MuSLiMa
12-03-2002, 01:10
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-03-02 AT 11:26 AM (GMT)]Salam Everybody…
I came into this website by mistake and iam thankful that god has accidently brang me in here.. so I can see and read how misunderstood islam really is.. and how truly sad some of the writters here are… I wanted to reply to so many articles written but I couldn't sum up what I wanted to say in a few words.. so I thought I should start a new page.. and see what replies I will get..
First of all iam a 19 year old moslim girl.. living in Australia.. I have been living here for the last 10 years of my life.. and 2 years ago I chose to put the hijab on ( the veil).. iam thankful to god that I was born a moslim.. and I didn't have to spend my whole life searching for the truth that many still havent found… Being a moslim women, isnt as many think it is.. this oppressed women who is beaten up by her husband who she was arranged to marry and who he forced to cover.. Being a moslim is what made me proud of being a women.. being a moslim is what has given me respect for myself.. b/c I know no other religion in the world gives women the respect that islam gives her.. she is truly honoured.. Islam is not only a religion.. it is a complete way of life….To those moslem women who are reading this write now… Know that you are man's sister and half of humanity. You are a mother, wife, daughter, sister, aunt, grand daughter or grand mother. The Prophet said, what translated means, Women are, indeed, men's partners. [Abu Dawood]. You are a member of the great nation of Islam, the best nation ever produced for mankind. No other nation on earth has more great men, leaders and conquerors than this nation. It is the nation of guidance and the straight religion, and it leads humanity to righteousness and truth. Allah, Who granted Islam to this nation, made a high place for Muslim women, and decreed that they share in the responsibilities of enjoining truth, forbidding evil and raising the flag of Islam. He said, what translated means, The believers, men and women, are loyalists of one another, they enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, they offer their prayers perfectly and give the Zakat, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will leave His Mercy on them. Surely Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. [9:71]
Dear Sister, The goals that your enemies and the enemies of your religion are seeking to achieve are well known. They want you to be available for them to fulfill their evil desires whenever they wish. They want you to be a mistress that has no honor. They want you to be found everywhere, on roads and in places of sin, without honor, religion or manners. They seek for you only what they want you to do. The Western world has gone through this all. Women of the West are the part of society that is facing injustice and dishonor. They strive to please men who keep changing partners and seek pleasures but with no responsibility and no consideration of the evil consequences of their sinful actions. O Muslim sister, read and know about those women who discarded shyness and honor and followed their desires, what was the result of their deeds? Was their end honorable and desirable, or was it a shameful and hated end?
I want to tell those who have misunderstood islam that YOU CAN NEVER JUDGE A RELIGION BY ITS PEOPLE...! that is a fact!. You want to know about islam, read and educate urself, ask scholars and imams of the mosques, don't judge it from a few bad examples out there and a few programs that aim to bring hatred towards the moslems, Not everyone who calls themselves a moslem is one.. an not every moslem is honest in his or her actions towards this perfect religion... first of all, the problem with Christianity today is that it is no longer a "religion" as such.. Christianity has become more of a few old traditions and customs that people call a religion.. answer me? what is christmas?? and where is the word "chrismas" mentioned in the bible? what is santa clause? what is easter? what is easter eggs? what is a Christmas tree? there is nothing in the bible that talks about these things..! there is not one verse in the bible that jesus calls himself the son of god ... the old testament is full of things that the muslims follow, yet Christians CHOOSE not to follow U R NOT SUPPOSED TO DRINK, YOU R NOT SUPPOSED TO EAT PORK, U R NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEX BEFORE YOU GET MARRIED (dont know what went wrong there).. Where did Christians get this concept of "You are not allowed to marry your own cousins" b/c u r scared u might get retarded kids?? Yet you are allowed to live with a so called boyfriend for years without getting married to him????? And u are allowed to screw around with anyone u like?? From where did Christians develop this unjust and unfair system of DIVORCE, where two cant even get divorced when they are not happy together, but should separate for 7 years to see if they will get back together??? What answers and solutions does Christianity provide for prostitution?? For homosexuality?? For the increasing number of women who cannot find husbands?? For women who fall pregnant by so called MISTAKE when they are 15 ( or should I say kids - not women)… but something thats even more and more interesting is the following!! "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
