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1. To disband the state of Israel'
2. To Jews to recognize Jesus Christ as the envoy Divine to people and to recognize and accept His teachings.
To realize and repent of a sin of renunciation and denying of the Divine prophets.
3. To christians to realize false and distortion of the doctrine of church. And turn their faces to the God and to begin to carry out His Laws and Rules given by all prophets of the God. To realize and atone in a sin of renunciation of the Divine prophets.
4. To moslems to realize that the Koran is basically an explanation of the Bible and addition to the Bible, but not the separate Book. As well as to Christians to reconsider laws and rules and to start to carry out all Laws and Rules given to people by God. To realize and repent of a sin of denying of the Divine prophets.
And to make and resolve all this is necessary on the general meeting of leaders of all religions and heads of all the states.
Both terror and wars will disappear from the face of the Earth then for ever. And who against it, that against our God... That will die.
LAST EDITED ON 30-11-01 AT 09:36 PM (GMT)[p]Hello Sulphur,
That was quite an interesting message you posted. I certainly respect a peaceful attitude about Palestine and Israel, as it seems a rare opinion. There's a point I want to share with you relating to that, but I don't the resources in front of me right now. What's your religious position, if I may ask? Your first several points sound Muslim, but you use some non-Muslim vocabulary like Christ and the spelling of the Koran. There are also some other things I want to comment on:
4. To Jews to recognize Jesus Christ as the envoy Divine to people and to recognize and accept His teachings.
To realize and repent of a sin of renunciation and denying of the Divine prophets.
I completely agree. I think that Jesus Christ was indeed a prophet of God which all people need to accept. I also think that Judaism has strayed from some of their previous prophets who fortold the messiah, especially David (Dawud) and Isaiah.
5. To christians to realize false and distortion of the doctrine of church. And turn their faces to the God and to begin to carry out His Laws and Rules given by all prophets of the God. To realize and atone in a sin of renunciation of the Divine prophets.
I'm not exactly sure what you were getting at here, if it's one thing I agree, if the other, I disagree.
If you mean that Christians should continue following the Judaic Law (pork etc.) then I disagree. Jesus, a prophet, taught that 1 the Law hangs on the two acts of loving God and loving others, 2 the Judaic Law is not the best way to follow God and 3 ended the needed obedience to the Law by replacing it with a better way to reach God.
However, if you mean that the Church and Christians have changed the meaning of the prophets through living sinful lives, then I completely agree. There are, and have been throughout history, many Christians defiling the teachings of Christ and the Church has made many blunders. Christians and the Church are told to be a light to the world, an het all these acts are shameful to the perfection of God.
6. To moslems to realize that the Koran is basically an explanation of the Bible and addition to the Bible, but not the separate Book. As well as to Christians to reconsider laws and rules and to start to carry out all Laws and Rules given to people by God. To realize and repent of a sin of denying of the Divine prophets.
Again, you're a little vague. As I've said before, it looks that the Qur'an claims itself to be an addition to the Bible and an explanation "in clear Arabic," but most Muslims don't realize this. According to Islam both the Bible and the Qu'ran are part of the same heavenly Book. (But maybe I'm wrong.) However, as a Christian I believe the Bible to be in superiority to the Qur'an, and that in dispute of the Laws the Rules, the Bible should be followed.
JBJ
Both terror and wars will disappear from the face of the Earth then for ever. And who against it, that against our God... That will die.
LAST EDITED ON 07-12-01 AT 08:39 AM (GMT)[p]Dear JBJ, let me answer your questions one by one:
>What's your religious position, if I
>may ask? Your first
>several points sound Muslim, but
>you use some non-Muslim vocabulary
>like Christ and the spelling
>of the Koran.
I'm not attached to any religion
i follow all prophets of God
i follow God.
>There are also some other things
>I want to comment on:
>
>
>I completely agree. I think
>that Jesus Christ was indeed
>a prophet of God which
>all people need to accept.
> I also think that
>Judaism has strayed from some
>of their previous prophets who
>fortold the messiah, especially David
>(Dawud) and Isaiah.
To say exactly
all people need to accept Jesus but
not all people must follow his teachings
Jesus was preaching to jews
but not to gentiles
and Jesus taught jews
tolerance and love to enemies
he taught them to understand
their purpose appointed by God
comparing them with salt and light
Jesus was preparing jews for conquest of the World
conquest with no sword but with Word of God
The Kingdom of God preached Jesus
God wants His Kingdom among the people
obedience of all people
to the same Rules and Laws given by God
>
>
>If you mean that Christians should
>continue following the Judaic Law
>(pork etc.) then I disagree.
> Jesus, a prophet, taught
>that 1 the Law hangs
>on the two acts of
>loving God and loving others,
>2 the Judaic Law is
>not the best way to
>follow God and 3 ended
>the needed obedience to the
>Law by replacing it with
>a better way to reach
>God.
Dear JBJ
I mean exactly what you said
Christians must continue to follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses
and Moslems must follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses
and all people must follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses.
for your reference I quote here posting by Khan:
[link:www.aliasoft.com/htdocs/DCForumID2/23.html|Quran, Bible, Torah, all contain the Guidence?]
>
>However, if you mean that the
>Church and Christians have changed
>the meaning of the prophets
>through living sinful lives, then
>I completely agree. There
>are, and have been throughout
>history, many Christians defiling the
>teachings of Christ and the
>Church has made many blunders.
Complitely agree with you on this point
But let me disagree with you on the following
> Christians and the Church
>are told to be a
>light to the world, an
>het all these acts are
>shameful to the perfection of
>God.
As I have said previously:
not Christians and the Church
are told to be a light to the world
but jews are told to be a light to the world
>
>Again, you're a little vague.
>As I've said before, it
>looks that the Qur'an claims
>itself to be an addition
>to the Bible and an
>explanation "in clear Arabic," but
>most Muslims don't realize this.
> According to Islam both
>the Bible and the Qu'ran
>are part of the same
>heavenly Book. (But maybe
>I'm wrong.)
No, you are not
>However, as a Christian I believe the
>Bible to be in superiority
>to the Qur'an, and that
>in dispute of the Laws
>the Rules, the Bible should
>be followed.
>
Bible in superior to Quran
by time but not by importance
both books are from same God
and any controversies are from people
but not from God
>JBJ
>
>Both terror and wars will disappear
>from the face of the
>Earth then for ever. And
>who against it, that against
>our God... That will die.
>
Sulphur,
I could have sworn I already responded to this, but I'll do it again. Basically, what does it mean that all people need to accept Jesus but not all people must follow his teachings"?
JBJ
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>Sulphur,
>
>I could have sworn I already
>responded to this, but I'll
>do it again. Basically,
>what does it mean that
>all people need to accept
>Jesus but not all people
>must follow his teachings"?
