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Usamah Bin Laden’s Message - Lessons For America
Fear is generated when the weaker party faces an imminent attack from the more powerful rival; such emotions are not innate but the product of the circumstances. However, those who are tyrannical the fear is a constant companion that always follows them around. Thus, dictators, oppressive kings and even democratically elected leaders surround themselves with constant protection from the very people they claim to be representing. Conversely, the strong should have nothing to fear, particularly when they are also just in their conduct.
In response to Usamah Bin Laden’s recent election-message the response generated within the US is one of panic. How is it that a superpower can be so afraid of a handful of people with very limited resources? Such a fear cannot be attributed to the ‘weaknesses of the US or the ‘strengths’ of Al-Qaeda in military terms. The only other possible explanation is: the tyrannical behaviour of the US towards other nations that has generated this constant fear. A guilty mind will always manifests in its behaviour.
When the Arabs/Muslims see video footages of US soldiers are shooting defenceless civilians in Fallujah whilst they enjoy the actual event with their cowboy chants, it does not require think-tanks to elaborate the source of this anger and resentment. Indeed, it is not just such incidences but the oppression for the last 80 years inflicted upon the Islamic world has created this deep resentment. The current war is simply adding further fuel.
The spin factory of the US government blames ‘poverty’ as one of the major causes for this anger that has in turn led to the growth of Islamic fundamentalism. Note the measure of Islamic radicalism is not how devout the Muslims are but how much they oppose Western domination and designs in the region. Economic depravation leads to anger but that would be naturally directed at their own government unless of course if the government is noting more than a puppet of a colonial foreign power behind the scenes. Furthermore, Islamic movements are full of people from all sections of the society; Usamah Bin Laden himself is a multi-millionaire.
Then the likes of Richard Perl, the godfather of the neo-cons blame Al-Jazeera’s coverage of the war but not the action of the US government and its troops! Blowing up women and children is fine but not extensive media coverage of that, unless of course you are talking about American lives! Richard Perl’s motto is: even if you are in pain don’t scream and complain too loudly! If Richard had his way Abu-Ghraib would have remained a rumour generated by the conspiracy theorists.
The final argument is that the source of anger is the product of ideological indoctrination carried out by the radical Islamic scholars. Could that accusation of indoctrination not apply equally in both directions? Take a simple test; ask some ordinary Americans which is the largest Muslim country in the world. I did that, whilst I was an undergraduate at a university in Texas, the students had problem as they did not know the names of many Muslim countries. I was amused and decided to pose similar questions to the lecturers; they did not do any better. This is supposed to be coming from the cream of their society imagine its masses.
Let’s face it; the US masses are one of the most insular people of the world and perhaps the least informed. Their opinions are formed by the information received after it has been filtered by the Zionist controlled institutions.
When it comes to indoctrination, there is no contest between the powers of the high-tech mass media transmitting to all corners of earth compared to a few isolated radical Islamic scholars. In any case the anger and the uniformity of the opinion in the Islamic world are across all sections of the society - not confined to the religious parts. When your people are being uprooted, killed and oppressed you do not need external indoctrination to become emotionally charged!
Richard Perl and his neo-con cabal along with the US government are in a quest to rebuild the Islamic world in their image. The only obstacles are the fundamentalists, i.e. those who actually resisting the West. But, why do they resist? Now that we have dealt with poverty, indoctrination, the only reason left is that they are inherently violent.
So the Americans are taught that Jihad teaches the Muslims to kill all infidels indiscriminately! In Hollywood terms they are the bad guys; recently many of these bad guys have for some reason turned out to be of French character. This simplistic view is commonly held by many Americans; insular minds are easily susceptible to brainwashing.
The reality is the something very different. First of all, Jihad is about propagating Islam not annihilating nations, which would defeat the very notion of Jihad itself. Muslims would only use Nuclear weapons (even George Bush’s mini-nukes) as a last resort in self-defence, not as a pre-emptive move for world domination or seeking national ‘security’!
Secondly, if the Muslims were violent inherently such phenomena would exist across all section of the Islamic world throughout history. So, why do the Palestinians exhibit violence but not the Malaysians? Why have the Iraqis suddenly resorted to beheadings and abductions? Did they wake up and get the Jihad bug! It is the occupation and the destruction of their countries that has generated such a response.
This week it was reported 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed to date, largely from the precision air-strikes that we keep hearing about; the victims are substantially made up of women and children. Obviously General Tommy Frank did not provide the data as he dislikes counting dead bodies. The source was in fact from Americans and again, it was not from Michael Moore. Yet most of the Americans continue to believe that it is the Iraqi resistance fighting in their own lands are the ‘terrorists’ not those who took 100,000 civilians. This is the ultimate proof as to who really is indoctrinated and cultured with a violent mind incapable of distinguishing between the victim and aggressor.
