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Deathpasser
30-10-2004, 01:22
new obl video.
this one he claims responsability
doesnt talk like normal
once again the pictures are dont look like him.
odd.
jraison49
31-10-2004, 17:01
Hello,
How convenient indeed. Hear what Walter Cronkite said to Larry King on CNN:
CRONKITE: What we just heard. So now the question is basically right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing. The advantage to the Republican side is to get rid of, as a principal subject of the campaigns right now, get rid of the whole problem of the al Qaqaa explosive dump. Right now, that, the last couple of days, has, I think, upset the Republican campaign.
;)
For full text check:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/29/lkl.01.html
raison
Assalamu-alaikum and greetings:
The latest news:
President Bush has opened a six-point lead over John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the new Osama bin Laden videotape was broadcast on Friday night.
A Newsweek poll showed Bush ahead of Kerry 50-44 percent. A week ago, the same survey had the race tied.
Full text at:
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/31/wus31.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/31/ixnewstop.html
Now only one piece is missing. Something like "we got him" as they did with Saddam Hussein. That'd be Kerry candidancy killer!
Ma'a-salaama,
Salaams,
The tape is clearly a fake. Just watch OBL, perfect lighting, good quality sound, unlike other tape claiming responsibility for 911. No wrinkles on OBL's face (does he have a plastic surgeon working for him?). His reference of "My Pet Goat" is curious. Is OBL an avid watcher of Michael Moore documentaries?
:rolleyes:
Salahudeen
31-10-2004, 17:34
Sallams:
:D :D :D :D :D
http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_al_qaeda.jpg
DOHA, QATAR (IWR News Parody) - An audio recording purportedly made by Osama bin Laden and senior al-Qaeda figure Ayman al-Zawahri has been broadcast by the pan-Arab television station, al-Jazeera.
A voice on the tape identified as Osama bin Laden by the CIA made a surprise endorsement of President Bush's re-election in November.
"I call on all Muslims in the United States to cast their ballots for the Boosh-Cheney ticket.
Even though Mr. Boosh was warned by Deeck Clarke about our 9/11 attack, Mr. Boosh did not do anything at all.
Allahu Akbar!
Although Mr. Boosh bombed our Taliban brothers in 2001, he did allow us all to escape at Tora Bora.
Then Mr. Boosh invaded Iraq, and this allowed us to expand our recruiting efforts and evolve into a multi-headed hydra.
Praise to Allah!
And don't forget, that Mr. Boosh also removed his infidel troops from Saudi Arabia just as I had demanded!
What a guy!
Thanks again George Boosh, and say 'Yo!' to Rummy for me," said Osama bin Laden.
(courtesy of http://www.internetweekly.org/)
Assalamoalykum brother salahuddeen
:) :) :) .... good one!!
it also shows that with difficulties not only the eemaan of muslims increases but their sense of humour too.... Alhumdulillah.
no wonder kuffar are afraid of muslims more than Allah, as Allah says so in the Quraan!!
may Allah give a humiliating defeat to all of the infidels/kuffar Ameen.
give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands soon Ameen.
wassalam
lubna
He might have watched the movie, I loved the footage of him, his beautiful smiles; but this tape is probably authentic because it was delivered to Ahmad Muffaq Zaidan (per reuters article), reporter for Al Jazeera in Pakistan. Mr. Zaidan is a Syrian who met Usamah several times before 9/11, he did interviews with him and wrote a book in 2002 about him. He is someone Usamah liked and respected. So I believe he did have it delivered to him from his production co.
Deathpasser
05-11-2004, 05:58
He might have watched the movie, I loved the footage of him, his beautiful smiles;
That's nice...
but this tape is probably authentic because it was delivered to Ahmad Muffaq Zaidan (per reuters article), reporter for Al Jazeera in Pakistan.
That doesn't make anything authentic. I could make a tape and give it to this man and say whatever I wanted, dress up as a famous man and the fake tape would be accepted as real. The idea that just because a certain man has come to obtain a tape makes it authentic is completely absurd.
