Matrix
10-09-2002, 06:33
More American insight into what they believe Islam to be:
"With...ALL...due...respect, you are NOT talking about what is going on in the real world! The "justice" of which you speak that the Muslims in the Middle East want so strongly is impossible without the total destruction of the state of Israel and the conversion, enslavement or murder of all Jews and Christians that might have any [perverted] influence on Islam.
Most of the Muslims in the Middle East are going to be celebrating wildly on Wednesday and you damn well know it!
Please stop trying to feed us all this tripe about Islam being a religion of peace. That is a load of camel s*** and you know that too if you have really studied the Qur'an and the teachings of The Prophet Mohammad.
Please stop trying to explain to us how it is only a minority of crazy, radical Muslims who have perverted your religion that are responsible for the current war on the civilized world.
Simply put, the facts don't come close to bearing you out.
I was a history major in college. I am a retired naval officer who has had many contacts with Middle Easterners in my careers. I am also a former teacher of Saudis. I think I understand Islamic culture, history, and the Qur'an better than most westerners. I have spent the last year researching this war and what caused it. I absolutely believe that for a number of reasons, most Muslims wish us evil...most but not all. You may not know any...you surely don't wish your country and your fellow Americans ill...but the sad fact is that millions of Muslims around the world do. Now there are men with weapons out there that are willing to die to achieve their goals. We are to be killed, any way possible, with any weapon they can get their hands on...the more bang for their buck, the better. Sadly too, this war will NOT end until many thousands of your brothers and sisters in religion are dead, quite possibly with many more Americans.
I harbor deep anger for what your fellow Muslims have done to my country and my people. I want them all dead...and I want any country, state, or leader that supports, harbors, funds, or protects the terrorists dead too. I've given up on being nice...I simply want them all room temp and rotting in the desert sun.
Saddam is next. When he goes, then we turn to his neighbors and simply say...NEXT?
Not until we gain control of the Middle East and destroy all of the rat b****** radicals are we EVER going to have peace...there and here.
Please...no more excuses...nor rationalizations. Far too many of your brother Muslims want a horrible death for all of us. Wake up and smell the coffee."
American view #2:
"As far as I know, the muslim religion is the only one that considers followers of other faiths not to be "gentiles", as the Jewish would say, but instead calls them "infidels" and would rather kill us than have to work to convert us.
It is the most aggressive, dangerous religion of all. No other religion allows killing of other human beings under so many different circumstances. I'm sure there's a rule somewhere in the muslim religion that allows you to kill someone for looking at you funny...or even for THINKING of looking at you funny.
I envision a perfect world. A world where the muslim religion has been wiped out like all the other plagues.
Flame me if you like. Bring it on. I'm so sick of being told to be tolerant of these most intolarant muslims that I can't stand it. I hate everything they stand for. I don't believe that they stand for peace, harmony, or freedom, and I have plenty of evidence to support this belief, so their beliefs don't parallel mine or that of any other freedom lover I know.
Granted, there are some moderate muslims. My anger isn't focused on them, but on the radicals and extremists, of which there are many. I want to see those radicals and extremists vanish in a nuclear fire.
And it has nothing to do with race. Just an ideology that enslaves its own followers and encourages the killing of those who follow a different path."
So...any thoughts on how to address these people...with patience?
By the way, these are the milder of the posts that I have been involved in & I edited out the cursing with **** marks. Hopefully, I won't get banned! :-(
"With...ALL...due...respect, you are NOT talking about what is going on in the real world! The "justice" of which you speak that the Muslims in the Middle East want so strongly is impossible without the total destruction of the state of Israel and the conversion, enslavement or murder of all Jews and Christians that might have any [perverted] influence on Islam.
Most of the Muslims in the Middle East are going to be celebrating wildly on Wednesday and you damn well know it!
Please stop trying to feed us all this tripe about Islam being a religion of peace. That is a load of camel s*** and you know that too if you have really studied the Qur'an and the teachings of The Prophet Mohammad.
Please stop trying to explain to us how it is only a minority of crazy, radical Muslims who have perverted your religion that are responsible for the current war on the civilized world.
Simply put, the facts don't come close to bearing you out.
I was a history major in college. I am a retired naval officer who has had many contacts with Middle Easterners in my careers. I am also a former teacher of Saudis. I think I understand Islamic culture, history, and the Qur'an better than most westerners. I have spent the last year researching this war and what caused it. I absolutely believe that for a number of reasons, most Muslims wish us evil...most but not all. You may not know any...you surely don't wish your country and your fellow Americans ill...but the sad fact is that millions of Muslims around the world do. Now there are men with weapons out there that are willing to die to achieve their goals. We are to be killed, any way possible, with any weapon they can get their hands on...the more bang for their buck, the better. Sadly too, this war will NOT end until many thousands of your brothers and sisters in religion are dead, quite possibly with many more Americans.
I harbor deep anger for what your fellow Muslims have done to my country and my people. I want them all dead...and I want any country, state, or leader that supports, harbors, funds, or protects the terrorists dead too. I've given up on being nice...I simply want them all room temp and rotting in the desert sun.
Saddam is next. When he goes, then we turn to his neighbors and simply say...NEXT?
Not until we gain control of the Middle East and destroy all of the rat b****** radicals are we EVER going to have peace...there and here.
Please...no more excuses...nor rationalizations. Far too many of your brother Muslims want a horrible death for all of us. Wake up and smell the coffee."
American view #2:
"As far as I know, the muslim religion is the only one that considers followers of other faiths not to be "gentiles", as the Jewish would say, but instead calls them "infidels" and would rather kill us than have to work to convert us.
It is the most aggressive, dangerous religion of all. No other religion allows killing of other human beings under so many different circumstances. I'm sure there's a rule somewhere in the muslim religion that allows you to kill someone for looking at you funny...or even for THINKING of looking at you funny.
I envision a perfect world. A world where the muslim religion has been wiped out like all the other plagues.
Flame me if you like. Bring it on. I'm so sick of being told to be tolerant of these most intolarant muslims that I can't stand it. I hate everything they stand for. I don't believe that they stand for peace, harmony, or freedom, and I have plenty of evidence to support this belief, so their beliefs don't parallel mine or that of any other freedom lover I know.
Granted, there are some moderate muslims. My anger isn't focused on them, but on the radicals and extremists, of which there are many. I want to see those radicals and extremists vanish in a nuclear fire.
And it has nothing to do with race. Just an ideology that enslaves its own followers and encourages the killing of those who follow a different path."
So...any thoughts on how to address these people...with patience?
By the way, these are the milder of the posts that I have been involved in & I edited out the cursing with **** marks. Hopefully, I won't get banned! :-(