It was all her fault!

[jraison49]

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[Tayeb]

Though she isn't so helpless as she looks here, very funny indeed :D :D :D

[lubna]

Ahhh the oppression of the western woman, she still is not liberated....they were all in it together but lets just blame the female anyway!! still no equality of rights after all those years of voicing in the feminist movements..... :)

the blame of original sin is never gonna leave her.....until of course she leaves her religion ;)

[NonMuslimGirl]

the blame of original sin is never gonna leave her

:confused:

[lubna]

Assalamoalykum and hello

oh no! not again...whats going on....am i getting too intellectual or too abstract! people are finding hard to understand me..... ;)

dear nonmuslim girl,in my remark

''the blame of original sin is never gonna leave her''

i am referring to the christian beleif ,that it was Eve who led Adam astray in eating the forbidden fruit i.e original sin which is contrary to the Quraan , and by the word ''her'' i dont mean Lynndie England in particular but the western/nonmuslim/christain woman in general.

peace (through justice)
lubna

[NonMuslimGirl]

As
i am referring to the christian beleif ,that it was Eve who led Adam astray in eating the forbidden fruit i.e original sin which is contrary to the Quraan , and by the word ''her'' i dont mean Lynndie England in particular but the western/nonmuslim/christain woman in general.


Salaam!!!

I undestood that Lubna, but FYI... nobody cares about the so called "original sin". It's not like we (Christian women-Christians in general) take it seriously. Almost nobody believes in it because almost nobody believes in Adam and Eve... ;) Well, but that's for another forum... anyway... blame? No way! :D

[Mr Green]

Ahhh the oppression of the western woman, she still is not liberated....they were all in it together but lets just blame the female anyway!! still no equality of rights after all those years of voicing in the feminist movements..... :)

the blame of original sin is never gonna leave her.....until of course she leaves her religion ;)

Salaams

And what of the oppression of the Muslim woman?? She also still is not liberated, despite the progressive and liberating original teachings of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws), all those years ago.

We may not have original sin in our religion, but there are still tendencies to denigrate women in some so-called Islaamic concepts today, and one could argue that there is a thread that runs through all of the way many view the place of women in Islaam that places women in an inferior position to men. This is not what the Holy Prophet (saws) brought and taught, but the result of a society who found it difficult to accept and indeed understand where the Holy Prophet (saws) was coming from on this as on other topics. The Holy Prophet (saws) was truly a feminist ahead of his time, the problem is that those who came after were not of the same calibre of man, and so either intentionally or un-intentionally misunderstood him and his teachings.

Yes, Islaam at the time of the Holy Prophet (saws) gave more rights to women than any other religion at the time, but we have moved on from there now, and so discussion about the role of women in Islaam needs also to move on. We shouldn't be discussing the role of women in Christianity vs the role of women in Islaam, because it is just not really so relevant. What we should be talking about is the role of women/men today. Period. Not everything that the Holy Prophet (saws) brought and taught was universal. He brought and taught universal concepts and particular applications of those universal concepts that were suitable and appropriate for the needs of his time and the very patriarchal society in which he lived. Even then, his teachings were very progressive.

Wa salaams

[lubna]

hello non muslimgirl
so you understood it but you dont agree with it , thats a half releif for me..... :)

but you are proving my point by saying,

''Almost nobody believes in it because almost nobody believes in Adam and Eve... ''
and that point is that western/christian woman did leave the religion. cos beleiving in Adam and Eve is a religious beleif and a very prime one too . and not for only christianty but judaism and islam too....

salam Mr Green,

looks like you have missed my sarcasm when i said,

''Ahhh the oppression of the western woman, she still is not liberated''

cos the whole lying media machine is busy focussing the oppression of the muslim woman, and they are hiding the oppression of the western woman that is going on for centuries though keeps on changing its forms.

what they dont know is what appears to them an oppression is in reality the freedom of a woman in islam, like hijab,staying home, looking after the future generation etc inshort keeping the fundamental of a society strong i.e family .
to them liberation of a woman begins with liberating her off her clothes and releiving her off her family responsibilties!!
but a muslim woman, ok may be some are too clever too faal for thier trap as they have seen the plight of a western woman.
the cultural oppression of a muslim woman has nothing to do with islam as the media is trying to do. and the proof of this is that if the muslim women are still oppressed then how come a lot of western women are reverting to islam? and putting the hijaab on?
but in the oppression of a western woman there is a big hand of thier religion too...i.e from Eve they made her Evil..... :) so the only solace for some of them is in islam Alhumdulillah. yes even after the oppression done to muslim woman by some of thier men.
they know the formula of islam is perfect its just that some men put the wrong ingredients. so they take the formula and not the ingridents from them :) .

p.s islam is the religion for all mankind for all times...period.what was right in prophet muhammad saw time is still right!! only we have deviated from the path. we just need to get back to the track and not to make new tracks!!