Mr. Zaidan is a Syrian who met Usamah several times before 9/11, he did interviews with him and wrote a book in 2002 about him. He is someone Usamah liked and respected.
What, are you a mind-reader, how can you know who Sheikh Osama likes.
So I believe he did have it delivered to him from his production co.
The mass Muslim majority is still unconvinced, even on Yahoo news, it was reported that the language used by "Osama" on this tape wasn't at all similar to his usual beutiful Arabic prose. It was blunt and direct, and made a decleration that "yes, it was me, I killed you in 9/11". Sheikh Osama wasn't responsible for 9/11 and even if he had been (he wasn't) he would be smart enough not to say it in such an open decleration. The man purportedly "Osama" said what is the equivelent of vote for Bush, kill me and bomb Mecca.Thank you."
jraison49
05-11-2004, 10:43
Hello,
It seems that this video helped out Bush wonderfully. It was like gloves made for Bush's hands. Remember OJ Simpson? The glove didn't fit in his hand!
The biggest turnout in American elections helped Bush instead of harming his perspectives. Did Bush change an iota and learnt anything from these elections? Not at all!
One of the main support for Bush came from Christian Zionists, and the Jewish lobby, that voted with strategy for a swing in favour of Bush.
Kerry's unequivocal support for Israel didn't help him, or the Democrats at all with humiliating defeat for Senate Minority leader Tom Daschel!
Will the Democrats learn a lesson vis-a-vis the Jewish lobby? I doubt it because their elected leaders eat at Jewish lobby's table!
:cool:
If Usamah did not like the reporter, he would not have met him at all; yet he met with him more than once and was not opposed to the writer doing a book about him. It is like Hamid Mir, he is his official biographer. He respects his journalism. As for him doing it, I think Usamah has changed over the past 4 years, he has been thru things he had not planned. His oldest long term wife divorced him in January 2002, His favorite wife, Amal was put on house arrest in Yemen in her Father's compound, his daughter in law died in the mountains during childbirth during the spring offensive, it was reported he spoke at her funeral he has gone thru a lot of personal drama in addition to everything else. I think he wants to be honest and open and let people know who he really is because much of America does not have any idea about who he is as a person. He is explaining why the actions were taken, he does not want to live a lie. He feels justified in the actions he took based on all the people who have been killed globally; but he also noted it was personal to him. The time he spent in Lebanon when he was going to college after his Father died was full of emotionality from all that I have read. It gave him the foundation for the conscience and humanness he developed. The Soviet War gave him the pain and conviction that there was no turning back on what he had to do, everything led him up to that point and that was the beginning of his road of jihad. He is not a terrorist on a random rampage. He is a messenger with purpose, sometimes with prose, always with compassion and conscience.
Deathpasser
10-11-2004, 07:01
Wow, it seems you can read his mind quite well. By the way, since you know all his thoughts, are you Osama or are you just a psychic?
If Usamah did not like the reporter, he would not have met him at all; yet he met with him more than once and was not opposed to the writer doing a book about him.
I dislike many people, but I have reasons to meet them. Reasons good enough for me to overlook my distaste of certain people. I wouldn't mind a book being written about me either, not even if it was being written by an anti-Islamist.Why? Because when people would read the book, with all it's falsehood, they would still want to know more if they have the intellectual capacity to think. And so they would read other books, eventually arriving to a book that actually tells the truth about me.So, I personally wouldn't mind a book either, why should sheikh Osama?
As for him doing it, I think Usamah has changed over the past 4 years, he has been thru things he had not planned.
Me two, I went thru something known as...um...oh yea...life.Unfortunatly I don't get to plan my life either...
his daughter in law died in the mountains during childbirth during the spring offensive
2.243 . Bethink thee ( O Muhammad ) of those of old , who went forth from their habitations in their thousands , fearing death , and Allah said unto them : Die , and then He brought them back to life . Lo! Allah is a Lord of Kindness to mankind , but most of mankind give not thanks .