>
>JBJ
his teachings where addressed
to hebrews but not to gentiles
and he did not spell out
the whole message from God
about Kingdom of God
because The Message was abrupted
The whole Message of God is
One Laws of God shall be for everybody
it is Kingdom of God
Hello Sulpur,
But what about in First Corintians 1.23,24 where it says:
We (Christians) preach Christ (Jesus) crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks (Gentiles), Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
So isn't Jesus preached to Jews and Gentiles alike? Also, in Acts 10.13-15:
(A vision of sheet) contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
Here God tells Peter that nothing God has made is now clean, refering to unkosher meats. Isn't the Mosaic Law, at least in this area, abrogated?
One more question, do you believe Jesus died for your sins? Thanks for everything.
JBJ
Hello JBJ,
let me answer your comments
>
>But what about in First Corintians
>1.23,24 where it says:
>
>We (Christians) preach Christ (Jesus) crucified:
>a stumbling block to Jews
>and foolishness to Gentiles, but
>to those whom God has
>called, both Jews and Greeks
>(Gentiles), Christ the power of
>God and the wisdom of
>God.
>
>So isn't Jesus preached to Jews
>and Gentiles alike?
Yes.
God has called for both jews and greeks and for romans too.
But jesus was preaching only to hebrews.
Because, as per Plan of God, mission of jesus is of two parts. First, he become king of jews.
And then he lead jews to conquer the world with Word of God.
Jesus died before he acomplished first part
> Also,
>in Acts 10.13-15:
>
>(A vision of sheet) contained all
>kinds of four-footed animals, as
>well as reptiles of the
>earth and birds of the
>air. Then a voice
>told him, "Get up, Peter.
>Kill and eat." "Surely
>not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I
>have never eaten anything impure
>or unclean." The voice
>spoke to him a second
>time, "Do not call anything
>impure that God has made
>clean."
>
>Here God tells Peter that nothing
>God has made is now
>clean, refering to unkosher meats.
> Isn't the Mosaic Law,
>at least in this area,
>abrogated?
>
Dear JBJ
You misunderstood everything here:
First, God tells peter that
everything God has made, is clean.
And nothing has been said about food here.
To understand you must read further:
(acts10.28)
God said to peter that he can go
and preach to gentiles as well
>One more question, do you believe
>Jesus died for your sins?
> Thanks for everything.
>
>JBJ
Jesus died not for our sins
but because of our sins
ask more questions
sulfur
LAST EDITED ON 16-12-01 AT 06:14 AM (GMT)[p]Hi Sulphur,
It seemed like you ignored the verse I mentioned,
"We (Christians) preach Christ (Jesus) crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks (Gentiles), Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." Here Christians are called to preach about Christ, his crucifixion and being the power and wisdom of God. Notice "preach," not just "teach." Why "preach" about a man whose "teachings where addressed "to hebrews but not to gentiles"?
Besides that, Paul was called by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles, and what else would he preach about but of the power of Christ's crucifixion?
You seem to ignore this verse too:
(A vision of sheet) contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
You said, "nothing has been said about food here." Of course food is mentioned! What else do you eat but food? God is telling him to eat the animals, thus they are food. The animals were forbidden in the Mosaic Law, but God is making them acceptable.
You more thing. You said Jesus did not die for our sins, but Peter said in his first epistle, 3.18, "Christ died for sins." You're contradicting the Bible.
JBJ
Hi Sulphur,
I know there'a lot of anxiety about the state of Israel, and I don't want to add to it, especially because I give much attention to it. However, I want to point out that Israel will not be disbanded, or at least not permanently.
In the Torah, God prophesied to Jacob (Yacoub) that his family would leave their home, Palestine, going to Egypt and then return to it. And they did.
God prophesied again that the Israelites would leave Palestine to another nation because of thier idolatry and then return. And they did.
Then God prophesied that there would be a great dispersion when Jews would be forced to go to many nations all over the world, and yet again they would return. Starting in 70 AD the Diaspora, the "Great Dispersion," took place and continued until 1948 when God fulfilled his promise yet again as written in the Bible.
Some Biblical scholars think that because only these three dispersion are mentioned, there will only be three and the present Israeli state will remain. That may be true, I don't know. There may be yet another breakup and return. But I do know a point will come when Israel is established, never to be ended. As God said to Hosea and Amos the prophets,
For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David (messiah, Jesus) their king.
"I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.
JBJ
21st CENTURY GOD
By Kurt G Kawohl
Demystifying God
In this 21st Century, the Age of Technology, we are still plagued by religious beliefs that may be a contributing cause of terrorism, killings and wars between nations. Belief in a God who causes catastrophes, punishes people and who created the universe out of nothing as if by magic, was brought about by hysteria and superstition. This thought process needs to be reassessed and brought up to date. Open-minded people must use common sense to determine whether this God was incorrectly perceived, misinterpreted and misunderstood by the masses of a bygone era.
The destruction of civilizations, most sufferings and premature deaths are due to our frailties, our stupidity or human imperfections, not God's or the Devil's doings. The greatest fallacy is beliefs that split people, religions and countries. Too many lives have been lost in an illogical attempt to force our beliefs on others.
When people first acquired reasoning abilities, the first fear of an unseen deity came about when lightning and thunder caused them to cringe and seek shelter. Lightning and thunder were thought to be punishment from God for evil deeds. Worshipping God through prayers and asking for forgiveness eventually, as the storm passed, was believed to appease the wrath of God or the Gods.
Prophets of past who claimed to have a personal contact with God, had been inspired by God, thereby interpreting this ecstasy to the best of their ability; and applying this wisdom to a time when it was believed that a holy man had to have direct contact with God; today we know that interactions between dimensions is not a reality. This God will not strike you dead with a lightning bolt or condemn you to eternal hell fire and damnation if you do not follow the teachings of your fathers or spiritual leaders, or pray to him constantly. This was a war-like god. He was as necessary at that time as every king, dictator, war lord, and tribal leader who fought and died by the sword. The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus and other Prophets, is the same as the God of today. God will not interfere with anything that is done on earth.
Creation or Evolution ?
Creation and evolution work in unison. The former can not survive without the latter. If a man and woman desire a child, they set into motion processes of creation and evolution. The bible states, "If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, `Move from here to there, and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you." As long as this is not taken literally, it is indeed a true statement.
If a city Master Plan calls for a mountain to be relocated, it will be done. Were the planners, designers, architects, contractors, or the laborers responsible for the finished product? If God, via inspiration initiates a process, or causes currents or a meteorite to carry a seed to a distant planet to be germinated; to create and have life evolve thereby, is not God creating life and responsible for evolution? If life is created and it does not evolve, it perishes.
Is the Bible The Word Of God ?
The Bible refers to God as representing a masculine anthropomorphic figure; as the king-like ruler who demands that everyone worship him and unquestionably do his biddings through eternity. In this 21st Century many religious beliefs are as antiquated as in millenniums past. Most stories in the Bible were passed down verbally through generations, with new additions by each generation. In past centuries superstitions were the norm. Isn't it about time that a belief in God, if one so chooses, makes sense.