wassalam
lubna

[Mr Green]

hello non muslimgirl
so you understood it but you dont agree with it , thats a half releif for me..... :)

but you are proving my point by saying,

''Almost nobody believes in it because almost nobody believes in Adam and Eve... ''
and that point is that western/christian woman did leave the religion. cos beleiving in Adam and Eve is a religious beleif and a very prime one too . and not for only christianty but judaism and islam too....

salam Mr Green,

looks like you have missed my sarcasm when i said,

''Ahhh the oppression of the western woman, she still is not liberated''

cos the whole lying media machine is busy focussing the oppression of the muslim woman, and they are hiding the oppression of the western woman that is going on for centuries though keeps on changing its forms.

what they dont know is what appears to them an oppression is in reality the freedom of a woman in islam, like hijab,staying home, looking after the future generation etc inshort keeping the fundamental of a society strong i.e family .
to them liberation of a woman begins with liberating her off her clothes and releiving her off her family responsibilties!!
but a muslim woman, ok may be some are too clever too faal for thier trap as they have seen the plight of a western woman.
the cultural oppression of a muslim woman has nothing to do with islam as the media is trying to do. and the proof of this is that if the muslim women are still oppressed then how come a lot of western women are reverting to islam? and putting the hijaab on?
but in the oppression of a western woman there is a big hand of thier religion too...i.e from Eve they made her Evil..... :) so the only solace for some of them is in islam Alhumdulillah. yes even after the oppression done to muslim woman by some of thier men.
they know the formula of islam is perfect its just that some men put the wrong ingredients. so they take the formula and not the ingridents from them :) .

p.s islam is the religion for all mankind for all times...period.what was right in prophet muhammad saw time is still right!! only we have deviated from the path. we just need to get back to the track and not to make new tracks!!

wassalam
lubna

Salaams lubna

I didn't miss your sarcasm. However, underlying that sarcasm there is the suggestion that in the West women are oppressed (still), and I agree with you, they have not been truly liberated, whilst in an Islaamic society they would not be oppressed, but truly liberated.

I don't have any argument with hijaab (if that is the woman's choice; indeed I think it to be the best way of practicing outward modesty), staying at home (if that is most appropriate and the woman's choice) and the preservation of good old-fashioned family values, as preserved in Islaam.

You are right, much of the oppression of women that does go on in Muslim lands and households is the result of cultural bias and innovation, rather than Islaam.

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Wa salaams

[Sadika]

Salaams:

It seems Br Green doesn't miss any opportunity to bash Ahadeeth and if possible use stereotypes of those that misunderstand Islam.

Enough is said, the mask is off and Br Green is showing again his true presence here of doubting the veracity of the Holy Qur'an and his outwardly abhorrance of the Ahadeeth.

Let's not discuss for sake of missing out the main theme for me, the Holy Qur'an. You are telling us that "the Qur'aanic laws on inheritance and witnesses" aren't "appropriate for all time"? Hence, are you proposing revisionism of the Holy Qur'an? A reinterpretation to suit today's needs the veracity of what you consider to be true now?

You are mixing things when you start bringing things like that of Harvard University professor and illeterate, why don't you compare Harvard University woman professor and a Shaikh from Al-Azhar University?

So now that your mask is off Br Green are you going to start violating the rules of this discussion board?

[Mr Green]

Salaams:

It seems Br Green doesn't miss any opportunity to bash Ahadeeth and if possible use stereotypes of those that misunderstand Islam.

Enough is said, the mask is off and Br Green is showing again his true presence here of doubting the veracity of the Holy Qur'an and his outwardly abhorrance of the Ahadeeth.

Let's not discuss for sake of missing out the main theme for me, the Holy Qur'an. You are telling us that "the Qur'aanic laws on inheritance and witnesses" aren't "appropriate for all time"? Hence, are you proposing revisionism of the Holy Qur'an? A reinterpretation to suit today's needs the veracity of what you consider to be true now?

You are mixing things when you start bringing things like that of Harvard University professor and illeterate, why don't you compare Harvard University woman professor and a Shaikh from Al-Azhar University?

So now that your mask is off Br Green are you going to start violating the rules of this discussion board?

Salaams

I would prefer a considered response to the content of my posting rather than an attack on my supposed intentions.

Wa salaams

[BinZiad]

Assallamu aliakum.

Quoting from the RULES page located at the top, which we all adhere to;

3 - Attacks against Islam
No attacks against Islam in any form will be tolerated on this discussion board. This includes, but is not limited to attacks on the Qur'an, Muhammad (pbuh), his family and companions, or any other prophets in Islam, or Islamic scholars, past or present.

Brother, Mr Green, You have been told the nature of this board, ie. For Dawah, your comments which have been highlighted by sister sadika, show that you are still not aware that, the nature of the Quran, being not perfect or complete is not a discussion that can take place here. As brother Tayeb and others explained.

You have alot of knowledge and experience, which we should share and learn from, and stay away from things that may cause problems amougst us and to stop the work of Dawah here.

Hope you understand, and Thankyou jrasion for this post, very funny indeed.

Your Brother, BinZiad.