3.156 . O ye who believe! Be not as those who disbelieved and said of their brethren who went abroad in the land or were fighting in the field : If they had been ( here ) with us they would not have died or been killed ; that Allah may make it anguish in their hearts . Allah giveth life and causeth death ; and Allah is Seer of what ye do .
He is not a terrorist on a random rampage. He is a messenger with purpose, sometimes with prose, always with compassion and conscience.
Here we have some agreement.
But let's remember his last video, the one the US government and British government didn't even allow to be aired. They said it had a secret message in it calling for attacks. In that video, if you had the chance to see it, he said he took no part in 9/11 (but gave his blessings to those who did if they were Muslims).In that video, he talked with his usual style, and he actually looked like himself.(I bet it was the good ol' morning coffee)
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I don't understand why everyone here thinks Osama is some sort of hero?
He's as guilty as Bush is. If he was innocent, he would have put out many video's declaring his innocence, thats what any innocent person would have done, but he hasn't.
Why is he still alive? Because Bush is keeping him alive. He is an EMPLOYEE of BUSH. He works for the USA.
9/11 was setup so BUSH and his cronies could take control of the OIL and scare people into RE-ELECTING him, which he has succeeded in doing.
OSAMA is BUSH's EMPLOYEE...on his Payroll...
Check out this info... http://www.policestate21.com/
Why is he still alive? Because Bush is keeping him alive. He is an EMPLOYEE of BUSH. He works for the USA.
only Allah is keeping him alive, please get your facts right.
OSAMA is BUSH's EMPLOYEE...on his Payroll...
this is an old story that didnt sell at all. usama is my hero and will remain one untill he is fighting the taghut/kuffar/evil.
you might think the US is sole power on earth, but my faith is there is a super power of Allah on heaven and earth, and is watching over all of us!
you might have given the authority to US government to ask every body to prove their innonence, while they themselves are the sole and the biggest guilty party on earth!! have you got no sense then? dont you know what US did to saddam even when he said he doesnt have WMD? do you still have doubts about US government's insanity?
have you then lost your sense of good and evil?
and by the way by the word 'you' i dont strictly mean you but all the people with your thinking, so dont think you are alone . just like when you bash usama i feel the bashing too.
wassalam
lubna
only Allah is keeping him alive, please get your facts right.
You're right about that, Allah controls everyone's fate.
I just don't understand how EDUCATED muslim's can side with him? You say he is fighting the kuffar.
I personally will not call anyone a kuffar because I fear Allah and only Allah knows the truth.
There are video's of him denying 9/11 and there are video's of him accepting responsibility for 9/11. Which one is it? Why can't he make up his mind?
You DO NOT KILL innocent people in ISLAM! Yes, someone will argue, "but they killed our people", this does not give us the right to stoop to their UN-ISLAMIC level. All this violence done by other Muslims, these suicide bombings, these plane crashings, these bombings, are all a sacrelege against the BEAUTIFUL religion of ISLAM.
This is an old story that didnt sell at all. Usama is my hero and will remain one until he is fighting the taghut/kuffar/evil. You might think the US is sole power on earth, but my faith is there is a super power of Allah on heaven and earth, and is watching over all of us!
Allah is watching over all of us, there's no argument there. Allah gave people brains too, and that was done for a reason, so people can differ from right and wrong.
You might have given the authority to US government to ask every body to prove their innonence, while they themselves are the sole and the biggest guilty party on earth!! Have you got no sense then? Don't you know what US did to saddam even when he said he doesnt have WMD? Do you still have doubts about US government's insanity? Have you then lost your sense of good and evil?!
I haven't given anyone any kind of authority. I am just stating common knowledge. The US government is definitely the biggest guilty party, but there are OTHERS involved. What the US did to Saddam? If you want to call anyone a Kaffir, call him one. Yes, I beleive he did not have any WMD's, and he is also in CAHOOTS with the US. Why do you think he's still ALIVE?