Thus, when Usamah Bin Laden appears calm and serene, delivers a message that is sound instead of a mad man waving a Kalashnikov bent on killing anyone, it causes some level of difficulty. His message was simple, an eye from an eye. Don’t undermine our security we won’t retaliate. Look at other countries like Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland, who also loves freedom, democracy and capitalism. Then comes the usual argument of 9/11 – Richard Perl said this is the beginning of history, again the Americans need to take a look at their conduct in the region for the last fifty years. Hamas came after 1948 likewise Al-Qaeda and 9/11 came well after 1982.
Those who are impartial to this conflict might observe the one or two line responses from Kerry and Bush that sounds like ranting as opposed to addressing the points raised by Usamah Bin Laden. Yet, we still hear the propaganda of the rightwing cabal that Jihadist does not have a message and they are just interested in killing indiscriminately. It is as absurd as when the British government were claiming that they were trying to find out what the kidnappers of Mr. Bigley wanted, even though the rest of the world knew of their demands, i.e. release the Muslims women prisoners from the Iraqi jails.
Americans needs to understand, that their crimes will be avenged as will be the case with the Israelis. Udham Singh (also known as Mohammed Singh Azad) witnessed the cold blooded murder of his people as a child at the Amritsar massacre in northern India in 13 April 1919. The British forces fired on the unarmed civilians demonstrating peacefully. Michael O'Dwyer, was the Governor of the region, he was subsequently awarded for his service by the House of Lords, like the recent promotion given to those who were in charge of Abu-Ghraib.
Udham Sing plotted to avenge for these deaths, he travelled to England, eventually shot and killed Michael O’Dwyer in 1940. This is human nature. Hence, the children of Iraq and the children from Morocco to Indonesia may well be plotting to avenge for the US and Israeli crimes in the Islamic world. The Americans may have the biggest muscles for now but that will never give them security. A tyrant is always fearful deep down and constantly invokes security as a means to perpetuate the aggression. His defence and security constitutes the total annihilation of others or their complete subjugation.
Yamin Zakaria
London, UK
Copyright © 2004 by Yamin Zakaria
May Allah (swt) preserve him and gve him the taufeeq to give the Kuffar a taste of what Muslims have had to put up with for years.
A Nuclear bomb would be nice
wildlifer
01-11-2004, 20:00
May Allah (swt) preserve him and gve him the taufeeq to give the Kuffar a taste of what Muslims have had to put up with for years.
A Nuclear bomb would be nice
Unfortunately that would mean the probable vaporization of every Islamic Holy site in the Middle East, with Mecca targeted first.
dennist
Member # 154
posted 10-07-2004 10:23 PM
This one ought to get a response from you know who.
I've known the author for 36 years, since we were kids. And he's for real.
dennist
MAD IN MECCA
Behind The Lines
Dr. Jack Wheeler
Wednesday, October 6, 2004
It was time once again to have a couple of Glen Moranjies on the rocks at the Cosmos Club with my friend Larry. It’s on Massachusetts Avenue in DC, across the river from where Larry works in this very large five-sided building.
“You heard what the Vice-President said last night, right?” he asked. Since this was rhetorical, I let him continue. “Sure, his put downs of the Breck Boy were great, but this is the sentence to key in on:
The biggest threat we face today is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
“There is simply no doubt that Cheney is right. The question is what can we possibly do about it?”
“What comes up for me,” I replied, “is Bush’s strategy of playing offense, not just defense. His main argument for the war in Iraq – which obviously I agree with – is taking the fight to the enemy, not hunkering down in Fortress America. As he says, ‘We’re fighting the terrorists there so we don’t have to fight them here’.”
Larry gave me a funny look and invited me to go on.
“So the question is,” I continued, “how can we go on the offensive against nukes smuggled into our cities? We can blow up Iran’s facilities – and we’d better do that fast. But that’s not the problem here, which is the acquisition of already-existing nukes – say, Russian small atomic demolitions or ‘suitcase’ nukes. If one of these were detonated in downtown New York, it would make September 11 look like a stubbed toe. Maybe there’s a way to play the MAD game with the Moslems.”
There was something very self-satisfied about Larry’s smile. “Great Scotch is always the best accompaniment to great conversation. How would we play such a game, Jack?” he asked.