NOW WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THOSE OPRESSED MUSLIM COVERED GIRLS!!! hmmmm...lets compare this to this : "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (24:30,31). The Qur'an is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Qur'an is still clear: "O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Qur'an 33:59). Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better to be safe than sorry. In fact, the Qur'an is so concerned with protecting women's bodies and women's reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of unchastity will be severely punished: "And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations)- Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever" ... BUT, i guess many just don't wanna accept the truth.. they want to stay blind.. just b/c they feel that Islam has too many restrictions, especially on women.. What a joke!! Read the bible and the torah and you will know that it was not Islam that labeled women as the product of the devil or seed of devil, it is not Islam that made the man as the dominant lord of woman who has no choice but to surrender to his dominance. It is not Islam that betrays woman as shameful "The birth of a daughter is a loss" (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)... It is not Islam that did not allow women to be educated "A man who educates his son will be the envy of his enemy" (Ecclesiasticus 30:3) yet when it comes to women the following is said about them "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a church." (1Corinthians 14:34-35) Nor is it Islam that argued whether women had a soul in her or not! The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and eve were tempted by the devil, never did the quran blame eve for it! They were equally sinned and equally forgiven! "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you will both be of the zalimun (unjust and wrong doers), Then satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your lord did not forbid you this tree save that you should become angels or become of the immortals, and the Satan wore by allah to them both (saying); verily iam one of the sincere well-wishers for you both, So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifset to them and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of paradise ( in order to cover their shame). And their lord called out to them (saying); "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you; verily satan is an open enemy unto you??" They said "our lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not, and bestow not upon us your mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers"(7:19-23) And eventually god forgives both of them equally. Nowhere in the quran can one find even the slightest hint that Eve tempted Adam to eat from the tree. Eve in the quran is no temptress, she is no deceiver or seducer. Eve was never blamed for the pains of childbearing!!
How could being a pure moslim covered women be worser than those prostitutes and singers and actors that are naked on tv, on the news, on the beach??? how could a moslim women who has so much respect for herself be considered oppressed??..
Now to talk about Polygamy, why don't you all read what your own books say about it then come and argue about the just and fair system of islam! I wonder what the bible has to say about polygamy. How could these moslims let there husbands get married to another lady and treat her as well as he treats her and take her permission to marry her first.. but its ok to be pregnant from the age of 15 to my next door neighbor who still plays nintendo?? By the way, if a women in islam, wishes that her husband doesn't get married to another wife when she is married to him, then she can write that in her marriage contract! hmm.. how could loosing ur virginty to any looser be OK and is considered COOL and not oppressed .. and soooooo fun, but staying a virgin till u get married is considered OPPRESSED??. Islam treats women like pearls. we are the ones protected from aids, from the temptations of this nasty world, from the FASHION that America makes every year, this year the split is at the back, in the summer the split is at the front.. the summer after its boob tubes.. the summer after that is getting out NAKED.. and it keeps going!.. men go to the beach to check out every girl there.. why??? oh, maybe cuz shes intelligent and very educated.. and maybe cuz shes naked and she has a hot body that could satisfy any man just by looking at her!! How cheap!... media will keep playing with the minds of people, it will keep making u see that ISLAM oppresses women and there job is to be sex slaves and cook and clean for there husbands... while it is liberation to show 100 girls naked on a song so it can be popular.. and its ok to a put a **** girl on a beer advertisement so people can buy beer.. and the list is endless.. and really what does the bible have to say about polygamy, lets see. This is seen in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. "The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbours wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10) "If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman, so you shall put away the evil person from Israel." (Deuteronomy 22:22) "So then if, while her husband is living she marries another man, she shall be called an adulteress, but if her husband has died, she is free from that law, so that she is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man." (Romans 7:3) These verses stop women from having more than one husband living at any one time. They do not stop men from having more than one wife because firstly, they quite simply don't say it, and secondly, it is clearly not a general principle which applies regardless of sex. That can be seen in the way the Old Testament repeats and rewrites laws that apply to men where they apply to women, and in the immediate context of the passage in Romans. The reason the Bible gives is that a woman is under the law of her husband until he dies. While the Bible does talk of marriage partners having authority over each other's bodies, it never talks of a man being under the law of his wife. In fact, it numerous places the Bible indicates that that would be intolerable, such as (1 Timothy 2:12) "I do not allow a woman to teach or to usurp authority over the man". In fact, Romans 7 makes this clear. The passage is comparing the woman to the individual believer, being dead to the law of Moses so that they can be married to Christ and be under his law. It would be inappropriate to say that Christ was under the law of the believer, and in the same way it is inappropriate to say that a husband is under the law of his wife. And because of that it is clear that the restriction in Romans 7 of a woman to one husband cannot be transformed into a restriction of a man to only one wife. This highlights another principle which rules out polyandry through God's system of leadership. 