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lubna
04-10-2004, 21:54
Assalamoalykum all

a very good article by yamin zakaria along with some feed back from some readers. inshaAllah we will all find it very enlightening.

may Allah guide us all to the truth and make His deen prevail the lands Ameen

wassalam
lubna

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The Islamic Verdict on Hostages

In times of war, Islamic law permits the taking of hostages from the enemy camp and they can be: released, ransomed or punished appropriately. Ideally, the choice exercised should be taken in the interest of Islam and the immediate community concerned. However, the Muslims will be constrained and influenced by two external factors. First of all, the behaviour of the enemies with regards to how they are treating the Muslim prisoners and conducting the war in general; secondly, the military capability of the Muslims in comparison to their enemies.

The first two options of releasing the prisoners or ransoming them for a price are not disputed. But the latter category of punishing the prisoners has caused some level of controversy due to the recent abduction of foreigners by the Iraqi resistance. Many of the Muslims, in particular the moderate brigades, unfortunately, even some of the so-called radical groups have capitulated to the media generated pressure around them have started to issue erroneous verdict on the matter, that, not only contradicts Islam but common sense.

They have adopted the language of these belligerent aggressors by exclusively condemning the abduction of a small number of foreigners by the Iraqi resistance. Whilst remaining mute on the thousands of innocent civilians taken as hostage from their homes. They are subsequently tortured, abused, and some have even been murdered. The abductions of the foreign and Iraqi hostages are certainly related like married couples, even though the media pretends, that, they are divorced!

Just to digress a little – it is worthwhile noting the use of the word ‘foreign’ with regards to the Iraqi resistance. Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi from Jordan, across the artificial colonial installed border, sharing the same blood, culture, language and religion is a foreigner according to the occupying forces! So, who are the Australians and the Americans that have come from thousands of miles way across the ocean? Do they hold the Iraqi Green-Card issued by the former CIA operative Iyad Allawi? We certainly do not hear the Iraqis referring to the small number of Arabs/Muslims who have come across the border to aid the Iraqi resistance as foreigners: to the contrary how could they operate without the approval of the indigenous Iraqis?

Let us first examine the evidences pertaining to the permissibility to punish and execute prisoners of war. One should bear in mind that in Islamic law, there are mandatory obligations and prohibitions. And between these two rigid points, lies what is permitted, a matter of choice, to be selected as the best option on what should be done.

Islamic Evidences


Muslims are generally encouraged to treat the prisoners well; there are sayings (Hadiths) of the Prophet (SAW) on this matter. And he said, treat the prisoners well. The companions (Sahabas) of the Prophet (SAW) used to feed the prisoners with better food before feeding themselves. There are numerous incidences of where Muslims have released captives unharmed or for a very small price. No torture or humiliation was exercised over them.

Indeed, the Taliban treated the prisoners far better than the US forces reciprocated. They mass murdered the prisoners with their hands tied behind their backs, as was reported by Robert Fisk of the Independent along with pictures. Similarly, prior to the gruesome revelations of Abu-Ghraib, the Muslims did not behead the hostages; they treated their prisoners far better, given that the Iraqis are the real victims in defending their lands. Recently the two Italian women released from captivity also confirmed the good treatment by their open support for the Iraqi resistance.

However, the issue of treating the prisoners well is not an absolute decisive command but an advice. Furthermore there are other evidences that show the permissibility to execute prisoners of war they are elaborated below.


a) Battle of Badr

After the battle of Badr, the Muslims acquired prisoners of war. Some of the companions of the Prophet (Sahabas) were inclined to ransom them for money whilst others took the more stern view, that, they should be executed. The Prophet (SAW) opted for the lenient option. However, it was the latter point of view that was upheld by the revelation, meaning that, execution was not only permitted but in this instance the preferred thing to do.

“It is not fitting for an Apostle (Muhammad) that he should have prisoners of war, until he has thoroughly subdued the land. You look on the temporal goods of this world but Allah (SWT) looks to the hereafter” (8:67)

Another incidence after Badr was the capture of the notorious Umayah ibn Khalaf and his son; they were the owners and torturers of Bilal (RA). When Bilal (RA) spotted them as prisoners of Abdul Rahman bin Auf (RA), he with the help of the residents of Medina (Ansars) cut the two prisoners to pieces for their earlier belligerent activity. Similar punishment was given to the tortures of Abu-Ghraib in Fallujah for their heinous crime! The Prophet (SAW) did not rebuke the action of Bilal therefore consented to the execution of these prisoners of war.

