avoid email "bombs" set you internet settings to high security for a while and have a "rubbish" email (web based only) site to contact strangers with. I use zoom. NEVER open a mail with an enclosure in it (even from a friend without first ringing him to see if he sent it). You can of course WRITE PROTECT much of your operating system files so that they cannot be corrupted but this is not recommended.
Netty.
>JaLaaL
>What do u mean?
>I have only said the truth,
>Christianity cannot co-exist peacefully with
>Islam it is as spitting
>on the face of Jesus.
In the first quote you say that Jesus(pbuh) is the Son of God and in the second one you claim something totally different. I thought you had noticed that.
>I would LOVE a personal e-mail
>from u!
>Dee
>nenadee42@yahoo.com
>I always post it why is
>it u never e-mail me?!
?
....OK, I will send you an email, if that calms you down.
See ya !
jesusfreak4life
25-02-2002, 16:44
So where is my e-mail?
And Jesus being the Son of God is the whole point.
And everybody and anybody is welcome to my e-mail.
No threats though...We love the Muslims!
And yes I am only 16 and I have to learn much; but I'm here for a reason and I plan to use the authority Jesus has given me when he died and rose on the 3rd day for my sins.
Dee
nenadee42@yahoo.com
>And yes I am only 16
>and I have to learn
>much; but I'm here for
>a reason and I plan
>to use the authority Jesus
>has given me when he
>died and rose on the
>3rd day for my sins.
>
>
>Dee
>nenadee42@yahoo.com
Specially for you jesusfreak, since you believe Jesus 'died and rose on the 3rd day'.
What Was The Sign Of Jonah?
By Ahmed Deedat
"CHRIST" NOT A NAME
Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce "a thousand and one" prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the "thousand" prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews.
We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed". The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ. Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1).
We are reminded in the Gospel of St. Luke that "WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB." (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof!
MIRACLE AS PROOF
Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews -- the Scribes and Pharisees -- came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE" (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some "magic trick", some "sleight of hand" like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of "sign" or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan.
NO "SIGN" BUT ONE
With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." (Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, "NO SIGN". He does not refer the Jews to blind Barimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the "woman with issues" who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal "a man possessed"; or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of bread. "No sign", says Jesus, BUT ONE! -- "THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAS"! He is putting all his "eggs" in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls by the ONLY "sign" he was prepared to give. Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice -- 'not to take things for granted' -- but "PROVE ALL THINGS"! (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
JONAH FLEES HIS CALL
What was the "sign" (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the "Book of Jonah" in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Ninevites to repent from their "evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands." (Jonah 3:8). But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Ninevah, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord's command.
While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master's command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to inquire among themselves and said, "COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like tossing of a coin, "head" or "tail") THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH." (Jonah 1:7). Though there was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most courageously volunteers:
"AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU." (Jonah 1:12).
DEAD OR ALIVE?
Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a "vicarious" sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: "TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH". The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!". The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE". Was he dead or alive when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY"? (Jonah 2:1)
Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE". For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" "soos Jonah" -- "njenga Jonah" -- LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and nights? Alive! Alive! Alive! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!
UNLIKE JONAH
If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the "death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was dead for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfillment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said " LIKE Jonah" not "UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST"?
THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?
The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor -- "as Jonah was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note", says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfill the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT 'As Jonah was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!"
PUBLIC HOLIDAY
The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" -- "Gooi-Vrydag" -- as a Public Holiday in the Republic of South Africa? And every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire have a Public Holiday on the "FRIDAY" at Easter. What makes "Good Friday" so good?
"It is the death of Christ on the cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 1950 years ago? "Yes!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance". To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.
WHY "SUPPOSED"?
There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples" to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times.
In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:
In the Sepulcher Easter week----------------Days-----Nights
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Friday placed in tomb just before sunset----Nil-----One
Saturday supposed to be in the tomb--------One-----One
Sunday missing before sunrise--------------Nil-----Nil
Total----------------------------------One day Two nights
You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was dead for the same period of time as Jonah was -- ALIVE.
SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result -- THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the First day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.
"GOOD" WEDNESDAY
The Armstrong family has debunked the whole Christian world. They seem to know their arithmetic! Mr. Robert Fahey of the "Plain Truth" magazine, delivered a lecture recently at the "Holiday Inn", Durban, where I was present. Mr. Fahey attempted to prove to his Christian audience that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and not on Friday, as is supposed by Orthodox Christianity for the past two thousand years. According to him if one counts backwards from Sunday morning deducting 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, one ought to get WEDNESDAY as the answer.
I congratulated Mr. Fahey for his ingenuity. I asked him, how was it possible for the past two thousand years the whole Christian world celebrated GOOD FRIDAY instead of GOOD WEDNESDAY. Thus the 1200000000 Christians of the world today are ignorant of the correct day of the so called crucifixion! It means that even the Roman Catholic Church -- which claims an unbroken chain of Popes from Peter to this day -- according to Mr. Fahey are mislead.
GOD OR THE DEVIL?
The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL? Mr. Fahey categorically answered: "THE DEVIL!"
"If the devil", I said, "can succeed in confusing the Christians in the most elementary things of their Faith, whether to celebrate a Good Friday or a Good Wednesday, then how much easier for him to mislead Christians in other things concerning God?" Mr. Fahey blushed and walked away.
If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?
Jesus son of God???
This is not true of course. The proof is right there in the Bible itself!!
Although Jesus is refered to as son of God many times, the word son should be taken literary since many were called the sons of God. See Exodus 4:22 where Jacob is refered to as not only the Son of God but also his firstborn. Also see II Samuel 7:13-14 or I Chronicles 22:10 where Solomon is also the son of God. In Jermiah 31:9 Ephraim is God's firstborn!!!!!!!!!!!
I know this is really confusing so many sons and so many firstborns!!
In Deuteronomy 14:1 common people are called children of God. and in Romans 8:29 they are refered to as God's firstborn!!
So you are saying well Jesus is the BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD!!! ok...read Psalm 2:7 where David is the begotten Son of God. The word Son is not literal but metaphorical to mean someone beloved by God. So Jesus is not really the son of God, but someone whom God loves!
If you think he is the Son of God because he has no father then what is Adam. He got no father or mother.
Besides Jesus himself denied being the son of God. In Luke 4:41 "And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the son of God and he rebuking them suffered them not to speak for they knew that he was Christ"
It is clear he refused to be called Son of god. Same happened in Luke 9:20, 21, and he charged them too.
So Jesus is not the SON OF GOD!!!!!!!! By His own authority!!
jesusfreak4life
21-03-2002, 18:04
I've been away!Spring Break ring a bell? Midterm exams!!
Anywho, listen up....please.
John 3:16 the most famous scripture in the bible claims him as the begotten son.
Jesus had an earthyly mother and father. But he was from the spirit for Mary was a virgin.
Remember it was Isaiah chapter 9 to us a child is born.Verse 6 for to us a child is born,to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Jesus was came to fulfill prophecies.
nenadee42@yahoo.com
dee
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