1 Corinthians 11 shows that this is:- God is the head of Christ. Christ is the head of man. Man is the head of woman. This would be defined by our society as sexist, but the Bible clearly treats men and women differently. The order does not signify inequality. When we return to man and woman we can see that they can be equal, perhaps in the same way that the Father and Christ are equal, but equality does not mean they are exactly the same or have the same rights and responsibilities. Hence the man is the head of woman - he takes the lead. The Scriptures show that the man must love his wives and obviously this will affect his decisions. In case you think Iam now considering a different subject, here is the punchline - "no man can serve two masters". Christian teaching is that you cannot follow different leaders - you will hate one and love another. So it is in marriage. A woman cannot have two husbands because she cannot follow two leaders. A man can have two wives because it is perfectly possible to lead more than one person. This can be seen in the phrase in 1 Corinthians 7 v 2 which is sometimes quoted out of context in an attempt to suggest the Bible limits polygamy- "Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." The words for "his own" and "her own" in this verse are different, and it is not simply a gender difference. This is what we would expect if the way in which they belong to the other differs according to gender. If you check the word for "her own" and look up Romans 14, you will see it is the same word used there of a servant and "his own master". This shows that, if he had believed in monogamy, Paul could have used the same word for both sexes in 1 Corinthians 7. But he didn't. It also means that a woman has her own husband in the same way that a servant has his own master. Just as a master can have more than one servant, so a husband can have more than one wife, and in the same way as a servant can only have one master, so a wife can only have one husband. Any discussion of Christian doctrine beyond what the Bible teaches is speculation. You can read on and consider this speculation if you wish, but it is still speculation. Christian acceptance of polygyny and rejection of polyandry is based on the belief in the infallibility of the Bible - and Christians should base their beliefs on the Bible and not on speculation and emotions!. So, here goes... The first thing to note is that polyandry is very rare - to the extent of being a freak of nature - the vast majority of societies which allow polygamy allow it for men and not for women. The two systems do not run together - it has the potential to get horrendously confusing if it does. It is likely to be more than just chance which makes this the case. To preserve the bond between parents and children, women cannot have more than one partner of the opposite sex. Men can. If a man wants to leave, in a polyandrous situation he can always deny responsibility for the children in the relationship. This leaves the family at risk. Practically speaking we know that men tend towards providing for the family - polyandry greatly increases the risk that the family will break apart and everyone will be poorer. There are more women of marriageable age in the world than there are men. This means that many women who want to marry cannot, because of the sheer weight of numbers. Polyandry makes this problem worse. Polygamy can remove the problem all together. According to leading economists, the problem should be thought if in terms of demand and supply. When men are allowed more than one wife, there is suddenly an increase in demand for women (as married men can be legitimate prospects as well as single men). This means that their "price" (what a man is willing to do for them to get and keep them) goes up. Similarly there is a decrease in demand for men (as women who may have married them now have a far wider choice). This means that their "price" (what a woman is willing to do for them to get and keep them) goes down. So - according to leading economists, if a man is allowed more than one wife the situation for all women is improved - they have more done for them, and don't have to do as much, but if women were allowed more than one husband their situation would be much worse - they would have to do a great deal to get a man, and he would have to do even less than he does now. Put simply, economics teaches that when men have more wives it is better for women, and that when women have more husbands it is worse for women. This combines with the imbalance in numbers of men and women to mean that polyandry and compulory monogamy are both bad for women. It has been suggested by some that women are naturally monogamous and that men are naturally polygamous. From the viewpoint of natural selection, men have more to gain from multiple partners because they can have more children and propogate their genes, but women can at the most only be pregnant once every nine months, and the number of partners they have does nothing to change this. The natural order seems to uphold the idea of women having one partner. Many who do not accept Christianity would still accept the basic point that leadership tends to be male. This means they can accept the basic logic of the Christian leadership argument - that a family needs only one leader and that two leaders is not viable!!!!!