Here's a list of his CRIMES, you tell me if he seems like a good person.
1. The killing of Sunni religious leaders such as Abdul Aziz Al Badri the Imam of Dragh district mosque in Baghdad in 1969, Al Shaikh Nadhum Al Asi from Ubaid tribe in Northern Iraq, Al Shiakh Al Shahrazori, Al Shaikh Umar Shaqlawa, Al Shiakh Rami Al Kirkukly, Al Shiakh Mohamad Shafeeq Al Badri, Abdul Ghani Shindala.
2. The arrest of hundreds of Iraqi Islamic activists and the execution of five religious leaders in 1974.
3. The arrest of thousand of religious people who rose up against the regime and the killing of hundreds of them in the popular uprising of 1977 in which Ayatollah Mohamad Baqir Al Hakim the leader of SCIRI was sentenced to life imprisonment.
4. The arrest, torture and executions of tens of religious scholars and Islamic activists in such as Qasim Shubbar, Qasim Al Mubarqaa in 1979.
5. The arrest, torture and execution of Ayatollah Mohamad baqir Al Sadr and his sistre Amina Al Sadr (Bint Al Huda) in 1980.
6. The war against Iran in 1980 in which hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed, and many doubles of that number were handicapped or missed.
7. The arrest of 90 members of Al Hakim family and the execution of 16 members of that family in 1983 to put pressure on Ayatollah Mohamad Baqir Al Hakim to stop his struggle against Saddam's regime.
8. Using chemical weapons in the North and the South.
9. The occupation of Kuwait which resulted in killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and injuring many doubles of that number in addition to the destruction of Iraq.
10. The assassination of many opposition figures outside Iraq such Haj Sahal Al Salman in UAE in 1981, Sami Mahdi and Ni'ma Mohamad in Pakistan in 1987, Sayed Mahdi Al Hakim in Sudan in 1988, and Shaikh Talib Al Suhail in Lebanon in 1994.
11. The execution of 21 Bath Party leaders in 1979 in Iraq , the assassination of Hardan Al Tikriti former defence Minister in Kuwait in 1973, and the former Prime- Minister Abdul Razzaq Al naef in London 1978.
12. The infamous massacre at Halabja - gassing of the Kurds
And there's many more, but everyone is BLINDED because he is a MUSLIM by NAME only, just like OSAMA. They BOTH would have been captured and killed by now if they were just plain old joe's, but they work WITH the CORRUPT US GOVERNMENT, the same GOVT. that FUNDED them!!!!
and by the way by the word 'you' i dont strictly mean you but all the people with your thinking, so dont think you are alone . just like when you bash usama i feel the bashing too.
I understand you completely, yet I don't. I don't understand how a smart, intelligent, muslim woman as yourself can be so blinded...
I pray that Allah helps ALL MUSLIMS follow the STRAIGHT PATH in life.
Sura #98, Verse #5 - Wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo Allaha mukhliseena lahu alddeena hunafaa wayuqeemoo alssalata wayutoo alzzakata wathalika deenu alqayyimat -- And no other command was given to them except that they should serve Allāh devoting (purifying) their Deen (Islamic Way of Life) for HIM Alone, turning completely towards HIM, and establish Prayer (Salāt) and pay the poor-dues (Zakāt). This is the only Right and Straight Deen (Islamic Way of Life).
Assalamualaikum Wahrematullah Wabarakatoho...
I personally will not call anyone a kuffar because I fear Allah and only Allah knows the truth.....
can i ask who is that other group named 'kaffirrine' that Allah addresses in the Quraan apart from the mumineen? which you apparently dont seem to know of!
