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lubna
14-10-2004, 15:33
David and Goliath



The Goliath of today claims to be a ‘victim’ rather than an empire-builder subjugating non-compliant nations. He purports to wage ‘defensive’ wars by invading distant lands. His armies kill not with knives but with high-tech weapons, whereby defenceless civilians are incinerated en masse at the touch of a button. Like the video games played, their soldiers never see the faces of their victims. Subsequently, the soldiers are acclaimed as ‘brave’ heroes whereas the dead are classified as ‘coward’ terrorists or collateral damages.



His nation leads in the production and sales of the most lethal weapons; profiting from the business of war, death and destruction. Simultaneously, the Goliath sermonises about ‘peace’: a pretext to control the proliferation of these weapons, so that only he can deploy them. Why is the Goliath so afraid? Is the fear a manifestation of the accumulation of guilt for the crimes committed in the past and present?


He constantly barks about the human rights whilst his soldiers exhibit inhuman behaviour. They kill prisoners of war with their hands tied behind their backs; attack crowds of women, children and the old in the market places, mosques and hospitals. They abuse and torture the innocents in Abu-Ghraib. Like Goliath’s forefathers, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, he is incarcerating people arbitrarily. And the neo-Gestapo (CIA and FBI) has tortured many of them to death as they have disappeared in Camp X-ray, Diego Garcia and Bagram.



Then comes the farcical lecture about women’s rights whilst his perverted soldiers rape young girls and boys in the US-run prisons in line with what they do within their barracks and at home. How can these soldiers understand the dishonouring of our mothers and sisters when such notions are alien to them? Otherwise, how could they commit such acts in the first place?



The walls in the room of an average GI-Joes is filled with pornographic pictures, demonstrating his one-dimensional relationship with the opposite sex that never rises above the waistlines. When his instincts are agitated, his pretence of upholding the politically correct attitude towards women collapses. They are like the racists that covers up their innate prejudice with good manners, which dissolves easily when the opportunity to express the racist feelings arises.


Recently, a young Palestinian girl shot to death deliberately by the ‘chosen’ people of God. This is natural when the gentiles (non-Jews) are considered to be worse than animals in accordance to the Talmudic laws; a gentile cannot be raped or murdered by a Jew. Where is the moral outrage now? Is the Israeli soldier not a militant Jew, a Jewish fanatic dispensing Jewish terrorism? Or, the term ‘terrorism’ can only be ever described with the adjective of ‘Islamic’? Thus, such labels only reserved for the Muslims who are only defending their borders and resources legitimately, with or without the UN resolutions.



You wont find the moderates in the Mosques lining up to sign condolences for that young girl, who is just one amongst many of the children that are being beheaded by the Apaches and F16s. Nor will the moderates have the dignity or the courage to demand from the Goliath and his accomplices to condemn the killing of our innocent women and children to be at least even-handed on the matter. It is the Goliath who has killed in far greater numbers for the last hundred years.



It has to be said one of he most remarkable achievements of the Goliath has been to avoid the labels of genocide, terrorists and mass murderer despite having exterminated its native population, bombed civilian cities with nuclear weapons and killed hundreds of thousands. Even more remarkable is that, the few individuals or groups that retaliated against the Goliath were attributed with those characteristics. Each action of these ‘terrorists’ is cited as the beginning of every episode of history, whilst the poor Goliath, all he has ever done is: responded!



Recently, the Goliath and his allies justified the pre-emptive war, killing thousands, destroying cities and villages, on the basis of what Saddam might have ‘thought’ and what he might do in the future. Isn’t it strange, that they are so fanatical about upholding freedom of thought yet who would have thought, that they would justify waging a war to prevent someone from thinking? Or are they saying that they were psychic and knew what Saddam was thinking in his mind? Never mind the actual reality of Saddam’s capability, completely diminished since 1991 through the constant bombings and sanctions! Scot Ritter and Hans Blix could have told you that but what importance do they have when they did not rubber-stamp the US foreign policy?


So, what is final reason, “the world is a better place without Saddam”. Who makes up the world, George Bush, Tony Blair and the rest of the war mongering Anglo-Saxon clique? If the Iraqis are happy why are they not showering the occupying soldiers with flowers instead of mortars and bullets? Note how, Bush, Rumsfeld, Woflowitz and Blair sneaked in and out of Iraq without being thanked by the liberated Iraqis.



As for ‘better’, yes it is better for those companies who are making the huge profit by looting Iraq’s oil, all in the name of reconstruction and ‘helping’ Iraqis. Why doesn’t anyone ask those whose homes have been destroyed and those whose loved ones have been killed, if the war was really better for them? By that logic the war was also good for the likes of Kenneth Bigley, Paul Johnson, Nick Berg and their families!



Instead they cite those Iraqis living abroad who have prostituted themselves seeking only to replace Saddam. It is easy to purchase prostitutes as they have very little to bargain with. Those prostitutes stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the neo-con Zionists. They are now waiting like vultures to occupy the lucrative positions, so that they can fill their bellies by looting, nepotism and terrorising the civilians through the Mukhabarat (secret police).



