View Full Version : Why we are in IRAQ ? From the source
Revealed by Bush and Kerry in Foreign Policy debate. It can't get any
more clear than this:
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Bush: "A free Iraq will be an ally in the war on terror, and that's
essential. A free Iraq will set a powerful example in the part of the
world that is desperate for freedom. A free Iraq will help secure Israel. A
free Iraq will enforce the hopes and aspirations of the reformers in places
like Iran. A free Iraq is essential for the security of this country."
Kerry: "Soldiers know over there that this isn't being done right
yet. I'm going to get it right for those soldiers, because it's important to
Israel, it's important to America, it's important to the world, it's important
to the fight on terror."
> (notice that Israel comes before American, America comes before the
world)
Lost Soul
15-10-2004, 02:10
I believe the reason we are in Iraq is to change the Middle east for the better.
I know that Muslim leaders and media use israel as an excuse to divert the passions of the misserable Muslim living in poverty all across the Muslim nations but suppose just for a moment that Israel and the Palestinians do make peace. I believe it will happen in our lifetime.
Suppose this takes place, will this provide jobs and a better life for Muslims living in poverty under totalitarian regimes?
Being angry at Israel is simple a diversion of anger from the real issue facing Muslims acroos the Mid-East.
While we have the Sharon tyrant in power the Palestinians have Arafat so until we get cooler heads on both sides we will have more of the same: tit for tat murder on both sides.
I really wish Arafat would have agreed to Baraks's offer. It would have been a step closer. I don;t see a better offer from any future leader of Israel in the near future unless Arafat dies and the Palestinians get real representatives in government.
The actions of Arafat is fueling the anti-palestinian passions of most Israelis and the continued terrorist attacks against civilians is turning pro-peace Israelis against it.
Now back to why we are in Iraq.
Because we believe islam is a dangerous religion and not one of peace and only democratic governments can soften the religiousity of of many Muslims and help them improve their lives which in turn makes the world a better place.
If Islam was a religion of peace it would be self evident and it would not need to be defended.
On the other hand when we have Sunnis killing Shias in Pakistan and other places on daily basis it is clear to the rest of the world just how peaceful Islam is.
I am sure many Muslims are peaceful and do not like the state of affairs within the Muslim world so it would be wrong to cast shadows on all Muslims. But I know one thing for certain. never have Muslims demonstrated and openly condemned any atrocities comitted in Islam's name. Weather they were crimes against non-muslims or muslims, Muslims remain quiet. Just recently another wave of Sunnis kiiling Shias and vice versa took place in Pakistan. Not one single protest against it anywhere in the Muslim world. What does this say to the rest of the world about the character of this religion and its followers?
Max (the atheist jew :D)
Hello lost soul ( i hope you find your soul here... :) inshaAllah)
welcome to the site , may Allah make your stay a beneficial one for you and us all Ameen.
i will have to ignore some of your false propaganda against islam and muslims, as i am not that knowledgeable in talking in terms of sole world politics, as we all know not every body is good at every thing. but will make few comments on some bits of your post inshaAllah.
Because we believe islam is a dangerous religion )
yes you are right ISLAM is dangerous for all the evil powers of the world as it did,can and will annihilate them inshaAllah.
If Islam was a religion of peace it would be self evident and it would not need to be defended.
correction! islam is the religion of peace , ONLY for the lovers of peace. otherwise it is a religion of eye for an eye. and more importantly it is a religion of JUSTICE and justice needs to be ENFORCED. the stronger the opposition to justice the stronger will be the force of islam inshaAllah.
On the other hand when we have Sunnis killing Shias in Pakistan and other places on daily basis it is clear to the rest of the world just how peaceful Islam is..
how do you know that it is MUSLIMS who are igniting these fights? oh the main stream media! yes the same one who lied/fooled the world( apart from the wise ones) in believing about saddam having WMD!!
Max (the atheist jew :D)
i am interested in finding out how an athiest can be a jew at the same time.
peace after justice
lubna
Hello lost soul:
Welcome to myiwc.com.
I agree that Yasser Arafat may be a tyrant but he was right in not accepting Barak's condition of dumping into dustbin the right of return for Palestinian refugees. He would have made his worst mistake if he'd agreed to sign a document that forgot Palestinians in diaspora.