The Prophet also have ordered the execution of three prisoners of Badr by the name of Ruqba bin Abi Muwayed, Nadr bin Harith, Tuima bin Adiee, another clear evidence of the permissibility to execute the Prisoners of war.

b) The incident with the Jewish tribe of Banu-Quraiza

The tribe of Banu-Quraiza committed treachery against the Muslims; they were taken as captives and all the adult men were put to death, around 600 men. Note, all of the adult male captives were slain not just those who committed the breach. Why? Because, they were engaged with the Muslims as a nation hence punished as a nation.

c) The Quran

Apart from the abovementioned verse (8:67), the chapter of Muhammad (47:4) also alludes to the permissibility or in this case recommendation to execute prisoners of war. It states:

“Therefore, when you meet (battlefields) the unbelievers smite their necks; At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them bind (the captives) firmly: therefore either Generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burden.” (47:4)


Here, the verse clearly recommending the execution of prisoners until the Muslims have the upper hand. Then, they are encouraged to either set them free or ransom them. The use of the word “smite their necks” (Darab ar-Riqab) refers to execution as oppose to the general killing in the battlefields mentioned in the other verse where it uses the word “Qatil”

There are other evidences but the abovementioned evidences should suffice to prove the point that the Muslims have the three options in dealing with the prisoners of war. In general, they should treat the prisoners well but at certain times, harsh measures may be more suitable and necessary. These situations arise primarily due to the circumstances imposed upon the Muslims, as stated earlier the treatment of prisoners will be influenced by the behaviour of the enemy and the huge disparity in the military capability between the Muslims and non-Muslims. Hence let us briefly examine these external factors.

External Factors


Moazzam Begg, the British captive held at Guantanamo Bay, who was originally kidnapped from Pakistan by the US, has clearly stated in his letter about the use of torture, abuse, and other forms of violations. He has even witnessed the torturing of prisoners to death by the US authority. The Iraqis and the world have already witnessed the inhuman brutality of the US soldiers in Abu-Ghraib. Where even young boys and girls were subjected to rape, sodomy, torture and other forms of sexual perversion that is definitely ‘foreign’ to the Arab/Islamic culture. It certainly does not come from ‘foreigners’ like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!

Seymour Hersh revealed that young Iraqi boys were sodomised and shrieking whilst they were being filmed as souvenirs for their friends and relatives back at home. Speaks volume about these subhumans, exhibiting a behaviour that is worse than animals! When the Pentagon showed the pictures and videos, implicit references were made to executions and Necrophilia committed by the US soldiers. If this were not an American phenomenon, why else did Arnold Schwarzenegger recently abolish Necrophilia in California?


The abuse is not confined to Abu-Ghraib. Recent investigations by American legal investigators [1] have once again showed that torture and rape is rampant throughout the U.S.-run prison system in Iraq. Such incidences are still occurring. Proving the point that Abu-Ghraib was only a sample of what was caught on camera, the real horror is much greater.


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lubna
04-10-2004, 21:57
Therefore, the Iraqis are entitled to inflict equivalent punishment on the non-Muslims prisoners in retaliation and as a means to deter the enemy from abusing the Iraqi prisoners. Here too, the Muslims have excelled. Beheading a handful of captives is far less painful than being tortured to death as acknowledged by Nick Bergs father. Even the degrading sexual torture can be worse than beheading.

However, that only applies to those who have some degree of self-respect and honour. Sexual abuse inflicted on Lyndie England unlikely to constitute punishment but rather a kind of titillation. Indeed, such examples highlight that Islam is indeed very different from the secular fanaticism of ‘freedom’!

The US forces have also used heavy weapons in civilian populated areas without any regards for their life. If the US truly wanted to minimise civilian casualties why their ‘brave’ and well-equipped soldiers could not engage in a hand-to-hand combat? Incineration and beheading by the use of high-tech weapons entitles the Iraqi resistance to behead and dismember the captives who are party to the conflict, directly or indirectly.