To prevent future Saddams and other ‘militants’ from emerging why not start to exterminate their babies, as was done to other nations in the past? For the unbelievers devoid of religious morals, their minds operate in the realms of pure rationality; eugenics, genocide, cannibalism, incest, necrophilia, homosexuality and anything else goes as long as their mind can put forward a convincing case instead of relying upon the medieval religious dogmas! In Iraq, there has been an unprecedented level of birth deformities due to the usage of Depleted Uranium by the US forces. Don’t forget the sanctions have already claimed 500,000 Iraqi children. The shady neo-cons behind the scenes are plotting for further attacks with the possible use of ‘tactical’ nuclear weapons to complete the US version of the “final solution (Endlösung)”.



Not far from Iraq, the Palestinians are facing extermination. The UN report says 70% of the stone throwing Palestinian children are shot in the back by the well-equipped Israeli army. Slowly, they also lose their homes and lands. The Hebrew version of the “final solution (Endlösung)” is running towards completion that started in 1948. The European and American Jews have the freedom to enter occupied Palestine whilst the indigenous population are turned into ‘foreigners’ and ‘terrorists’.



In occupied Palestine, the irony is that Goliath is epitomized by the Israelites whilst the Philistines represent David! The power of Goliath lies not just in his sheer brute force but also by the illusions that he creates.



Yamin Zakaria

London, UK

Lost Soul
15-10-2004, 02:29
The Palestinians have never done anything wrong. They have never commited any crimes against anyone. They are angels. Right?

The Muslim world is a wonderful place, full of intelligent people, great universities, wonderful scientists, awsome technology and superior products which the world loves to buy. The best cars come from Muslim nations. The best medicine comes from Muslim nations. The best of everything comes from the super intelligent people who worship a super intelligent being called God. Those people are the Muslims.

Agree?

Max

lubna
15-10-2004, 11:18
The Palestinians have never done anything wrong. They have never commited any crimes against anyone. They are angels. Right?
well who told isralies to occupy palestine? you cant blame bees if they sting , after you have thrown stone at thier house and destroyed it! and yes bees might not have sharp teeth and mighty clause,but their tiny sting sure HURTS badly.

The Muslim world is a wonderful place, full of intelligent people, great universities, wonderful scientists, awsome technology and superior products which the world loves to buy. The best cars come from Muslim nations. The best medicine comes from Muslim nations. The best of everything comes from the super intelligent people who worship a super intelligent being called God. Those people are the Muslims.

Agree??

yes no doubt about muslims being intelligent alhumdulillah. with all their weak resources they are being a hard bite to swallow for kuffar, proof! after all those years of oppression/killing palestinians are still on the stage of the world Alhumdulillah cos a muslim is a very strong human taking his strength directly from Allah ,
it is true muslims are passing a bad patch at the moment ,but their glorious past is a vivid proof that they are going to win their title back inshaAllah, other proof is the fear and desperation of evil against muslims.evil is dreading the marching /advancing of muslims Alhumdulillah.
this worldy prosperity is not difficult to achieve at all once we are in control of our ownself and are in harmony with the CREATOR of everything. Allah created this world for human to conquer, but 1st we have to win the title of a true muslim inshaAllah.
as for you boasting the advancement of technology, remember pharoah, he didnt have any mach for his achievements but look how miserable his end was! and who got made the owner of all that treasures after him? yes the good people.and it is the fate of all the bad people who take a war with God!

majority of the jews is athiest,but they beleive they are ''God's '' chosen people.Agree?


peace after justice
lubna

Lulua
16-10-2004, 02:14
Assalaamu alaikum.

How is it that jews can be atheists? I mean...I thought that a jew is someone of the jewish religion-i.e. a person who does believe in God. That was my interpretation of the term, that it refers to a group of religious persons...not a nationality.

Lulua.

Deathpasser
16-10-2004, 06:22
Assalaamu alaikum.

How is it that jews can be atheists? I mean...I thought that a jew is someone of the jewish religion-i.e. a person who does believe in God. That was my interpretation of the term, that it refers to a group of religious persons...not a nationality.

Lulua.


Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu ya Muslimeen
Greetings all else

I'm preatty sure it began when Hitler claimed that the Jews were a race as well as a religon.This was the basis of his rascist program to exterminate the Jews, he looked at a person and so long as they looked Jewish, they were put in incinerators.American statistics number the Jews who died in the holocaust at 6 million but realistic figures are closer to about 3 million which 2,999,999 more then Hitler needs to be executed in an Islamic state.

Then the Zionists seized on this opportunity and began to use this as well to create a non-religous bunch of Zionists as well.Today, if you can trace your decent to a racial Jew then you can easily get citezenship to Israel.

Lulua
16-10-2004, 14:30
Assalaamu alaikum.

Thanx, deathpasser...for the reminder on this point. Yea...I was aware previously of the racial insinuation of the term jew. In fact, that was what I first learned of jews as I grew up in the states...ppl seemed to refer to them as a race more so than a religious entity.

But still..it seems like a major misnomer...to term a jew as an atheist. Similar as how it seems so odd when I notice on internet a site called 'jews for Allah'. I mean...if they have become muslims...then why the need to associate with their judaism...even if it was something previous???