hmmmm, lets now compare this to ISLAM!! THE OPPRESSIVE RELIGION! "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one" (Qur'an 4:3). Is it a wonder that everything in this world has become OK, prostitution, adultery, having sex with more than one person, homosexuality...?? is it a wonder why islam is considered to be an oopressive religion??? because it values its people... it gives women and men the same equal rights!!!!!!!!!!.. but this is not seen by many people... b/c people only want to see the cruel side of islam... islam is based upon justice and peace.. There is nothing in the islam that prevents women from getting educated, from having a choiceMany judge islam by a few programs that cnn puts on tv like BEHIND THE VEIL... where women are not allowed to be educated and women are covered from top to bottom.. u r basing ur view on myths and not facts... educate URSELF people. The problem with non moslims is that u guys hate seeing the fact that there are people out there who love their religion and love to follow it.. u hate the fact that we have some restrictions on us.. people like u want everything to be OK... people like u want everything and anything to be fine, its a part of life to try everything.. but this is not what ISLAM is about.. ISLAM is not about what this life has but what the next life has.. and after all, all the things that I as a moslim cant do.. is to my own benfit!!! i cant drink... ! I wonder how good drinking is to ur health... and i wonder how many poeple die b/c of alchole... i cant have sex with all my class mates.. i wonder how aids and HIV spreads around so fast???!! i cant gamble! i wonder how many homes broke down and how many families were destroyed b/c of gambling.. i cant walk in in a strip club and look at other naked, just b/c its fun...! hmm, i wonder what kind of a thing i will end up doing after i walk out of that strip club.. and i just really wonder how many families broke down b/c of such places!. IAM COVERED!!!! i wonder how many guys check me out like iam some kind of a creature walking around for guys to check my ##### and boobs and think ooh shes hot! iam not a sexual object for others to stare at! i dont wanna be the next cindy crawford.. and i sure dont wanna end up anorexic b/c i cant keep up with the "right body size" and "fashion" thats in this summer... i wonder how many people dare to go to the beach and wear a bikini b/c they have a bit of flab on them and there size is just not appropiate... IAM protected from all that b/c iam muslim!!! ISLAM TEACHES OTHERS TO VALUE WOMEN BASED ON THEIR INTELLEGENCE, PERSIONALITY AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO STAND FOR... not on if they have stretch marks or not!... i can keep going on for days……. How is it possible that the more clothes u take off, the more so called FREEDOM u have.. and the more LIBERATED u r!!..
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world... do u want hear something really strange, subhana allah.. with all that has been said about women in Islam, would u believe I told u that almost all of the converts to islam, are WOMEN!
The funny thing is, if Christians would get back to their real religion.. they would realize that its nothing different than Islam… The true religion of God!!!…
I came into this website by mistake and iam thankful that god has accidently brang me in here.. so I can see and read how misunderstood islam really is.. and how truly sad some of the writters here are… I wanted to reply to so many articles written but I couldn't sum up what I wanted to say in a few words.. so I thought I should start a new page.. and see what replies I will get..