Even if the US forces treated the Muslim prisoners well, the Iraqi resistance would still be entitled to execute their prisoners or resort to other harsh measures as they have been invaded. Hence, it could be used as a form of deterrence and retribution. Furthermore, given the huge disparity between the US firepower and the Iraqi resistance, they are naturally entitled to use such means to defend themselves.

In addition to common sense, there is the general permission in Islamic law to widen the scope of permissibility in order to survive, provided it is a legitimate action of self-defence which is not disputed in the case of Iraq.

Many have argued, that, politically and militarily it is better to restrict the target to the combatants. Of course, nobody disputes this but due to the vast disparity between the Iraqi resistance and the US forces, their options are very limited.
Status of non-Combatants

This brings us to the final argument about who is a non-combatant. Some people have argued civilian contractors and charity workers are not legitimate targets. Many of these people have entered Iraq under the flag of the US, who is an illegal occupier. Even the UN Secretary has endorsed this point as he admitted, that the war was a violation of the UN Charter. Thus, the non-combatants have entered without any covenant with the Iraqi people, as there is no legitimate Iraqi authority. If the non-combatants have come under the US flag then they come as part of the aggressor party.

In any case, most of these non-combatants are mercenaries not on charitable missions. Like vultures, they are making quick profit in exchange for the stolen (‘mismanaged’) Iraqi oil, Iraqi lives and their blood. And they are helping the US forces directly or indirectly; hence they are part of them.

The Prophet (SAW) took hostage a man from the tribe of Uqail because of his alliance with the belligerent tribe of Thaqeef. Even though Uqail was not a combatant. This is a clear evidence to show that allied nations or those assisting the combatants, even if it is indirectly are treated the same way.

Finally, why should Muslims distinguish in taking only combatants when the Americans are clearly not doing this! The US has incarcerated many innocent civilians, including old men and children. Some were subsequently released as evidence of their innocence. Since, one is held without charge, it must be presumed that the detainee is innocent - that is if you believe another one of the masks of democracy “innocent until proven guilty”, which is a mask that is pealing off rapidly.

At present, many of the Muslims and non-Muslims are exhibiting double standards, fostered by the mass media. So, they can’t stomach the beheadings of a few hostages done in retaliation but they are ready to tolerate the beheadings, incineration and much more of thousands of Iraqis using high-tech equipments. Even the deliberate torturing to death of prisoners in US custody is somehow appears to be more palatable than beheadings!

Yamin Zakaria
London, UK
Copyright © 2004 by Yamin Zakaria

[1] http://www.antiwar.com/orig/croke.php?articleid=3645
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feed backs.........


Yamin,
You had some good points below. However, I see a problem with such an analysis. Many bigots will take your cue to suggest that killing POWs is halal, which IMHO is not. I beg to differ from your story about Bilal killing Umayah ibn Khalaf. There seems to be some disagreement as to how Umayyah was killed. One report suggests that the latter was killed by a sahaba, while a POW. There was no mention of Bilal participating in that, or that Umayah was cut to pieces. (See, e.g., http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/hist_bio/bilaal.htm)
On the other hand, most history books would tell that Umayyah was killed during the Badr war (not as a POW) by Bilal. (See, e.g., http://www.islamic-message.net/English/Books/lopm/00cntnts.htm; http://anwary-islam.com/battle/ghazwah_badr.htm). Of these two sites, the former claims that
This site is under supervision of sheikh Khaled Abdel Azim , Member of fatwa commity - Al Azhar


I think the historical account on the latter info came from Ibn Kathir.
I personally have therefore doubt about Muslims killing POWs into pieces. Allahu alam!
As to your story about killing of 600 Quraizis, again, the account is not very trustworthy. Dr. Rafiq Zakariya analyzed the issue in quite detail in one of his books (pub. by Penguin), written to confront S. Rushdie, and showed that it is not authentic. The number could not be that high, and that the verdict was carried out by Abdullah ibn Sallam, one of the sahabas, who was knowledgeable about the Torah.
Finally, whatever may the rationale be behind nihilist activities of the fantom figure - Zarqawi, I have difficulty believing that Islam is motivating him to doing such acts.
habib
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Oh one more point. Yes I know the actual figure of Banu Quraiza differs from 400 to 800 BUT that is not the point. The point is that these POWS were executed and that is beyond doubt.