The books of the were written over a period of about 1500 years by about 40 different authors on three continents in three languages. The first 5 books, written by Moses about 1410 BC were accepted as authoritative by the people that initially received them. Transmission refers to the process of getting something written up to 3500 years ago to us. During transmission the documents are copied and errors are introduced. Some, who reject the truth of the bible argue that there errors are so many and so large that the bible is unreliable. Others, who accept the truth of the bible argue that the errors and alterations by copyists only slightly if at all diminish the reliability of the bible.
The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus and other Prophets, is the same as the God of today who wants all souls to co-exist in peace and tranquility for eternity. Now our perceptions of God may vary. Today, we can receive inspiration without intermediaries.
Did God ever, and will he ever in the future, interfere with anything that happens on this earth, or is God and the Devil being blamed for our problems and bad decisions ?
God never did and never will interfere with anything that is done on earth. God will not breach the spiritual realm. We no longer need to fear God or Allah, endlessly worship him, dress or look a certain way; all to please a God who is not as we have been told to accept, without having to fear facing his wrath of eternal damnation ?
Our intelligence compared to God is like that of a 2 year old child. God will make allowances for our ignorance.
It doesn't matter to God whether we believe that God is/was:
1. Created by the spirit and soul and evolved to be the supreme intelligence.
2. The beginning, always was, came out of nowhere and created the heavens and earth.
3 The one supreme ruler who dominates the universe.
4. Called God, God Almighty, Jehovah, God of Abraham, Allah or whatever.
It doesn't matter to God whether we:
1. Think that Jesus is God or a prophet.
2. Believe that the Bible or the Koran is the word of God or man.
3. Eat pork, dress or pray a certain way.
Who Really Is God ?
God, also known as Allah, Yahweh, Lord, Supreme Being, Jehovah, etc., is a spirit of peace. When the body dies, the deserving soul is received by God into a peaceful co-existence with other souls for eternity. The souls of Prophets, philosophers, holy men, our deceased relatives and even the simplest souls who by their love of humanity and exemplary living, have helped to shape the lives of others, will be there.
Today, we can receive inspiration without intermediaries. Just as radio frequencies are transmitted through space, requiring a transmitter and a receiver, we can receive the blessings of God to guide our daily lives.
God is a loving, peaceful coexistence of spiritual souls, including ours ? In order to be in harmony with others, one has to have synchronization of thought. This requires complete understanding and tolerance of other beliefs, regardless of our own.
Our spirit can often control the well-being of our body. With inspiration from God's Spirit, our spirit, very much like the wind, can carry us through our life's journey and experience the beauty of God's creative powers or we can choose to reject the interaction and muddle through life with no purpose, feeling empty, worthless and lonely. We can resonate despondency and gloom or bloom like the wildflower, bringing joy to many who have contact with us and live our lives with joy and the knowledge that we have a reason for living.
Where Did God Come From ?
God exists in a spiritual dimension and is a union of souls which was created when the first reasoning entity ceased its existence (physical death) in this dimension and entered the spiritual realm. (invisibility)
God's intelligence is ever expanding and grows with the addition of each soul. Every soul is like a separate cell or atom on earth which combines with other cells or atoms to make up the existence of every living person, plant, animal and even the air which sustains all life; so also do souls perform, either individually or in unison. Any soul or spirit that is not with God can not exist, and dies.
Everything evolves or stagnates and dies.
Souls perform individually or cumulatively in the same way as entities in this dimension. Souls are a part of God as we are a part of this earth.
Collective intelligence (God)
God, existing in a spiritual dimension, is cumulative and progressive rather than constant. Project yourself into a scenario whereupon, after your spirit has established a communication link with the Spirit of God, upon your physical demise, all the data that your spirit has accumulated and stored (your soul) is transmitted and received by a database into a spiritual dimension which contains any and all of the knowledge and experiences of the universe. You are now a part of God.
The first reasoning entity was a derivative of our earth, solar system or universe.
Does life exist somewhere else in the universe? Today, over 70 planets are known outside our solar system. There are billions of stars with numerous solar systems. Our knowledge of the universe is in its infancy.
Within the last 200 years air travel, the automobile, telephone, radio, television, computer, electricity, etc., came into existence. Place yourself into a scenario whereby you are on earth several thousand years from now; our present day thinking would be considered antiquated. Would space travel to the next closest solar system be a reality? With our present mode of travel it would take several thousand years.
Is there evidence that God exists ?
Evidence is proof, something that shows what is true. Truth is established by testifying, bearing witness, attesting, declaring under oath that what is testified to, is actuality. In a court of law, as in civil action, evidence is presented and the validity of this evidence is assessed by a judge or jury who rule on it; their decision is accepted and it is determined that proof has been established by a preponderance of the evidence.
Throughout several millenniums evidence has been presented that the Spirit of God has interacted with our spirit via inspiration, to write what are considered Holy Scriptures and to be the cause of miraculous healings, many physicians will attest to the latter. This is evidence, proof of the existence of God.
Evidence of God's existence can also be seen in the compilation and complexities of everything in existence, from the complex DNA makeup of a single cell, to the makeup of the entire universe. To refute this evidence by saying that all is possible without supreme guidance is to ignore proof.
The power of the wind is a small comparison to the power of God's Spirit. The wind can gently caress as it wafts across the land, stirring wildflowers, thereby causing their seeds or pollen to be carried along currents to pollinate another, creating a new life. The wind can also be a force that is unequaled by any other. We can not see the wind. We can not see or physically talk with God, but our spirit can unite and be guided by God's Spirit to accomplish the seemingly impossible.
What Will The Soul Do In Eternity ?
Our life on earth is to prepare us and to give us examples of the hereafter. Everything is progressive and accumulative. We are here to accumulate experiences of feelings, the beauty of every organism that surrounds us, the landscape that adds to our perception; then we can begin our next journey.
We should live our life to its fullest. One hundred years from now, almost every single person alive today will have died. Several billion people, wiped off the face of this earth. Our life is but a blip on the radar screen of time. We are the most important person responsible for whether our soul will live or die. Here we have to learn how to intertwine with a community; there we can experience anything that the imagination can perceive.
Envision yourself as a spirit that is uninhibited by any resistance or external influences; you can travel to any star or planet instantly, explore the beauty of the universe, and still be in sync with God. As an example: Imagine the most advanced form of Virtual Reality that can access a super-computer and place you in whichever setting you desire; you can play with the animals, be with your loved ones, listen to the greatest opera, stage or musical performances, or simply relax next to a bubbling brook and enjoy the scenery. You feel no pain, despair, heartache, or negative emotions unless you so desire.
How does one's soul gets the right to enter eternity. How would you ever know for sure?