First of all iam a 19 year old moslim girl.. living in Australia.. I have been living here for the last 10 years of my life.. and 2 years ago I chose to put the hijab on ( the veil).. iam thankful to god that I was born a moslim.. and I didn't have to spend my whole life searching for the truth that many still havent found… Being a moslim women, isnt as many think it is.. this oppressed women who is beaten up by her husband who she was arranged to marry and who he forced to cover.. Being a moslim is what made me proud of being a women.. being a moslim is what has given me respect for myself.. b/c I know no other religion in the world gives women the respect that islam gives her.. she is truly honoured.. Islam is not only a religion.. it is a complete way of life….To those moslem women who are reading this write now… Know that you are man's sister and half of humanity. You are a mother, wife, daughter, sister, aunt, grand daughter or grand mother. The Prophet said, what translated means, Women are, indeed, men's partners. [Abu Dawood]. You are a member of the great nation of Islam, the best nation ever produced for mankind. No other nation on earth has more great men, leaders and conquerors than this nation. It is the nation of guidance and the straight religion, and it leads humanity to righteousness and truth. Allah, Who granted Islam to this nation, made a high place for Muslim women, and decreed that they share in the responsibilities of enjoining truth, forbidding evil and raising the flag of Islam. He said, what translated means, The believers, men and women, are loyalists of one another, they enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, they offer their prayers perfectly and give the Zakat, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will leave His Mercy on them. Surely Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. [9:71]
Dear Sister, The goals that your enemies and the enemies of your religion are seeking to achieve are well known. They want you to be available for them to fulfill their evil desires whenever they wish. They want you to be a mistress that has no honor. They want you to be found everywhere, on roads and in places of sin, without honor, religion or manners. They seek for you only what they want you to do. The Western world has gone through this all. Women of the West are the part of society that is facing injustice and dishonor. They strive to please men who keep changing partners and seek pleasures but with no responsibility and no consideration of the evil consequences of their sinful actions. O Muslim sister, read and know about those women who discarded shyness and honor and followed their desires, what was the result of their deeds? Was their end honorable and desirable, or was it a shameful and hated end?
I want to tell those who have misunderstood islam that YOU CAN NEVER JUDGE A RELIGION BY ITS PEOPLE...! that is a fact!. You want to know about islam, read and educate urself, ask scholars and imams of the mosques, don't judge it from a few bad examples out there and a few programs that aim to bring hatred towards the moslems, Not everyone who calls themselves a moslem is one.. an not every moslem is honest in his or her actions towards this perfect religion... first of all, the problem with Christianity today is that it is no longer a "religion" as such.. Christianity has become more of a few old traditions and customs that people call a religion.. answer me? what is christmas?? and where is the word "chrismas" mentioned in the bible? what is santa clause? what is easter? what is easter eggs? what is a Christmas tree? there is nothing in the bible that talks about these things..! there is not one verse in the bible that jesus calls himself the son of god ... the old testament is full of things that the muslims follow, yet Christians CHOOSE not to follow U R NOT SUPPOSED TO DRINK, YOU R NOT SUPPOSED TO EAT PORK, U R NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEX BEFORE YOU GET MARRIED (dont know what went wrong there).. Where did Christians get this concept of "You are not allowed to marry your own cousins" b/c u r scared u might get retarded kids?? Yet you are allowed to live with a so called boyfriend for years without getting married to him????? And u are allowed to screw around with anyone u like?? From where did Christians develop this unjust and unfair system of DIVORCE, where two cant even get divorced when they are not happy together, but should separate for 7 years to see if they will get back together??? What answers and solutions does Christianity provide for prostitution?? For homosexuality?? For the increasing number of women who cannot find husbands?? For women who fall pregnant by so called MISTAKE when they are 15 ( or should I say kids - not women)… but something thats even more and more interesting is the following!! "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