Yamin
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Let's not mix up the underlying issues here. The persons for whom qatl was considered halal were first judged by the ruler or his agent. So, e.g., when the prophet (S) was sure about their guilt, he opined the action meted out. So, there has to be a trial, and that it has to come from someone in authority, amir or his agent, to carry out the verdict. What is happening in Iraq is nihilism, if I could paraphrase a term that is close to the reality. Zarqawi's acts are tit for tat kind of deeds, which borders on nihilism/terrorism. His actions against people like N. Berg betrays any justification, but proves only a wild rage as criminal as the others perpetrated in Iraq by the bigger criminal from DC.

habib
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Salam,

What you have written does not make sense or match up to the reality of war fare! The POWS taken at BADR were NOT tried with a judge. They are POWS, guilt is self-evident! The only thing that was discussed was WHAT PUNNISHMENT to be dispensed. Not establishing their guilt. You dont set up courts there. For POWS, how they can be treated, I have provided plenty of evidences.

I gave you the Quranic reference to prove the point that UMAR'S opinion was endorsed. I also gave an additional verse from Surat Muhammad talks about strinking their NECKS until the MUSLIMS have upper hand. Also the incidence from Quraiza and the three other members taken hostage.

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lubna
04-10-2004, 21:58
As for authority (Like Hamza Yusuf has done recently) people often used that as a cloak for their defensive postering (BUT we were talking about POWS not defensive JIHAD). Yes we need Amir at various levels BUT that is a matter of logistics in the battlefield. Which does not change the HUKM of defenisve JIHAD in IRAQ. The verses in Surat BAQARAH (Read Qisas) is very clear in defending ones position, fight them AS they fight you. Transgress against them AS they transgress against you. This is how war is fought. IN case of defensive JIHAD the permission from the KHALIF is NOT a pre-requisite!

Lets not get involved in discussing individuals like Zarqawi. We dont much about him excpet what is said about him through the media.

Nick BErg and the rest who have entered IRAQ under the American flag are one of them. They have no sanctury as they belong to the enemy camp. I have elaborated this in the article.

They can be targetted for two reason: a) Retaliating for actions like Abu-GHRIAB under Qisas. b) The actual invasion of Iraq itself.
Also you need to find out the IRAQI version pertaining to Nick BErg and the likes.

LEt me give you another example.

When the 4 Mercenaries were burnt and mutilated in FALLUJAH, everyone jumped said HARAM. As usual. I said wait. Let us hear the IRAQI side. And We did. Abu-GHRAIB was revealed. Where MUSLIM bodies were mutilated as per the testimony of the congress and Rumsfeld. So again Mutilation is Haram in origin but we are permitted to this in RETALIATION. Verses in Quran and the incident with HAMZA are decisive evidence.

IN defensive JIHAD (If you check the rulings) there are very little restrictions. Problem is Muslims have become defensive always apologising for their retaliation whilst not able to challenge the thousands of NICKBERGS on our side that have lost heads and limbs.

Another example - What happens if the Americans NUKE our cities? Are we going sit back and say it is harm to retaliate? We will all be annhilated. How do you defend against NUCLEAR strikes by doign the same to them. That is the REALITY of warfare! Killing is a reality.

Can you imagine the MUSLIMS talking a decision like executing Men of Banu Quraiza TODAY No - Because they are all trying to please the KUFFAR, presenting a peaceful version of ISLAM and apologise for the few acts of retalaition.

I am sorry but you need to re-examine the evidences I have refered to - THE Quran is very clear - EYE for an EYE. If you want I can forward the document to you containing the evidences.

Salam

Yamin
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"it has to come from someone in authority, amir or his agent, to carry out the verdict."

I would like to refer to the famous Hadith, where we are asked to counter the opressor by hand first, if we cant, by words and if we cant, at least in our hearts condmen the oppression. And the last state is supposed to be the result of weakness of our faith. Does waiting for an emir or state in a state of war and anarchy, catagorically debars us from taking action to counter oppression? Are we condemned to a weak faith in perpetuity?

Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai

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Salam Ghulam

Yes, that is correct , such reasons and types of article I have seen on Al-JAzeera and other sites. Suddenly they want to discuss the need to a KHALIF to declare JIHAD. Why was the discussion on the need for a KHALIF absent until now? So they argue U. Bin Laden cannot declare JIHAD as he is not an AMEER appointed- But we are talking about defensive not offensive. Do I need to seek a FATWA, IF my house is ON FIRE ?

In any case - You dont need wait for an AMIR to act in self-defence. Ameir or KHAILF is just the means by which we chose to implement the HUKM.
The addressee (MUKALLAF) are the UMMAH directly - Not the KHALIF or the AMEER. Thus in his absence alternative means must be sought. In any case here we are refering to defensive Jihad.
Yamin

Mr Green
05-10-2004, 00:25
Salaams,

Taking prisoners of war is indeed lawful, and there are indeed times when it is necessary to inflict punishment upon them, for their deeds. Just as in times of peace, so in times of war there are laws to be observed, and if those laws are broken, there must be justice and punishment, as appropriate. However, in exercising this punishment, we have to be certain that those whom we punish really are guilty of the crime we accuse them of. There must be due process of law. Whilst engaged in combat on the battlefield, there is no time for this, we fight and kill or are killed, but when we have taken prisoners of war, and removed with them to some place, either after the war has ended, or during a period of respite in between, then we must try and punish them in accordance with the Divine Command to have justice, and therefore as fair a trial as we can muster. To do anything else makes us as bad as them, we become guilty of fitnah. We must show that we are just men and women, firm yes, willing to stand up for the truth in the face of tyranny and oppression, in defence of those who have been oppressed and driven from their homes, and stern before the disbelievers, willing to inflict punishment where it is due and appropriate, but we should not stoop to their level and take revenge. Consider also that the true judge knows that whilst (s)he has the option to administer the Hadd punishment, this is a last resort, to be used only in rare circumstances, in extreme cases, and when one can be as good as certain that the accused is really guilty of the crime. If there is doubt, it is better not to administer the Hadd punishment. The righteous judge knows that if they wrongly pass sentence upon someone who is innocent of what they are being accused of, they themselves must be punished with what they have inflicted upon that someone. So we should be very careful about how we pass judgement upon someone we consider to have committed a crime.

The issue of who is a combatant is indeed a controversial one in these trying times. Those engaged in active combat are clearly so, but what of those who appear to be in a supporting role? We have to consider the manner in which they are providing "support". Those who knowingly provide material support to aid the enemy, in the full knowledge that they are directly contributing to the enemy's war effort/crimes might be considered legitimate targets, as perhaps those mercilessly "making the most of the opportunity" to make a quick buck, but is it right to attack the nurse or doctor who helps the enemy wounded, or those who come in with the intention of helping to provide our people with whatever they need, even if they do come in under the auspices of the enemy flag or some other suspicious entity? We should be careful about the latter's intentions, yes, but we should not consider them de facto legitimate targets.

Unequal distribution of might in battle does NOT give us the right to take whatever means we can to achieve the desired end. Abandoning our principles because the enemy aren't showing principles is not an Islaamic argument. It is fitnah. We should remain true to our principles to the end, be willing to die rather than sacrifice our principles, and indeed, if we take such an attitude, Allaah will help us. Allaah sent Angels with marks of distinction to help the Holy Prophet (saws) and the Muslims, and why? Because despite being heavily outnumbered, they did not sacrifice their principles, nor turned their backs to the enemy, but stood proudly and fought with conviction and truth. And indeed, when some of the Muslims disobeyed the command of the Prophet (saws), sacrificing their principles for worldly gain, the Muslims suffered losses.