You DO NOT KILL innocent people in ISLAM! Yes, someone will argue, "but they killed our people", this does not give us the right to stoop to their UN-ISLAMIC level. All this violence done by other Muslims, these suicide bombings, these plane crashings, these bombings, are all a sacrelege against the BEAUTIFUL religion of ISLAM.....
there are two types of muslims 1. one who understand islam and will defend it by all means possible and try to implement it as it ought to be inshaALlah. 2. who only worship islam and will not even raise a finger to do do anything for it, but will carry on doing the 'dikr' .....'i love islam ,islam is peace, islam is beautiful'......
. What the US did to Saddam? If you want to call anyone a Kaffir, call him one. Yes, I beleive he did not have any WMD's, and he is also in CAHOOTS with the US. Why do you think he's still ALIVE? ....
you missed the point it wasnt saddam that was the issue in my last post but the authority of US to demand every one, every nation and every country , the proof of its innocence! they are simply playing God like firown and the inshaALlah are heading to the fate of firown too.
and what is this non sense of 'staying alive= US agent'.....you and me are alive too!!
And there's many more, but everyone is BLINDED because he is a MUSLIM by NAME only, just like OSAMA. They BOTH would have been captured and killed by now if they were just plain old joe's, but they work WITH the CORRUPT US GOVERNMENT, the same GOVT. that FUNDED them!!!!....
so why doesnt US kill osama and put a damper on muslims like me who get thier aspirations from him, and are motivated by his movement of fighting the kuffar! what is stoping you from the other possibilty that US cant get hold of osama? dont you know if Allah wants to save some one , no one can harm and if Allah wants to harm some one no one can save. please read how Allah made firown to look after musa as in his own palace! do you have no faith in Allah's plans then?
I don't understand how a smart, intelligent, muslim woman as yourself can be so blinded...
simple, you might not have that insight to see my vision, and think i am blind....... ;)
may Allah guide us all to the truth Ameen, give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands soon Ameen
wassalam
lubna
can i ask who is that other group named 'kaffirrine' that Allah addresses in the Quraan apart from the mumineen? which you apparently dont seem to know of!
No, unfortunately, I don't. Like I said before, I am not as smart as others. Especially you. You seem to like to point it out that I am stupid.
There are two types of muslims 1. one who understand islam and will defend it by all means possible and try to implement it as it ought to be inshaALlah. 2. who only worship islam and will not even raise a finger to do do anything for it, but will carry on doing the 'dikr' .....'i love islam ,islam is peace, islam is beautiful'......!
Ok? So you bviously think I'm part of the second group you state, but I know myself, and Allah know's me, and you don't. I don't need to defend my DEEN to you.
you missed the point it wasnt saddam that was the issue in my last post but the authority of US to demand every one, every nation and every country , the proof of its innocence! they are simply playing God like firown and the inshaALlah are heading to the fate of firown too.
and what is this non sense of 'staying alive= US agent'.....you and me are alive too!!
I see your point.
so why doesnt US kill osama and put a damper on muslims like me who get thier aspirations from him, and are motivated by his movement of fighting the kuffar! what is stoping you from the other possibilty that US cant get hold of osama? dont you know if Allah wants to save some one , no one can harm and if Allah wants to harm some one no one can save. please read how Allah made firown to look after musa as in his own palace! do you have no faith in Allah's plans then?
You have no RIGHT do doubt my faith in ALLAH, how dare you?
simple, you might not have that insight to see my vision, and think i am blind....... ;)
This was a good debate starter :) But, everyone has their own opinions and I don't plan on changing anyone's. It's just human nature to argue back and forth defending each's thoughts, and I am not smart enough to do that.
may Allah guide us all to the truth Ameen, give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands soon Ameen. wassalam
lubna
Inshallah...
I'm probably going to get flamed for this,
you got what you were expecting, didnt want your post to pass 'raw'.....but now that you got the heat you are asking for mercy and want to be let off under-cooked :) ....ok so shall be it.
nice talking to you bro yaqoub, and please do forgive me for any hurt that i might have caused unintentionally. sometimes it is hard to control the heat of the passion.
p.s i admire your humility.
may Allah guide us all to the truth Ameen
your sister in islam
lubna
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