A oneness with the Spirit of God, by your deeds (contrary to some biblical teachings) during your lifetime, will determine your soul's destiny. Also, if you deed (pledge, give, transfer) your soul to God, you will know, as you know that God exists, that your soul will be a part of God.
One of our main purposes in life is to prepare our soul to be received by God. If one's spirit is not communicating with the Spirit of God, to them God does not exist because they can not receive evidence to the contrary; they are in incapable of comprehending spiritual reality. Spiritual beings know that they are part of God's Master Plan, as is the universe. Anything that does not evolve, dies.
What Is God Going To Do With All The Sinners ?
Any soul that is not with God can not exist and dies.
Our sins will be overlooked and forgiven, like parents dismiss and forgive their child's transgressions. Any punishment is immediate, without a grudge being retained. God will not interfere with your life on earth or physically harm or punish anyone. The same way a parent makes a child aware when the child has committed a wrong act, the conscience will weigh on the spirit and one with a conscience will be repentant; that is the extent of the punishment. When evil deeds are constant, the conscience gets anesthetized and no longer communicates with the spirit; upon physical death, the spirit dies also.
Sins were invented by people in order to frighten the masses to conform to standards set by people. If our laws are not obeyed, punishment will be by the appropriate government agency. God will not punish sinners here or hereafter.
God Does Not Need Our Prayers
Prayers are for our benefit. We need to pray for guidance to comprehend the purpose of our existence. Through prayers and meditation, inspiration peace and tranquility can be received by our spirit. Harmony with God requires the spirit to be at peace. Our prayers should ask for inspiration and guidance from God to enlighten us and transform our daily lives by being honest, humble, grateful, full of love and good works. Churches, mosques, temples and gathering places help our spirit to rejoice and come closer to the unity and peace of God.
A person afflicted by bodily sufferings can at times be closer to God than one who is in daily turmoil and obsessed with acquiring and hoarding wealth for himself, rather than sharing and making life bearable for the needy. Our only purpose in life is to expand our knowledge and to strive for a peaceful co-existence with an inspirational guidance from God; so as to co-exist with our spiritual partners in harmony through eternity.
Our earth is just a miniscule place in the vast expanse of the universe. God is the supreme intelligence that will guide us by inspiration; the building of other life forms of this universe. Ecstasy cannot aptly describe a soul’s participation in this great undertaking. All our questions will be answered because God is like the storage of all knowledge that can be tapped by every soul and still operate in unison.
Drugs, alcohol or any substance which interferes with, or suppresses the spirit and retards our clear thinking should be avoided. The spirit will rejoice and grow stronger through our appreciation of the beauty of nature, music, song and art. A stronger spirit is closer to God and inspirations from God will guide and heal the mind and soul.
Preachers and Holy Men have been given the responsibility to educate a new generation of minds of the complete truth and to teach tolerance of other religions and other interpretations of God, not just as you perceive the truth or God to be.
Was the spiritual realm where God exists in another dimension ever breached by a man named Jesus ? Was Jesus the son of God, or a prophet and the son of a man ?
Will they who believe that Jesus was a prophet rather than the only son of God be condemned ? Are we not, as according to the bible, children of God, therefore as children, we are also a son or a daughter of God. If Jesus were born now would people believe that he was God ?
Jesus has been appropriately called the "Son of God" and "Prince of Peace". We are often reminded of the teachings of Jesus whose words have survived two millenniums. His disciples kept him alive in the memories of all who heard and believed his words. They, as well as other "Men of God" who contributed to the compilation of the scriptures of the Bible, were inspired by God to give us guidelines to live by.
Christianity states that there is only one straight and narrow road that leads to God. This is incorrect. All roads which lead to God can bring the soul to its destination. The roads may be curved and circular at times, but if one chooses one's objective and abides thereby, the goal will be achieved.
There is a song which should be our daily inspiration. It says, "Open up your heart and let the sun shine in". Judge not lest ye be judged.
Jesus - Died about 30 A.D.. Mark's Gospel presents Jesus as a perfectly normal man with brothers and sisters. Luke's Gospel suggests that Jesus and John The Babtist were actually related. Jesus' teachings stressed love, charity and peace. After his death Jesus' disciples believed that Jesus presented an image of God and began to pray to him. St. Paul believed that God's powers should be made accessible to the goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) and preached the Gospel of Jesus to them. Paul never called Jesus "God". He called him "the Son of God" in its Jewish sense; he did not preach that Jesus had been the incarnation of God himself but that he possessed God's "powers" and "Spirit" which manifested God's activity on earth and were not to be identified with the inaccessible divine essence. Paul created Christianity by referring to Jesus as Christ which was a translation of the Hebrew "Messiach". This doctrine was scandalized by Jews and later the Muslims who found it blasphemous.
The doctrine that Jesus was divine and that Jesus had been God in human form was not finalized until the fourth century.
The Dead Sea Scrolls offer unprecedented information about Jewish religious and political life in Palestine during the turbulent late Second Temple Period (200 B.C. to A.D. 70), a time of great corruption and conflict under Roman rule in Palestine. Scholars estimate that the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden in A.D. 68, when Roman legions reached the Dead Sea during the emperor Vespasian's campaign to Jericho.
The scrolls also shed light on the time when Jesus and John the Baptist lived and early Christians began to organize. Specifically, they offer evidence that early Christian beliefs and practices had precedents in the Jewish sects of the time. Sectarian scrolls tell of people who, like the early Christians, did not believe in the Temple worship of the Pharisees, people who had their own literature, their own rituals-including baptism-and their own beliefs, most significantly beliefs in a messiah, a divine judgment, and an apocalypse. Three different scrolls depict a sacred meal of bread and wine. These similarities as well as parallels between the literary style of certain scrolls and that of the New Testament have led some scholars to claim that Jesus and John the Baptist were either part of or strongly influenced by a sect at the Dead Sea.
Debate has furthered speculation about the historical Jesus, such as the claim that he was a Zealot rather than a pacifist, a theory that does not fit with New Testament tradition but does fit with the history of this period. And one of the most important discoveries in the scrolls has been the use of the name Son of God to refer to someone other than Jesus, implying a cultural use of the term that was not itself synonymous with God.
How do we know that the spirit exists ?
Many of our experiences here are as an example of spiritual life. A child until about the age of 2 is receptive to and believes all that he hears, observes, and is told. This is the most influential period and will greatly shape the remainder of his life; all information is stored with the subconscious. After age 2 independence is exercised and rebellion is the next step. Many teenagers begin to doubt their parents judgment and usually a young adult in his twenties moves away from home. Some will no longer keep in touch with or communicate with the parent. The spirit will also at interval periods sever the line of communication and at times communication with the Spirit of God will cease entirely.