And the idea that the Holy Prophet (saws) had killed or condoned the killing of all of the Banu Qurayzah, regardless of whether or not they were guilty, just because they all happened to belong to the same tribe is an erroneous one. The Jews believe(d) that Allaah punishes a whole nation for the sins of a number of them, that He visits the sins of the fathers upon their children, and their children's children, and the Christian notion of Jesus (as) dying on the cross bearing the sins of all mankind bears the same hallmark. Allaah warns us against taking such a view - No bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden, every man, woman and child shall get only what (s)he earns. The Holy Prophet (saws) ordered/condoned the killing of the Banu Qurayzah because every one of them was guilty of having betrayed their covenants with him and the Muslims, and after showing them mercy and giving them chances, there was in the end a need to punish them. The Holy Prophet (saws) knew well that they were guilty of their crime. Unless we can be certain that those whom we would execute really are as guilty as we believe them to be, and until we have adopted this example of the Holy Prophet (saws), we cannot go around taking anyone and everyone hostage, and meting out summary punishments. Remember the example of the Holy Prophet (saws), as described by Allaah Most High - he does not do evil to those who do evil to him, but he deals with them with forgiveness and kindness (Saheeh Al-Bukharee 3:335) - if this is in response to those who do evil to him directly, what then of those whose role in the perpetration of evil against us is much less clear? Let us be firm, let us be stern where it is necessary and appropriate, let us show that we will not let the innocent and oppressed be trampled upon, let us show our bravery and our courage, fearing only Allaah, but let us remain true to our principles no matter what the enemy resort to. Let us have justice, not revenge.

Wa salaams

Tayeb
05-10-2004, 14:01
Wa-alaikum-as-salaam:

The interesting fact is that the Muslim religious authorities in Iraq, whenever they know of hostages or are approached about hostages, they intervene with the kidnappers and convey them the fact they cannot kill anyone who has been taken prisoner without a due process of justice.

What we miss most in these trying times is a central authority like that of Khilafat. The situation in Iraq is even more confusing. We don't know what's the truth behind each case, if these kidnappings and of threats of killing of hostages are carried out on behalf of Islam, or national cause of liberation, or even for money.

I believe in this ensuing confusion there may be even criminal organisations that use the opportunity to settle divergences, or even foreign agents like Mossad and CIA settling scores the same way.

Allah knows best.

BinZiad
05-10-2004, 21:21
A interesting article posted.

This is one i read quite few weeks back, written by a balanced shaykh, who has relevant experience and expertise, in the field of jihad and issues concerning it. Also many other topics in Islam.

Hope this is a detailed response, and also a detailed commentary upon this issue of Prisoners of War.

Islamic Law and Prisoners of War (http://www.islamtoday.net/english/d...?content_id=522) by Shaykh Salman bin Fahd al-Oadah

Allah has set down laws dealing with prisoners of war. He says in the Qur'ân: "If you meet in battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks. Then, if you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, so there will be a time for either generosity or ransom for them until cessation of the war." [Sűrah Muhammad: 4]


Just and legitimate warfare is a necessity in order to resist aggression and oppression, to defend against enemies, and to overcome those who repress the truth and forcibly keep people from it. War captives follow as a necessary consequence of war. This is why Allah says: "If you meet in battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks." This is quite sensible, since no one would expect anyone to say: "If you meet in battle those who disbelieve, shower them with roses and aromatic herbs." The situation at hand is one of severity and hostility.

War is a part of life. If a war is just, not for the purpose of brute conquest and imperial expansion, nor for aggression and hatred, then such a war has a positive role to play in preserving civilization and removing from it the blights that seek to bring it down. In the Qur'ân, there are two verses that discuss prisoners of war:

The first is: "It is not for a prophet to have prisoners of war until he has thoroughly subdued the land." [Sűrah al-Anfâl: 67] This verse was revealed after the battle of Badr when the Muslims had captured a number of the enemy.

The second verse we have already mentioned: "If you meet in battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks. Then, if you have thoroughly subdued them, the bind them firmly, so there will be a time for either generosity or ransom for them until cessation of the war." [Sűrah Muhammad: 4]


Scholars differ whether this second verse abrogates the ruling of the first. The strongest view is that it does not, since both convey essentially the same meaning. In the first verse, Allah says that there should be no prisoners of war until the Muslims have "thoroughly subdued the land." The second verse states that when they have "thoroughly subdued" the enemy so that they are full of fear and dread, then it is permissible to take prisoners. All this means is that prisoners of war should not be taken before or while subduing the land. There is no categorical prohibition in either of these verses to taking prisoners of war.

The enemy must be subdued in order to break their strength and resolve. After that, prisoners can be taken. The wisdom behind this is obvious. Putting an end to enemy aggression is the primary goal of war. This is why Sheikh Rashîd Ridâ says in his commentary of the Qur'ân entitled Tafsîr al-Manâr: "The gist of these verses is that it is not the tradition of the prophets nor of those who follow them to have prisoners of war whom he ransoms or releases except after gaining some ascendancy over the enemies of Allah."