I hope you can see that Jews are doing to Arabs many of the things other people, mainly Europeans, did to Jews and as a recent as in 2nd World War. Palestinians are made refugees in their own land as I hope you see from what's happening in Holy Land. Arabs are second class citizens in their own country, they are killed without any due process of law, Israel being the judge and executioner, their houses, properties and even trees are destroyed, etc.
Israel is behaving like Nazis behaved, and I hope you can see that and can reflect on that. The inhumanity of Jews demonstrated in Israel towards Arabs is a great stigma on your past suffering. It seems Jews in Palestine, and their supporters outside Palestine, haven't learnt from unfair and terrible treatment they suffered at hands of Europeans.
wildlifer
16-10-2004, 21:03
Arabs are second class citizens in their own country, they are killed without any due process of law, Israel being the judge and executioner, their houses, properties and even trees are destroyed, etc.
I would agree with this and suggest further that "Arabs" are "second-class citizens" in all the Arab lands, with the exceptions of liberated Afghanistan and Iraq.
welcome back wildlifer!
I would agree with this and suggest further that "Arabs" are "second-class citizens" in all the Arab lands, with the exceptions of liberated Afghanistan and Iraq.
you mean they have been made citizen of the grave yards! some liberation !!
wait till muslims come to liberate the world of the evil elements, inshaAllah. and show you the real meaning of the liberation! west is living in the topsy turvy land.
wildlifer
16-10-2004, 22:05
welcome back wildlifer!
you mean they have been made citizen of the grave yards! some liberation !!
wait till muslims come to liberate the world of the evil elements, inshaAllah. and show you the real meaning of the liberation! west is living in the topsy turvy land.
While I understand your myopic point of view - that peoples liberated from tyranny and theocrats are not truely liberated - I think the millions seen standing in line at the polls in Afghanistan belie your assertions.
Hello wildlifer:
Welcome back wildlifer.
They feel so "liberated" that they are "bombing" out the "liberators". That's what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq.
By the way the people of Afghanistan are neither Arabs, nor even Semites. Just thought you might like to know
wildlifer
17-10-2004, 07:09
Hello wildlifer:
Welcome back wildlifer.
They feel so "liberated" that they are "bombing" out the "liberators". That's what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Yeah, I must have missed all the pictures of the bomb-carrying voters, post them here please.
Otherwise, we all know who the "bombers" are - factions whom wish to impose their own brand of tyranny.
By the way the people of Afghanistan are neither Arabs, nor even Semites. Just thought you might like to know
Point taken.
While I understand your myopic point of view - that peoples liberated from tyranny and theocrats are not truely liberated - I think the millions seen standing in line at the polls in Afghanistan belie your assertions.
although i didnt count the 'millions' in the line ,but take your words for it ,so that proves, even after all that death and destruction to their country the people of Afghanistan have still not lost hope for their country!! Allah u Akbar/wow! some FAITH they have Alhumdulillah. and the large number of them still alive could be the blessing of the mountaineous area for hiding from the bombing and not the 'liberating efforts' of the enemy.
and also we muslims dont beleive in killing our own race by birthcontrol.this could be another reason why our enemy is failing in annihilating us Alhumdulillah.....see we listen to God rather than to the lie generating grues of human population control system.
peace after justice
lubna
wildlifer
17-10-2004, 18:34
...see we listen to God rather than to the lie generating grues of human population control system.
peace after justice
lubna
Then your God should have made a larger planet. :rolleyes:
Then your God should have made a larger planet. :rolleyes:
i dont see any human falling off planet earth ,for it being overly crowded... :)
wildlifer
17-10-2004, 22:53
i dont see any human falling off planet earth ,for it being overly crowded... :)
Yeah, gravity sucks ......
Yeah, gravity sucks ......
lol.....good one
thanx for enlightning me,didnt know all the reasons for God's creation of gravity, so He planned well then!
you dont seem to be happy with gravity, how about moving to moon....and it is not even populated yet.
wildlifer
17-10-2004, 23:20
lol.....good one
thanx for enlightning me,didnt know all the reasons for God's creation of gravity, so He planned well then!
you dont seem to be happy with gravity, how about moving to moon....and it is not even populated yet.
Yeah, according to you gravity is keeping ~3 billion too many people on the globe.
Lost Soul
18-10-2004, 04:56
I agree that Yasser Arafat may be a tyrant but he was right in not accepting Barak's condition of dumping into dustbin the right of return for Palestinian refugees. He would have made his worst mistake if he'd agreed to sign a document that forgot Palestinians in diaspora.
I know that most Muslims, easpecially Arab Muslims would love nothing more than the destruction of Israel.