Being with spirit; unless one is completely emotionless, a spirit is present. One may say that emotions are psychological, (of the psyche) structuralism, psychobiological, but they are nevertheless spiritual; which also subscribes to a form of natural selection. Every person is born with a spirit. The spirit is a part of the mother's spirit which is passed down to the fetus. Your conscience relays information to your spirit. Some people may not believe in a spirit because they can not see it but, whether one believes it or not, every person has a spirit. If one's spirit is not communicating with the Spirit of God, to them God does not exist.
The soul and spirit are often considered identical, though the soul has also been referred to as the vessel for the spirit. When the bible refers to talking animals, the originator of that story in all probability was telling it to children, or meant it to be an analogy. Animals do not possess reasoning abilities or souls.
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Is there evidence that God exists ?
Evidence is proof, something that shows what is true. Truth is established by testifying, bearing witness, attesting, declaring under oath that what is testified to, is actuality. In a court of law, as in civil action, evidence is presented and the validity of this evidence is assessed by a judge or jury who rule on it; their decision is accepted and it is determined that proof has been established by a preponderance of the evidence.
Throughout several millenniums evidence has been presented that the Spirit of God has interacted with our spirit via inspiration, to write what are considered Holy Scriptures and to be the cause of miraculous healings, many physicians will attest to the latter. This is evidence, proof of the existence of God.
Evidence of God's existence can also be seen in the compilation and complexities of everything in existence, from the complex DNA makeup of a single cell, to the makeup of the entire universe. To refute this evidence by saying that all is possible without supreme guidance is to ignore proof.
The power of the wind is a small comparison to the power of God's Spirit. The wind can gently caress as it wafts across the land, stirring wildflowers, thereby causing their seeds or pollen to be carried along currents to pollinate another, creating a new life. The wind can also be a force that is unequaled by any other. We can not see the wind. We can not see or physically talk with God, but our spirit can unite and be guided by God's Spirit to accomplish the seemingly impossible.
Artificial Intelligence
Computers in some cases are considered Thinking Machines and are also considered Artificial Intelligence, but they are unable to transfer their intelligence to the spirit or soul. Only the spirit or soul can transgress our dimension in order to transmit its contents.
Artificial Intelligence development, even though it is astounding, is still in its infancy, just as is our understanding of God. Currently no Artificial Intelligence has as yet been able to simulate total human behavior.
Buddhism and Hinduism
Buddhism and Hinduism is a devotion to exalted beings. After the Buddha died at about 5oo B.C. people attempted to reach nirvana, by achieving enlightenment, on their own. During the first century B.C. claims were made that the Buddha had reappeared in human form and statues appeared in India. As in Christianity and Hinduism, there was a yearning for humanized religion and it was thereby integrated into religion.
Religious Diversity when it breeds fanaticism is a dangerous combination.
In U.S.A. there are more than 1500 religious denomination and faith groups,including 900 Christian, 100 Hindu and 75 Buddhist denominations.
The Crusades (1095 -1398) were a series of Christian military expeditions to reclaim the Holy Land from the Muslims. Muslims were considered infidels and a threat to Christianity in the East and the "peace of God" at home. Preachers of the crusade pleaded for all to participate in this holy cause, whether rich or poor, experienced in the military or not. With the cry "Deus Vult!" ("God wills it!") Christians slaughtered Muslims everywhere they went. The fighting was fierce, but the unsuspecting Muslims were no match for the bloodthirsty Crusaders, who killed not only fighting men, but also women and children.
God's way of creating life is beyond the intellectual capacity of man.
Many past theories are presently being reevaluated. The first US patent for a psychokinesis effect was granted to Princeton University researchers on November 3, 1998. Patent "US 5830064" is entitled: Apparatus and method for distinguishing events which collectively exceed chance expectations and thereby controlling an output. This patent specifically covers distant mental control of electronic random number generator outputs.
Starting in the 1980s, well-known scientific journals like Foundations of Physics, American Psychologist, and Statistical Science published articles favorably reviewing the scientific evidence for psychic phenomena. The Proceedings of the IEEE, the flagship journal of the Institute for Electronic and Electrical Engineers, has published major debates on psi research. Invited articles have appeared in the prestigious journal, Brain and Behavioral Sciences. A favorable article on telepathy research appeared in 1994 in Psychological Bulletin, one of the top-ranked journals in academic psychology. An article presenting a theoretical model for precognition appeared in 1994 in Physical Review, a prominent physics journal.
On 1-8-2002 NASA announced a new interpretation of the dawn of cosmic light; this conflicts with the Big-Bang Theory time period. The Hubble images of deep space, close to the beginning of time indicate that at beginning of time, galaxy formation started early and rapidly; not at once, but in only a few million years.
Pascal's Theory or wager was that God is not known through reason but through the heart and that faith is a better guide than reason. I submit that there is sufficient evidence and that by applying intelligent reasoning, one has to come to the conclusion of the probability of God's existence.
Sufficient evidence shown by telepathy, psychokinesis, psychic phenomena, miraculous healings and inspirations also indicates that collective intelligence, (God) existing in a spiritual dimension, is cumulative and progressive rather than constant.
When evidence has been presented , not everyone is convinced as to its validity. The majority decision prevails on evaluating evidence in a civil court trial. If one understands or incorrectly evaluates the evidence that was presented, that is indeed a problem.
I believe that a majority of people believe in God, they do not have to be religious; someone living in the jungle may not have heard of God, yet have their own enlightenment.
One's spirit has to open lines of communication with the Spirit of God in order to receive inspiration from God. This is the only way whereby one will "SEE THE LIGHT".
Cosmological constant was a term introduced by Einstein into his field equations of general relativity to permit a stationary, nonexpanding universe: it has since been abandoned in most models of the universe
In recent years, we have learned that 95% of the Universe is made of a type of matter or energy that we cannot see nor understand. Gravity may ripple across the Universe in waves, and certain cosmic rays, atomic particles moving at near light speed, possess an energy far greater than that which can be explained by modern physics.
Duplicating the harsh conditions of cold interstellar space in their laboratory, NASA scientists have created primitive cells that mimic the membranous structures found in all living things. These chemical compounds may have played a part in the origin of life.
This breakthrough by scientists at NASA Ames Research Center in California's Silicon Valley is important because some scientists believe that the delivery - by comets, meteorites and interplanetary dust - of similar organic compounds born in interstellar space might have "kick-started" life on Earth.
"Scientists believe the molecules needed to make a cell's membrane, and thus for the origin of life, are all over space. This discovery implies that life could be everywhere in the universe," said Dr. Louis Allamandola, the team's leader.
In contrast to current thinking, this new work shows that the early chemical steps believed to be important for the origin of life do not require an already-formed planet. Instead, they seem to take place in deep space long before planet formation occurs. This implies that the vastness of space is filled with chemical compounds which, if they land in a hospitable environment like our Earth, can readily jump-start life.
Some people quote the Bible as the gospel truth of God's words. Does that mean that they who use the Koran or other holy scriptures that were inspired by God are misguided ?