Anyways, even in the Bible...it appears the reference to jews and non-jews on a racial stance more so than merely religious. I.e. the differentiation between jew and gentile.

Lulua.

wildlifer
16-10-2004, 21:48
yes no doubt about muslims being intelligent alhumdulillah. with all their weak resources they are being a hard bite to swallow for kuffar, proof! after all those years of oppression/killing palestinians are still on the stage of the world Alhumdulillah cos a muslim is a very strong human taking his strength directly from Allah

Weak resources? <goes to re-examine location of the world's oil reserves>

it is true muslims are passing a bad patch at the moment ,but their glorious past is a vivid proof that they are going to win their title back inshaAllah, other proof is the fear and desperation of evil against muslims.evil is dreading the marching /advancing of muslims Alhumdulillah.

I sincerely doubt this, for as long as Muslims keep closed the door of knowledge and cling to the mythology of 1st Century goatherders, they won't even challenge for the "title." This is the reason their "glorious past," is just that - the past. Who knows what path the world would have taken had not the mullahs declared Ijtihad closed when reality challenged their mythology.

In nearly every place we traverse today, Islam is thought of as having stood still because the mullahs closed the door on reinterpreting the Qur'an in the light of modern events. As a result of which there appears to be prevalent of inaccurate translations and commentaries and lack of awareness of scientific knowledge in Muslim world. Frustrated by this development, one Muslim commentator recently remarked: 'Without a reformation in the practice of Islam that makes it move forward instead of backward there is no hope for Muslims anywhere.' There is gain of truth in that remark. Is it not true that science, before the Renaissance in the West was at home with the earlier Muslim society and that society then was technically highly sophisticated even when the then cruder Crusaders invaded Jerusalem? But today, the Christian nations, which had been moved to the pursuit of science by the example of the Muslims, have advanced materially just as the Muslims had advanced materially so long as they obeyed that portion of 'the Shari'ah or sacred law which proclaims freedom of thought and exhorts the pursuit of knowledge and the study of God's creation.' The Christian nations have since thrown off the narrow shackles of ecclesiasticism and scholasticism and have 'espoused free thought, and their advance in the material field was as surprising in its way as were the conquests of the early Muslims in their way.' Fact such this should bring home to us that there is a need for us, as Muslims, to now begin a critical appraisal of the detailed evidence constituting the 'Fiqh' (Religious Jurisprudence) in order to reactivate it and consequently make it attain its full vigour in the form of a new understanding of Islam that will suit the requirements of contemporary life.

The significance of this new approach can be better illustrated in the aspect of Islamic legal system; for instance, I wander why the advice of doctors, psychiatrists, criminologists, sociologists and other experts are not readily called in both civil and criminal matters when we implement Shariah. The recent imbroglio of adultery and similar cases in Northern Nigeria are typical examples where experts attention should have been called. In this regard, there is an urgent need for laying sound intellectual foundations that will recognise human capabilities and knowledge which are derivable not purely from religious texts but also from science and technology.

Facing Up to Our Knowledge Deficit (http://www.gamji.com/NEWS1721.htm)

this worldy prosperity is not difficult to achieve at all once we are in control of our ownself and are in harmony with the CREATOR of everything. Allah created this world for human to conquer, but 1st we have to win the title of a true muslim inshaAllah.

Ah yes, the Taliban were successful ... drug dealers, but what else?

This "dominion" attitude aggravates me to no end, whether it is uttered by Xtians or Muslims.

Lost Soul
19-10-2004, 22:05
The way I look at things is like this.

IF and this is a HUGE "IF" god did exist, I would imagine god would be super intelligent which naturally suggests he would enjoy the company of other intelligent beings.

Wasting my time on religion while not using my brain to invent, innovate and help make the world a better place would not be very intelligent of me.

I would imagine intelligent beings would not care much for blindness of the mind and laziness. Many people hide behind religion because they are lazy-too lazy to think.

If there is an afterlife I would not want to be amongst lazy people who have never invented anything nor contributed anything to making the world a better place.

I am more concerned with the survival and advancement of the human race, colonization of the solar system and universe etc. I would imagine this is what an intelligent being would expect from us as out creator.

Furthermore, there is no people more dangerous than those who presume to know the will of such a great being as god. If there was a god and he/she/it really wanted its will known to all mankind it would not rely on a bunch of savages to make its will known nor would such a being want a bunch tyrants to commit all sorts of evils in its name and call it "holy war" etc.

The truth is that which can be validated through reason. Faith is the belief in whatever one wishes regardless of evidence or lack there of.

There are millions of people who have different religious beliefs and they are equally as sincere they have the right religion. So what makes yours right? Had you been born a Christian what would be your religion? Hmmm? or if you had been born a Hindu, what would your religion be?

All human beings are born atheists. Then they are indoctrinated/brainwashed with the respective religion of the parents or community they live in.

As for me, I shall believe that which logic and reason can establish as facts through intelligent investigation. To believe by faith is to sacrifice intelligence at the altar of ignorance. I simply refuse to do such. There is no greater sin than to lie to oneself.