“Well, the Soviets had thousands of nuclear missiles aimed at us – and the only thing that prevented their use was the infamous strategy of MAD – Mutual Assured Destruction – since we had thousands of missiles aimed at them. We had no desire whatever to wipe Moscow and other Soviet cities off the map – but we could, and so nukes were never used during the entire Cold War. We’ve got to have, I think, a similar strategy with Moslem Terrorists.”
“But for such a strategy to be effective there has to be a target,” countered Larry. “The Soviet Union was in one geographical location with specific targets of extreme value to the Soviets such as Moscow. This isn’t the case with the terrorists who are spread out all over the place. You can’t target them geographically.”
“Yes, you can,” I argued back. “All terrorists who threaten us with a smuggled nuke attack have one thing in common: they are Moslems, rabidly, fanatically Moslem. They may be all over the planet individually, but there is one specific geographical target of such extreme value to all of them in common that its threatened destruction could be a sufficient deterrent. A deterrent of such horror that they would not risk blowing up an American city with a suitcase nuke.”
“And what would that target be?” asked Larry.
My answer was one word. “Mecca.”
“You’re serious,” he responded.
“Of course I’m serious,” I replied. “Do you think the terrorists aren’t?”
“Ah, Jack, I’m just yanking your chain,” he chided me. “We’ve read your briefing papers on this – the ones you wrote three years ago.”
“I am abashed,” I said with a smile.
“And in those three years since September 11, it could be possible that we took those suggestions of yours and… improved them.”
Good grief, do these guys know how to set a hook. All I could do was relax and let him reel me in.
“The threat we’re talking about is not some Islamic ICBM, it’s a nuclear bomb weighing a few dozen to a few hundred pounds, small enough to smuggle and be hidden in one of our cities,” he explained. “So, what if – and this is just pure speculation, a thought experiment – we did the same? What if there already is a small undetectable nuke hidden in an undiscoverable location in Mecca? It’s just as easy to smuggle something into Saudi Arabia as it is to the US – especially if it’s by a Delta Force team who speaks colloquial Arabic and can quote half the Koran.
“Remember, this is just speculation, but to continue the thought experiment, let’s say it’s a W-80 warhead from a cruise missile. It weighs 290 pounds, about a foot wide, 2 ½ feet long, and can be variously configured to have a yield of anywhere from 5 to 150 kilotons. The “Little Boy” that was dropped on Hiroshima was about 15 kilotons. The W-80’s yield would have a blast radius configured to incinerate all of Mecca. The “pit” is made of supergrade weapons plutonium which has a half-life of 24,000 years, rendering Islam’s holiest site an uninhabitable radioactive hole in the ground for a very long time.
“The W-80 is part of the US ‘enhanced stockpile’ and approved for ‘refurbishment’ by the Nuclear Weapons Council in 2001. That includes new neutron generators, redesign of the electrical system, and replacement of various components. So let’s further speculate that one of them was custom refurbished. The protective casing allows zero radiation leakage so it’s undetectable. It’s equipped with a signal recognition system that responds only to a single, very specific, complex digital code sent by a ‘unique signal generator’ from a satellite. Spoofing signals or noise and other interference will not cause arming. Once and if – only if – the signal is received, the W-80 detonates.
“Terrorists need to know, Jack, they are screwing with the wrong people. We nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki with no regrets and no apologies. These terrorist pigs need to know if they nuke us, Mecca will cease to exist. All it will take is one instantaneous satellite signal. Now – is that MAD enough for you, buddy?”
Needless to say, I ordered another Glen Moranjie.
“I must admit I never thought of that one,” I finally stammered. “Not needing to decide to launch something, but it being already there, buried and signal-ready. That’s some kind of improvement.”
“We thought you’d be impressed,” Larry gloated. “Of course, I haven’t confirmed anything. You and I are simply having a speculative conversation. It’s important, though, that the Islamofascists wonder about this, wonder if this is only a thought experiment… or not. I’m not saying this is true. I’m saying it might be true.”
“How will you get them to wonder?” I asked.
“They’ll get the word, through a variety of channels,” was his answer. “Why do you think I’m talking to you about it?”
Larry then went back to his office in the E-Ring while I sat in solitude musing about what I had just heard. What a concept, I thought. There lies an ultimate deterrent, hidden and inert, not a threat to anyone or anything as it silently lies there waiting for a signal that may never – and hopefully will never – come. Yet the image of what lies buried somewhere in their Holy City could indeed cause an Al Qaeda maniac to ask himself, “Is my hatred for America and the destruction of one of its many cities worth the obliteration of the most sacred place on earth?”
MAD in Mecca (http://www.arn.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001337#000000)
This Abrahamic sibling rivalry has sure gotten old.
Unfortunately that would mean the probable vaporization of every Islamic Holy site in the Middle East, with Mecca targeted first.