NOW WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THOSE OPRESSED MUSLIM COVERED GIRLS!!! hmmmm...lets compare this to this : "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (24:30,31). The Qur'an is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Qur'an is still clear: "O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Qur'an 33:59). Thus, the only purpose of the veil in Islam is protection. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil of the Christian tradition, is not a sign of man's authority over woman nor is it a sign of woman's subjection to man. The Islamic veil, unlike the veil in the Jewish tradition, is not a sign of luxury and distinction of some noble married women. The Islamic veil is only a sign of modesty with the purpose of protecting women, all women. The Islamic philosophy is that it is always better to be safe than sorry. In fact, the Qur'an is so concerned with protecting women's bodies and women's reputation that a man who dares to falsely accuse a woman of unchastity will be severely punished: "And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations)- Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever" ... BUT, i guess many just don't wanna accept the truth.. they want to stay blind.. just b/c they feel that Islam has too many restrictions, especially on women.. What a joke!! Read the bible and the torah and you will know that it was not Islam that labeled women as the product of the devil or seed of devil, it is not Islam that made the man as the dominant lord of woman who has no choice but to surrender to his dominance. It is not Islam that betrays woman as shameful "The birth of a daughter is a loss" (Ecclesiasticus 22:3)... It is not Islam that did not allow women to be educated "A man who educates his son will be the envy of his enemy" (Ecclesiasticus 30:3) yet when it comes to women the following is said about them "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a church." (1Corinthians 14:34-35) Nor is it Islam that argued whether women had a soul in her or not! The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and eve were tempted by the devil, never did the quran blame eve for it! They were equally sinned and equally forgiven! "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you will both be of the zalimun (unjust and wrong doers), Then satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your lord did not forbid you this tree save that you should become angels or become of the immortals, and the Satan wore by allah to them both (saying); verily iam one of the sincere well-wishers for you both, So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifset to them and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of paradise ( in order to cover their shame). And their lord called out to them (saying); "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you; verily satan is an open enemy unto you??" They said "our lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not, and bestow not upon us your mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers"(7:19-23) And eventually god forgives both of them equally. Nowhere in the quran can one find even the slightest hint that Eve tempted Adam to eat from the tree. Eve in the quran is no temptress, she is no deceiver or seducer. Eve was never blamed for the pains of childbearing!!
How could being a pure moslim covered women be worser than those prostitutes and singers and actors that are naked on tv, on the news, on the beach??? how could a moslim women who has so much respect for herself be considered oppressed??..
Now to talk about Polygamy, why don't you all read what your own books say about it then come and argue about the just and fair system of islam! I wonder what the bible has to say about polygamy. How could these moslims let there husbands get married to another lady and treat her as well as he treats her and take her permission to marry her first.. but its ok to be pregnant from the age of 15 to my next door neighbor who still plays nintendo?? By the way, if a women in islam, wishes that her husband doesn't get married to another wife when she is married to him, then she can write that in her marriage contract! hmm.. how could loosing ur virginty to any looser be OK and is considered COOL and not oppressed .. and soooooo fun, but staying a virgin till u get married is considered OPPRESSED??. Islam treats women like pearls. we are the ones protected from aids, from the temptations of this nasty world, from the FASHION that America makes every year, this year the split is at the back, in the summer the split is at the front.. the summer after its boob tubes.. the summer after that is getting out NAKED.. and it keeps going!.. men go to the beach to check out every girl there.. why??? oh, maybe cuz shes intelligent and very educated.. and maybe cuz shes naked and she has a hot body that could satisfy any man just by looking at her!! How cheap!... media will keep playing with the minds of people, it will keep making u see that ISLAM oppresses women and there job is to be sex slaves and cook and clean for there husbands... while it is liberation to show 100 girls naked on a song so it can be popular.. and its ok to a put a **** girl on a beer advertisement so people can buy beer.. and the list is endless.. and really what does the bible have to say about polygamy, lets see. This is seen in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. "The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbours wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10) "If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman, so you shall put away the evil person from Israel." (Deuteronomy 22:22) "So then if, while her husband is living she marries another man, she shall be called an adulteress, but if her husband has died, she is free from that law, so that she is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man." (Romans 7:3) These verses stop women from having more than one husband living at any one time. They do not stop men from having more than one wife because firstly, they quite simply don't say it, and secondly, it is clearly not a general principle which applies regardless of sex. That can be seen in the way the Old Testament repeats and rewrites laws that apply to men where they apply to women, and in the immediate context of the passage in Romans. The reason the Bible gives is that a woman is under the law of her husband until he dies. While the Bible does talk of marriage partners having authority over each other's bodies, it never talks of a man being under the law of his wife. In fact, it numerous places the Bible indicates that that would be intolerable, such as (1 Timothy 2:12) "I do not allow a woman to teach or to usurp authority over the man". In fact, Romans 7 makes this clear. The passage is comparing the woman to the individual believer, being dead to the law of Moses so that they can be married to Christ and be under his law. It would be inappropriate to say that Christ was under the law of the believer, and in the same way it is inappropriate to say that a husband is under the law of his wife. And because of that it is clear that the restriction in Romans 7 of a woman to one husband cannot be transformed into a restriction of a man to only one wife. This highlights another principle which rules out polyandry through God's system of leadership. 1 Corinthians 11 shows that this is:- God is the head of Christ. Christ is the head of man. Man is the head of woman. This would be defined by our society as sexist, but the Bible clearly treats men and women differently. The order does not signify inequality. When we return to man and woman we can see that they can be equal, perhaps in the same way that the Father and Christ are equal, but equality does not mean they are exactly the same or have the same rights and responsibilities. Hence the man is the head of woman - he takes the lead. The Scriptures show that the man must love his wives and obviously this will affect his decisions. In case you think Iam now considering a different subject, here is the punchline - "no man can serve two masters". Christian teaching is that you cannot follow different leaders - you will hate one and love another. So it is in marriage. A woman cannot have two husbands because she cannot follow two leaders. A man can have two wives because it is perfectly possible to lead more than one person. This can be seen in the phrase in 1 Corinthians 7 v 2 which is sometimes quoted out of context in an attempt to suggest the Bible limits polygamy- "Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." The words for "his own" and "her own" in this verse are different, and it is not simply a gender difference. This is what we would expect if the way in which they belong to the other differs according to gender. If you check the word for "her own" and look up Romans 14, you will see it is the same word used there of a servant and "his own master". This shows that, if he had believed in monogamy, Paul could have used the same word for both sexes in 1 Corinthians 7. But he didn't. It also means that a woman has her own husband in the same way that a servant has his own master. Just as a master can have more than one servant, so a husband can have more than one wife, and in the same way as a servant can only have one master, so a wife can only have one husband. Any discussion of Christian doctrine beyond what the Bible teaches is speculation. You can read on and consider this speculation if you wish, but it is still speculation. Christian acceptance of polygyny and rejection of polyandry is based on the belief in the infallibility of the Bible - and Christians should base their beliefs on the Bible and not on speculation and emotions!. So, here goes... The first thing to note is that polyandry is very rare - to the extent of being a freak of nature - the vast majority of societies which allow polygamy allow it for men and not for women. The two systems do not run together - it has the potential to get horrendously confusing if it does. It is likely to be more than just chance which makes this the case. To preserve the bond between parents and children, women cannot have more than one partner of the opposite sex. Men can. If a man wants to leave, in a polyandrous situation he can always deny responsibility for the children in the relationship. This leaves the family at risk. Practically speaking we know that men tend towards providing for the family - polyandry greatly increases the risk that the family will break apart and everyone will be poorer. There are more women of marriageable age in the world than there are men. This means that many women who want to marry cannot, because of the sheer weight of numbers. Polyandry makes this problem