Rest assured, Israel will NEVER allow the "right of return" period. It would be national suicide so let's be clear about this. It will never happen.
Israel would rather provoke a war with the Arab world than to agree such idiocy.
At least in another major war Israel would have an opportunity to teach the Arab world a final lesson once and for all.
Max
Yeah, according to you gravity is keeping ~3 billion too many people on the globe.
one of us is confused here.... :confused:
was it not you who suggested, it is gravity which is stoping people falling off the planet?
when you said,
''Yeah, gravity sucks ......''
I know that most Muslims, easpecially Arab Muslims would love nothing more than the destruction of Israel.
every body is interested in killing the abnormal growth when it attacks their body e.g tumour.
only a fool will not and thats what you call a 'suicide' in its true meaning.
At least in another major war Israel would have an opportunity to teach the Arab world a final lesson once and for all.
Max
dont know which lesson you are talking about but the only lesson we are focussed at and are interested to learn at the moment is how to get united against our common/worst enemy, and that *majot war* of yours is just what we need to do that.....so rest assured we are looking forward to it as much as you if not more than you.....as you know us muslims how easily and eagerly we give our lives when it comes to do it for Allah..... ;)
may the best people( and not chosen... ;) ) win the war Ameen
peace after justice
lubna
I know that most Muslims, easpecially Arab Muslims would love nothing more than the destruction of Israel.
Rest assured, Israel will NEVER allow the "right of return" period. It would be national suicide so let's be clear about this. It will never happen.
Israel would rather provoke a war with the Arab world than to agree such idiocy.
At least in another major war Israel would have an opportunity to teach the Arab world a final lesson once and for all.
Max
Hello Max:
Thanks for being sincere. Actually your opinion is of most of colonisers in Palestine and their supporters. Teach a lesson to the Arabs, and why not the Muslim World. Perhaps a World holocaust, that'd be a nice picture, correct?
It shows Saddam Hussein was right in persuing WMDs. If such a fundamental human right that of returning is not possible then what's the use to even negotiate anything with Israel?
I hope you understand that Christian Evanglists, that support Bush and his allies, have declared they seek Armageddon when 2/3 of Jews will be killed and the rest 1/3 will be converted to Christianity. A chilling information and not conforting at all for your purported final victory. If you want to know what's their plan try to read more. They say Messiah will return and reign the World for 1000 years so they say, though Jews don't believe in first advent of Messiah.
wildlifer
18-10-2004, 12:33
Hello Max:
Thanks for being sincere. Actually your opinion is of most of colonisers in Palestine and their supporters. Teach a lesson to the Arabs, and why not the Muslim World. Perhaps a World holocaust, that'd be a nice picture, correct?
That seems to be Bush's goal - the apocalypse - the Book of Revelations in living color and extinction of humankind. Ain't religion great?
It shows Saddam Hussein was right in persuing WMDs. If such a fundamental human right that of returning is not possible then what's the use to even negotiate anything with Israel?
So if Saddam was right in pursuing WMDs, he was right to use them on the Kurds?
If it was up to me I'd give the Zionists part of Germany, or something, but it isn't so we're either stuck with Israel where it is, or the war and attrition lasts so long no one's left to fight it.
Seems to me reparations instead of the right of return is the proper tact.
I hope you understand that Christian Evanglists, that support Bush and his allies, have declared they seek Armageddon when 2/3 of Jews will be killed and the rest 1/3 will be converted to Christianity. A chilling information and not conforting at all for your purported final victory. If you want to know what's their plan try to read more. They say Messiah will return and reign the World for 1000 years so they say, though Jews don't believe in first advent of Messiah.
'Tis true, Bush and the rapture-ready (Friends of Israel, et al) seek the destruction of the Jews through Jesus.
Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
Greetings and good day.
THanx for ur input, Max. Just case in point example of how non-negotiable and truly non-reliable are the Israelis.
And just as you have depicted the Israeli stance of non-negotiability, so the Palestinians have just as much right (perhaps more, seeing as how they are the ones who have been oppressed and illegally invaded and occuppied) to stand their stance and resist and fight in what ever manner they can possibly do so.
And believe me, as long as there remains even one man, woman, or child, in their condition, they will continue to fight in the fiercest manner they can.
Perhaps...if the Israelis do eventually wage this 'major war' you are speaking of...perhaps...it may very well backfire on them. Greater miracles have happened in the past.
Lulua.
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