One of our apparent reasons for being here is, in order to justify our beliefs even to ourselves, that we apply logic to our beliefs rather than blindly accept everything that we have read and been told.
Muhammad who lived during a turbulent time of history, was the cause for the writings in the Koran. The goal of all of these "Men of God", who devoted most of their lives to preaching of God, was to help us to fashion our lives to be at peace with the Holy Spirit of God.
ALL religions have the same goals and is up to us to love and to unify, rather than disagree with or judge, other beliefs.
The orthodox Muslim view of the Koran as self-evidently the Word of God, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bible's "inerrancy" and "verbal inspiration" that is still common in many places today.
Not all the Christians think this way about the Bible, however, and in fact, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam (1981) points out, "the closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Kur'an in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ." If Christ is the Word of God made flesh, the Koran is the Word of God made text, and questioning its sanctity or authority is thus considered an outright attack on Islam -- as Salman Rushdie knows all too well.
In 1972, during the restoration of the Great Mosque of Sana'a, in Yemen, laborers working in a loft between the structure's inner and outer roofs stumbled across an unappealing mash of old parchment and paper documents -- damaged books and individual pages of Arabic text, fused together by centuries of rain and dampness, gnawed into over the years by rats and insects. Intent on completing the task at hand, the laborers gathered up the manuscripts, pressed them into some twenty potato sacks.
Some of the parchment pages in the Yemeni hoard seemed to date back to the seventh and eighth centuries A.D., or Islam's first two centuries -- they were fragments, in other words, of perhaps the oldest Korans in existence. What's more, some of these fragments revealed small but intriguing aberrations from the standard Koranic text. Such aberrations, though not surprising to textual historians, are troublingly at odds with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God.
The mainly secular effort to reinterpret the Koran -- in part based on textual evidence such as that provided by the Yemeni fragments -- is disturbing and offensive to many Muslims, just as attempts to reinterpret the Bible and the life of Jesus are disturbing and offensive to many conservative Christians. Nevertheless, there are scholars, Muslims among them, who feel that such an effort, which amounts essentially to placing the Koran in history, will provide fuel for an Islamic revival of sorts -- a reappropriation of tradition, a going forward by looking back. Thus far confined to scholarly argument, this sort of thinking can be nonetheless very powerful and -- as the histories of the Renaissance and the Reformation demonstrate -- can lead to major social change. The Koran, after all, is currently the world's most ideologically influential text.
Martyrs, who by their actions, cause the death of others and cause another soul to die before that soul has had the opportunity to be at peace with the Spirit of God, will not achieve their goals of ultimately being with God.
About The Author
My belief originated in 1956 when I was 15 years old. I had double pneumonia and I thought that I would surely die. I was born in Lithuania in 1941 and my family had to flee to Germany in 1945 when Russia occupied our homeland. In 1950 we immigrated to America. When I became ill in 1956 my father took me to a doctor who gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. We had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remember the drive home vividly. Every breath was extremely painful and my chest felt as though a great weight was upon it. I watched cars and trucks drive by and I wondered how people could make long term plans when life was so unpredictable. At home I read the bible every waking moment and prayed to God to save my soul.
Several nights later, whether in a dream, by inspiration, fever induced fantasy, or some unexplainable reason, I was in a place with a gathering of spirits. I felt the greatest peace, tranquility and ecstasy. I felt a rapture that was beyond a person's imagination. I felt as if I was a part of God. I was mentally communicating and in sync with everyone; all the prophets of the bible, many historical people whom I had read about, many deceased acquaintances and relatives. There was no dominant force, no forceful leader. I somehow knew who everyone was. Every thought was interacted with the whole community. I had no questions; it seemed as if everything was revealed and crystal clear. I saw the universe stretched out before us like a vast expanse with spirits engaged in mental interaction like master craftsmen contemplating the creation of a new frontier.
My father was a Lutheran Preacher who believed that anyone who disagreed with his belief was wrong and would not go to heaven. At age 16, I remember questioned this and told him, "Dad, if you believe that everyone who differs with you will not go to heaven, you will be mighty lonely up there all by yourself".
>Hi Sulphur,
>
>I know there'a lot of anxiety
>about the state of Israel,
>and I don't want to
>add to it, especially because
>I give much attention to
>it. However, I want
>to point out that Israel
>will not be disbanded, or
>at least not permanently.
>
>In the Torah, God prophesied to
>Jacob (Yacoub) that his family
>would leave their home, Palestine,
>going to Egypt and then
>return to it. And
>they did.
>
>God prophesied again that the Israelites
>would leave Palestine to another
>nation because of thier idolatry
>and then return. And
>they did.
>
>Then God prophesied that there would
>be a great dispersion when
>Jews would be forced to
>go to many nations all
>over the world, and yet
>again they would return.
>Starting in 70 AD the
>Diaspora, the "Great Dispersion," took
>place and continued until 1948
>when God fulfilled his promise
>yet again as written in
>the Bible.
>
>Some Biblical scholars think that because
>only these three dispersion are
>mentioned, there will only be
>three and the present Israeli
>state will remain. That
>may be true, I don't
>know. There may be
>yet another breakup and return.
> But I do know
>a point will come when
>Israel is established, never to
>be ended. As God
>said to Hosea and Amos
>the prophets,
>
>For the Israelites will live many
>days without king or prince,
>without sacrifice or sacred stones,
>without ephod or idol.
>Afterward the Israelites will return
>and seek the Lord their
>God and David (messiah, Jesus)
>their king.
>
>"I will plant Israel in their
>own land, never again to
>be uprooted from the land
>I have given them," says
>the Lord your God.
>
>JBJ
Dear JBJ,
I did not mean, the jews must exit the land.
I said, they can not posess the land,
till they accept their sin before the God.
I meant, they must abandon the state as a political organization.
However, this land belongs to nobody but to God
And control for this land must be provided by UN.
See, since the Israel was established,
the soil is burning under their feet.
The war has never stoped there since that time.
Only, when they will understand their purpose,
when they will accept their sin,
when they will come back not to holy land,
but will come back to God,
only then this prophecy will come to life:
"I will plant Israel in their
>own land, never again to
>be uprooted from the land
>I have given them," says
>the Lord your God.
Sincerely,
Simeon
I apologize for subjecting many who read my posting to lengthy dialogue and hereby summarize it. Those who question it, please reread the entire text and then your critiques are welcome.
Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled God for past millenniums as one who interferes with the natural forces and free will of people by threatening punishment to those who disobey his bidding.
God is the Pure Collective Intelligence Of Souls existing in a spiritual realm and does not interfere with anything on earth or in the universe.
>I apologize for subjecting many who
>read my posting to lengthy
>dialogue and hereby summarize it.
>Those who question it, please
>reread the entire text and
>then your critiques are welcome.
>
>
>Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled
>God for past millenniums as
>one who interferes with
>the natural forces and free
>will of people by threatening
>punishment to those who disobey
>his bidding.