worse. Polygamy can remove the problem all together. According to leading economists, the problem should be thought if in terms of demand and supply. When men are allowed more than one wife, there is suddenly an increase in demand for women (as married men can be legitimate prospects as well as single men). This means that their "price" (what a man is willing to do for them to get and keep them) goes up. Similarly there is a decrease in demand for men (as women who may have married them now have a far wider choice). This means that their "price" (what a woman is willing to do for them to get and keep them) goes down. So - according to leading economists, if a man is allowed more than one wife the situation for all women is improved - they have more done for them, and don't have to do as much, but if women were allowed more than one husband their situation would be much worse - they would have to do a great deal to get a man, and he would have to do even less than he does now. Put simply, economics teaches that when men have more wives it is better for women, and that when women have more husbands it is worse for women. This combines with the imbalance in numbers of men and women to mean that polyandry and compulory monogamy are both bad for women. It has been suggested by some that women are naturally monogamous and that men are naturally polygamous. From the viewpoint of natural selection, men have more to gain from multiple partners because they can have more children and propogate their genes, but women can at the most only be pregnant once every nine months, and the number of partners they have does nothing to change this. The natural order seems to uphold the idea of women having one partner. Many who do not accept Christianity would still accept the basic point that leadership tends to be male. This means they can accept the basic logic of the Christian leadership argument - that a family needs only one leader and that two leaders is not viable!!!!!
hmmmm, lets now compare this to ISLAM!! THE OPPRESSIVE RELIGION! "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one" (Qur'an 4:3). Is it a wonder that everything in this world has become OK, prostitution, adultery, having sex with more than one person, homosexuality...?? is it a wonder why islam is considered to be an oopressive religion??? because it values its people... it gives women and men the same equal rights!!!!!!!!!!.. but this is not seen by many people... b/c people only want to see the cruel side of islam... islam is based upon justice and peace.. There is nothing in the islam that prevents women from getting educated, from having a choiceMany judge islam by a few programs that cnn puts on tv like BEHIND THE VEIL... where women are not allowed to be educated and women are covered from top to bottom.. u r basing ur view on myths and not facts... educate URSELF people. The problem with non moslims is that u guys hate seeing the fact that there are people out there who love their religion and love to follow it.. u hate the fact that we have some restrictions on us.. people like u want everything to be OK... people like u want everything and anything to be fine, its a part of life to try everything.. but this is not what ISLAM is about.. ISLAM is not about what this life has but what the next life has.. and after all, all the things that I as a moslim cant do.. is to my own benfit!!! i cant drink... ! I wonder how good drinking is to ur health... and i wonder how many poeple die b/c of alchole... i cant have sex with all my class mates.. i wonder how aids and HIV spreads around so fast???!! i cant gamble! i wonder how many homes broke down and how many families were destroyed b/c of gambling.. i cant walk in in a strip club and look at other naked, just b/c its fun...! hmm, i wonder what kind of a thing i will end up doing after i walk out of that strip club.. and i just really wonder how many families broke down b/c of such places!. IAM COVERED!!!! i wonder how many guys check me out like iam some kind of a creature walking around for guys to check my ##### and boobs and think ooh shes hot! iam not a sexual object for others to stare at! i dont wanna be the next cindy crawford.. and i sure dont wanna end up anorexic b/c i cant keep up with the "right body size" and "fashion" thats in this summer... i wonder how many people dare to go to the beach and wear a bikini b/c they have a bit of flab on them and there size is just not appropiate... IAM protected from all that b/c iam muslim!!! ISLAM TEACHES OTHERS TO VALUE WOMEN BASED ON THEIR INTELLEGENCE, PERSIONALITY AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO STAND FOR... not on if they have stretch marks or not!... i can keep going on for days……. How is it possible that the more clothes u take off, the more so called FREEDOM u have.. and the more LIBERATED u r!!..
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world... do u want hear something really strange, subhana allah.. with all that has been said about women in Islam, would u believe I told u that almost all of the converts to islam, are WOMEN!
The funny thing is, if Christians would get back to their real religion.. they would realize that its nothing different than Islam… The true religion of God!!!…