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surah fil, when abraha tried to attack kaba with a big army and elephants!!
105.1 . Hast thou not seen how thy Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant?
105.2 . Did He not bring their stratagem to naught ,
105.3 . And send against them swarms of flying creatures ,
105.4 . Which pelted them with stones of baked clay
105.5 . And made them like green crops devoured ( by cattle ) ?
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i am definitley interested in seeing the humans changed into devoured crops!!
these threats against our holy sites do not decrease our faith in Allah and His help at all! not even by fraction but on the contrary they increase it Alhumdulillah.
but what do the faith less people know about it.....they have no clue at all.it will remain a mystery to them until its too late for them.
so my point.....when things get out of muslims hands they leave it to Allah, and HE never runs out of plans, be it the nations of Lut or of Nuh, or be it a stupid man like Abraha.
but rest assured the jihad against the evil forces will carry on inshaAllah.
peace after justice
lubna
wildlifer
02-11-2004, 00:55
surah fil, when abraha tried to attack kaba with a big army and elephants!!
105.1 . Hast thou not seen how thy Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant?
105.2 . Did He not bring their stratagem to naught ,
105.3 . And send against them swarms of flying creatures ,
105.4 . Which pelted them with stones of baked clay
105.5 . And made them like green crops devoured ( by cattle ) ?
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i am definitley interested in seeing the humans changed into devoured crops!!
these threats against our holy sites do not decrease our faith in Allah and His help at all! not even by fraction but on the contrary they increase it Alhumdulillah.
All I can say is if it were to happen, good luck with that pilgrimage to Mecca. Be sure and wear a lead suit.
but what do the faith less people know about it.....they have no clue at all.it will remain a mystery to them until its too late for them.
Well clue me in dear.
so my point.....when things get out of muslims hands they leave it to Allah, and HE never runs out of plans, be it the nations of Lut or of Nuh, or be it a stupid man like Abraha.
Yeah, I can tell, that philosophy's served the Palestinians real well.
but rest assured the jihad against the evil forces will carry on inshaAllah.
peace after justice
lubna
Define objective evil.
May Allah (swt) preserve him and gve him the taufeeq to give the Kuffar a taste of what Muslims have had to put up with for years.
A Nuclear bomb would be nice
A nuclear bomb would kill many people, they would not be enlightened or awakened or have the chance to repent and change. Jesus himself said that God would destroy those he deemed needed to be destroyed when he comes back to judge everyone; yet it is also foretold that in the End Times right before Judgement Day, death angels would be given the ways and means to kill 1/3 of mankind. Do you regard Usamah as one of those? I think he is a messenger, he is just fed up with trying to be ask nicely, so he resorts to attacks that will force people to think even if it is only out of self seeking self preservation.
Assalaamu alaikum.
There is this outer-surrounding-ring check point on all roads leading into Makkah, at which all persons entering must pass thru. And although it is surely and obviously a police checkpoint, it is still quite easy for non-muslims to pass thru. I mean, as we ourselves pass thru, if they notice that we are wearing either the dress obviously for making hajj or umrah, they don't even ask for identification cards. Same thing goes if we are entering thru the checkpoint only wearing traditional saudi dress.
In fact, I know of several non-muslims in the region who have accidentally (not of their own intention) passed thru...not realizing even that they were going into Makkah until they found themselves in the middle of the downtown!!
Anyways, as it is utterly impossible to truly prevent any intruders from entering...still Allah protects His slaves and His places as He has promised.
As Sis Lubna has pointed out with the ancient and historical event of the elephants...the haram is a protected region. Even 'muslims' in the past have done their own handiwork to disrupt it.
Just this last year...not even sure if one full year has passed...a woman was found sitting, back propped up against one of the concrete columns in the mosque...and as prayers came and went, people came a went, she remained in same position. And so one of the workers in the mosque came in closer to check on her...and found that she was sitting there in that position-dead.
Now, this may not seem anything to take notice of. And surely, it is not. At least, not until you understand the rest of this story.
As they were removing her body from the area, they discovered something bulky around her mid section. And in her hand was a small remote device, her finger or thumb in position right over the 'on' or 'detination' key.
She had wired her body with a bomb...and she had been ready to click it to go off...seeking to destroy or cause some distruction and disruption to the mosque. But...apparently...just before she was able to go thru with it...Allah took her life instead!!! And did not allow her to cause the destruction she apparently desired!!!
Ya SubhanAllah. La hawla wala quwata illa billah.
This is a true story...I live in the region...and so have access to first hand accounts of many things which do not make the international papers.
Interesting, indeed. And truly inspiring...how Allah takes care of things when we humans are not able to ourselves.