>
>God is the Pure Collective Intelligence
>Of Souls existing in a
>spiritual realm and does not
>interfere with anything on earth
>or in the universe.
Dear kkawohl
I used to think the same.
Now I know the Truth.
sulfur
THE TRUTH IS:
The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad, and other Prophets, is the same as the God of today who wants all souls to co-exist in peace and tranquility for eternity. Now our perceptions of God may vary. Today, we can receive inspiration without intermediaries.
Did God ever, and will he ever in the future, interfere with anything that happens on this earth, or is God and the Devil being blamed for our problems and bad decisions ?
God never did and never will interfere with anything that is done on earth. God will not breach the spiritual realm. We no longer need to fear God or Allah, endlessly worship him, dress or look a certain way; all to please a God who is not as we have been told to accept, without having to fear facing his wrath of eternal damnation ?
Our intelligence compared to God is like that of a 2 year old child. God will make allowances for our ignorance.
It doesn't matter to God whether we believe that God is/was:
1. Created by the spirit and soul and evolved to be the supreme intelligence.
2. The beginning, always was, came out of nowhere and created the heavens and earth.
3 The one supreme ruler who dominates the universe.
4. Called God, God Almighty, Jehovah, God of Abraham, Allah or whatever.
It doesn't matter to God whether we:
1. Think that Jesus is God or a prophet.
2. Believe that the Bible or the Koran is the word of God or man.
3. Eat pork, dress or pray a certain way.
And Truth is
God wants His Kingdom
Among the people
God does not want democracy
in Faith of Him
Kingdom of God is coming
The time has come
to rediscover the Truth
and make choice
Or you with God
Or you not with God
and nobody ever
can outsmart God
and God will get
what He wants
The cause is land of Palestine, which God has given to Jews
And than took it from them
for their sin against God
And again
The cause is not ben laden's
The cause is different
God wants His Kingdom
among the people
God wants all people
live by the same rules
God wants all people
play by the same rules
And killing of osama
will not fix the cause
And nobody can outsmart God
because God is best player
Only God can judge
and He is Judging
And this is God
who destroyed Sodom and Gomorra
And this is God
who destroyed symbols of Sodom and Gomorra
And this is God
who destroyed tower of Babylon
And this is God
who does not want the people
make the name for themselves
Nobody may rule
but God
All people need to accept Jesus but
not all people must follow his teachings
Jesus was preaching to Jews
but not to gentiles
and Jesus taught Jews
tolerance and love to enemies
he taught them to understand
their purpose appointed by God
comparing them with salt and light
Jesus was preparing Jews for conquest of the World
conquest with no sword but with Word of God.
The Kingdom of God that preached Jesus
is obedience of all people
to the same Rules and Laws given by God
Christians must follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses
and Moslems must follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses
and all people must follow the Laws
given to people by God thru Moses.
Not Christians and the Church
were told to be a light to the world
but Jews were told to be a light to the world
Bible in superior to Quran
by time but not by importance
both books are from same God
and any controversies are from people
but not from God
The Kingdom of God
is the solution for all problems in the world.
And Israel is the first step
because land of Palestine
does not belong to Hebrew
because God gave this land to Hebrew
and God took this land from Hebrew
for their sin against God
for killing prophet
and God will not forgive them
till they accept their sin
and atone for their sin.
That not I deny the right
of existence of the state of Israel
That is God deny right of Israel
for the land of Palestine
That is God who expelled Israel
from their land
That is God, who gave warning
for punishment for sins (Lev26.33))
and God took this land from Hebrew
for their sin against Him
for rejecting and killing prophet
and God will not forgive them
till they accept their sin
and repent for their sin.
God punished Hebrews for killing prophet
He expelled them from the Promised Land
And they still do not want
to accept their sin before God
and atone for their sin
That is why they can not claim
any rights to the land of Palestine.
God took this land
only God may give this land
God gave this land
and God took this land
for killing the prophet
But gilt for killing Jesus
bears all people
as they proved that
during the all time
of their existence.
Jews rejected Jesus
was born Christianity
Christians rejected Muhammad
was born Islam
Muslims rejected Nanak
was born Sikhism
And new religion always
appeared after rejection
Therefore all people bear gilt
for rejecting and killing of prophet
and Jews must accept their sin for rejecting the messiah
and accept Jesus as a king of Jews
Christians must accept their sin for rejecting the prophet
and Muslims too
everyone has gilt before God
Not a one can force Hebrews for repentance
because we all are in Great sin before God
absolutely the same sin that of Hebrews
for rejecting God's Word
for rejecting God's Prophets
and open your eyes
and take a look around
it is God who forcing us
to atone and to repent
Definitely it will happen
and definitely for Glory of God
but take a look, what time is it?
It has come.
You should read all scriptures
including Koran
to understand things
Seek truth
not only where your sect allows you
The Kingdom of God
And it is coming
Wake up my friend
lest you die
They should go to messiah
and ask him, what to do
- to save the world,
and messiah will tell them
- take the lead. Be what God has chosen you for
Be the light of the world
Be the salt of the earth
Be the holy priests for other nations
Be the good example to other nations
be the teachers to other people
teach them what God taught you
teach them laws of God,
given through Moses
Show other people
how to repent before God
How to atone for the sins
Clean yourself from sins
atone before God
God loves people.
God does not want people to fight.
God wants for people to live in peace and in harmony
That is why God sending His prophets to people
And all prophets are saying all the same
And people refuse prophets of God
And new religions are forming
And people killing prophets
And people do not know what they must to know
People do not know, what God wants from them
And God wants His Kingdom among the people
God wants all people live by His Laws and Rules
Given to people through Moses
by His Laws and Rules same for all people
God does not want to divide people
God wants people to unite around Him
Turn their faces toward the Master
And heed to Him
Then wars disappear from the face of the earth
And people will never learn to fight again
Jesus was preaching only to Hebrews.
Because, as per Plan of God, mission of Jesus was of two parts.
First, he become king of Jews.
And then lead Jews to conquer the world with Word of God.
Jesus died before he accomplished first part
Jesus died not for our sins
but because of our sins
Simeon
Christianity states that there is only one straight and narrow road that leads to God. This is incorrect. All roads which lead to God can bring the soul to its destination. The roads may be curved and circular at times, but if one chooses one's objective and abides thereby, the goal will be achieved.
There is a song which should be our daily inspiration. It says, "Open up your heart and let the sun shine in". Judge not lest ye be judged.