[Click above link for full article]

lubna
07-10-2004, 10:53
Subject: Feedback about The Islamic Verdict on Hostages on MMN
From: Tarik



Message sent by Tarik

Message :
Your courage must be commended. I am sure that your article will cause others to label you an "extremist". I encourage you to continue speaking the truth as you perceive it, regardless of the pressures to do otherwise. "So glad tidings to the strangers.”

Link to Article :
http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/10191

Mr Green
07-10-2004, 18:48
Subject: Feedback about The Islamic Verdict on Hostages on MMN
From: Tarik



Message sent by Tarik

Message :
Your courage must be commended. I am sure that your article will cause others to label you an "extremist". I encourage you to continue speaking the truth as you perceive it, regardless of the pressures to do otherwise. "So glad tidings to the strangers.”

Link to Article :
http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/10191

Salaams,

We all have our different perceptions of the Truth. Who is to say my perception of the Truth is the right one, or yours?

An important point to bear in mind in any religious discourse.

Wa salaams

lubna
07-10-2004, 19:25
Assalamoalykum br green


the words that you highlighted sums it up for you,
''as you percieve it'' meaning we are ok so long as WE use our intellect and common sense together with the knowledge of islam through quraan and sunnah sincerely to get an opinion and beleive it to be the truth. only we have to be sure in our own hearts that what we beleive is the truth, we dont have to get approval of others
but as soon as we are convinced other wise i.e that other person is right and we are wrong in our opinion, we HAVE to change our opinion. and if we dont out of arrogance or stubornness or any other selfish motive , it is then and only then we become guilty of siding with the falsehood /hiding the truth and then the clock of guilt starts ticking on us.

so in this case of above article bro yamin, bro tarik and myself are sticking with this opinion cos WE PERCIEVE IT TO BE THE TRUTH. now YOU dont have to stick with it cos YOU dont percieve it that way.....simple. and that is why we are suppose to speak the truth and side with the truth so other people can make their minds up too by following the reasonings behind each opinion. and it is for this reason knowledge is compulsary upon all muslim men and women so they can formulate their opinion on different matters rather than pleading ignorance. which of course Allah will not accept.

and it needs great courage to speak the truth cos sometimes you are the only ONE e.g our prophet muhammad saw. may Allah shower His mercy and blessings upon him Ameen.
wassalam
lubna
p.s and since you are a muslim i beleive that you belive that islam is the only true religion left on earth. and i am not saying it Allah says so in the Quraan.i am just repeating Allah's words.

Mr Green
07-10-2004, 20:17
Salaams,

Yes, I agree, it can sometimes take great courage to speak the truth, and absolutely, though we may be the only person left, and the whole world stands against us, we should stand by what we believe, if we believe it to be the truth. However, we should be able to step back from what we feel to be right, and remember that we may be wrong, and this is very important in matters where we are talking about someone's life, as we are when we are talking about the taking and execution of hostages, or the taking of someone's freedom or life because they have a different belief to us.

And yes, I may be Muslim, but that does not mean that I have to share the same beliefs as you in all matters, nor should I necessarily. There is more than one way to interpret things.

These are cautionary notes, that is all.

Wa salaams

macmuslim
10-10-2004, 01:26
Assalamu alaikum

Here's my tuppence worth.

Firstly, I have noticed that those who have been taken hostage, have been touted by the media as having gone to Iraq to 'help the people rebuild their country.'
I find this hard to take in, bearing in mind that they will have been lured by the lucrative payments in store for them. Therefore, in essence, they are mercenaries.

Secondly, I remember last year, watching the US B52's leaving a UK airbase to bomb the crap out of Baghdad, and making Dua that they might fall out of the sky before reaching their targets. Then later, we were treated to pictures of these planes actively bombing the crap out of Baghdad, then comning home. Target Television!
All this 'Shock and Awe' tv coverage of bombings, killings, POW's etc -
but the world stops when one UK national is taken hostage and shown on TV.
A loss of proportion I think.

Thirdly, we live in a society, informed by a 'spinning' media, controlled in the majority by you know who.

We can draw conclusions from this.