Jesus - Died about 30 A.D.. Mark's Gospel presents Jesus as a perfectly normal man with brothers and sisters. Luke's Gospel suggests that Jesus and John The Babtist were actually related. Jesus' teachings stressed love, charity and peace. After his death Jesus' disciples believed that Jesus presented an image of God and began to pray to him. St. Paul believed that God's powers should be made accessible to the goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) and preached the Gospel of Jesus to them. Paul never called Jesus "God". He called him "the Son of God" in its Jewish sense; he did not preach that Jesus had been the incarnation of God himself but that he possessed God's "powers" and "Spirit" which manifested God's activity on earth and were not to be identified with the inaccessible divine essence. Paul created Christianity by referring to Jesus as Christ which was a translation of the Hebrew "Messiach". This doctrine was scandalized by Jews and later the Muslims who found it blasphemous.
The doctrine that Jesus was divine and that Jesus had been God in human form was not finalized until the fourth century.
The Dead Sea Scrolls offer unprecedented information about Jewish religious and political life in Palestine during the turbulent late Second Temple Period (200 B.C. to A.D. 70), a time of great corruption and conflict under Roman rule in Palestine. Scholars estimate that the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden in A.D. 68, when Roman legions reached the Dead Sea during the emperor Vespasian's campaign to Jericho.
The scrolls also shed light on the time when Jesus and John the Baptist lived and early Christians began to organize. Specifically, they offer evidence that early Christian beliefs and practices had precedents in the Jewish sects of the time. Sectarian scrolls tell of people who, like the early Christians, did not believe in the Temple worship of the Pharisees, people who had their own literature, their own rituals-including baptism-and their own beliefs, most significantly beliefs in a messiah, a divine judgment, and an apocalypse. Three different scrolls depict a sacred meal of bread and wine. These similarities as well as parallels between the literary style of certain scrolls and that of the New Testament have led some scholars to claim that Jesus and John the Baptist were either part of or strongly influenced by a sect at the Dead Sea.
Debate has furthered speculation about the historical Jesus, such as the claim that he was a Zealot rather than a pacifist, a theory that does not fit with New Testament tradition but does fit with the history of this period. And one of the most important discoveries in the scrolls has been the use of the name Son of God to refer to someone other than Jesus, implying a cultural use of the term that was not itself synonymous with God.
Dear friend,
I agree with you on many points,
but I'm talking here about Laws.
Philosophy is the way to find the Truth
And the Truth is
That God does not want people to fight,
And He gives to people the Way to live in peace
To live His Way means
To live by a set of just Laws,
That is equally binding on every person
And we do not have to invent something new
And we do not have to run polls
And we do not have to choose by which laws to live
We do not have choice
The Laws are given already
And given by God
And people need only accept those Laws
And begin to live by those Laws
And if any law of any country
Or any law of any group of people
Contradict with Laws given by God
Then that country or group must be forced
To synchronize their way of living
To the Way given by God.
And then people “shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks:
Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war any more.”(Isaiah2.2-4)
Sincerely, Simeon
Netcurtains
23-02-2002, 13:41
Hi sulphur,
you over extended your position without thinking it through to a logical end point.
You said this: "...That is equally binding on every person
And we do not have to invent something new
And we do not have to run polls
And we do not have to choose by which laws to live
"
Some points: how much money (exactly) should we give to the health service, transport, education? What speed are we allowed to drive at (does the Qu'ran or bible say the maximum speed on a motorway)? Air transport - what laws does the bible/Qu'ran have?
Who should be allowed to be a doctor - anyone or someone who is qualified? There are THOUSANDS of NEW LAWS.
Should the rich pay a bigger percentage of their income or should all pay the same percentage tax? Should taxation be DIRECT (eg INCOME) or INDIRECT (VAT)? If we just stuck to the OLD LAWS then we will have a medieval culture (a bit like Afghanistan). I've nothing against medieval cultures but why are they better then modern? Every Islamic state I've read about has air transport and motor cars - what laws do they use to control the traffic?
Dear friend,
Read Torah.
There you may find all answers to all your Q's.
Netcurtains
23-02-2002, 16:36
LAST EDITED ON 23-02-02 AT 09:31 PM (GMT)[p]Hi,
I have read the Torah - more or less from cover to cover and it is very boring I can assure you.
Every single (yes EVERY SINGLE) person I've met sees something different. Lock two "Holy" men in a room (OF THE SAME RELIGION AND OF THE SAME DENOMINATION OF THAT RELIGION) and within a short time you'll have a religious disagreement.
You are assuming that humans are all the same and will see the same things in the Bible/Qu'ran/Torah - they will not. Look at Islam - there are loads of denominations, its almost a mirror image of Christianity and Buddhism. Some Islamics have ayatollahs which are similiar in concept to "popes" or "dalai lama". Just as many Muslims do not accept "ayatollahs Marje’" many Christians do not accept "popes" and many Buddhists do not accept "dalai lamas". I haven't even begun to look at the Jewish religion but I can assure you it is split every which way and then some (just like all the others).
Democracy and an Independent Legal system allows people to be 100% islamic or Buddhist or Christian and all get along with one another without fighting.
Jesus - to us Christians was one of the first people to realise (perhaps THE FIRST - not sure on that point) that religious laws were not working - they needed to be SCRAPPED ENTIRELY and replaced with GOD IS LOVE.
Lets Examine the religious Laws on Pork:
a) the law:
"Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you" (Leviticus 11:8; and Deuteronomy 14:8).
There are laws that obviously make a great deal of sense in Israel and Arabia. Pork is a KILLER meat. It goes off very very quickly in a hot climate. However in Germany (where us Saxons and Celts came from) the climate is much colder. There is no medical problem at all with eating Pork. God never said to the Germans "don't eat Pork" because God is wise. The ONE God of the German tribe never had such a law. However the very same God said to the Jews and the Arabs "DON'T EAT PORK ITS DANGEROUS". He said this because he is wise.
We now have refridgeration.
b) Jesus's Solution
Jesus had already anticipated this change, according to Mark 7:14-20. He taught that "whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him" since it merely enters the stomach and passes on. Rather, he said, it is what comes "from within, out of the heart of man" that defiles.
Mark adds the explanatory comment, "Thus he declared all foods clean." But Scottish scholar Hugh Anderson said Jesus' words were only gradually understood as eliminating kosher laws; otherwise the early Christians wouldn't have debated these practices.
Don't start with what is LEGAL start with what is SENSIBLE and LOVING. Go back to Child care. You have "laws" for your children but they change with circumstances and they all make rational sense that the child can clearly understand - eg don't put your fingers in a plug socket because you might get an electric shock.
Don't eat pork because it will make you ill.
Dear Sulphur and others:
Really this thread has become a discussion that's tending away from the main idea of this discussion board which is about Islam, and the Comparative Religion Forum is about Islam and other religions. This is also implicit from the name of this discussion board.
So as we think this tread is getting nowhere, and really the debate on Christianity and scriptures such as Jewish ones should be discussed elsewhere in other discussion boards not this one.
I'm locking this thread on behalf of the Moderators of this Forum, and any request to respond to anu of the posts must be addressed either to me, or to the Moderators.
Salaams - Peace!
Tayeb
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