As for Makkah itself, sure it has special meaning to the muslims for the religious rites and rituals to be performed there. And because it is the direction that we have been given to pray towards.
But for all those non-muslims out there...be mindful that Makkah is not our God. And we can survive well without it. It is only the direction that we pray towards. Not the deity that we pray to.
As well, I do believe having read some ahadith of prediction of the destruction of Makkah or the Kaaba before the coming of the judgement. Perhaps I am wrong...and if so...stand to be corrected. But I do believe that I recall reading of this at some time.
Anyways, point to be made: that we do not worship Makkah itself.
Lulua.
[QUOTE=wildlifer]Unfortunately that would mean the probable vaporization of every Islamic Holy site in the Middle East, with Mecca targeted first.
Why is that even an issue. The Messenger (saw) said to the kaaba, "oh black house you are beautiful, but there is one thing more scared in the eyes of Allah (swt) than you and all that surrounds you. That is one drop of Muslim blood". So something more sacred than the mecca has already been bombed, vaporised even, so what do the Muslims have to lose, nothing except to give America and her allies a taste of what they have tasted. And as previously mentioned, a nuclear bomb would be fantastic.
Oh Sheikh Osama
Oh Ameer of Jihad, you are now the universally accepted Imam of this Ummah. The Prophet (saw) said "al Imam Ul Junnah". The imam is a shield from which behind the Muslims fight. Ya Sheikh! lead the way for this Ummah, Fire the Nuclear tipped Missiles and Insha'allah Allah (swt) will carry them to the Kuffar like He (swt) carried the sand of Badr into the eyes of the Quresh.
Mujadid
A nuclear bomb would kill many people, they would not be enlightened or awakened or have the chance to repent and change. Jesus himself said that God would destroy those he deemed needed to be destroyed when he comes back to judge everyone; yet it is also foretold that in the End Times right before Judgement Day, death angels would be given the ways and means to kill 1/3 of mankind. Do you regard Usamah as one of those? I think he is a messenger, he is just fed up with trying to be ask nicely, so he resorts to attacks that will force people to think even if it is only out of self seeking self preservation.
Yes a nuclear bomb would kill alot of people the aim of the attack would be maximum damage. "kill them the way they kill you" are the words of the Prophet (saw) and this is how the Muslims have suffered. As for all this death angel business, I am not Kaafir I am Muslim, from the best of nations to come to mankind. Sheikh Osama bin Muhammad Bin Laden, is the soldier of Allah (swt) on this earth May Allah (swt) preserve him and his company. I don't believe in your death Angels, nor do I care what you say jesus said. I believe Isa (as) is to return and carry the sunnah of Muhammad (saw), that He (as) will have the appearance and the Methodology of His (as) brother, Sheikh Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden ( may Allah (Swt) preserve him).
Mujadid
wildlifer
02-11-2004, 16:58
[QUOTE=wildlifer]Unfortunately that would mean the probable vaporization of every Islamic Holy site in the Middle East, with Mecca targeted first.
Why is that even an issue. The Messenger (saw) said to the kaaba, "oh black house you are beautiful, but there is one thing more scared in the eyes of Allah (swt) than you and all that surrounds you. That is one drop of Muslim blood". So something more sacred than the mecca has already been bombed, vaporised even, so what do the Muslims have to lose, nothing except to give America and her allies a taste of what they have tasted. And as previously mentioned, a nuclear bomb would be fantastic.
Oh Sheikh Osama
Oh Ameer of Jihad, you are now the universally accepted Imam of this Ummah. The Prophet (saw) said "al Imam Ul Junnah". The imam is a shield from which behind the Muslims fight. Ya Sheikh! lead the way for this Ummah, Fire the Nuclear tipped Missiles and Insha'allah Allah (swt) will carry them to the Kuffar like He (swt) carried the sand of Badr into the eyes of the Quresh.
Mujadid
For what purpose? Do you think if Muslim fanatics use such weapons Xtian fanatics will falter in returning fire - 10-fold? Your "Allah" won't protect you anymore than it protected the Palestinians, or the Taliban, or the non-Iraqi fanatics in Iraq from attacks.
I believe it is an issue because Xtian fanatics see Islam as a religion of pagan rituals, hence they would attack all Holy sites that are a part of those perceived rituals.
You also missed the premise of the article. No missle needs be fired. The warhead is allegedly already there. And it doesn't need to be "in" Mecca. It could 50 miles away and still vaporize everything.
And it is such a ignorant tit-for-tat mentality that will be the end of human life on earth.
Hello wildlifer:
Though I have warned you privately I am doing here again publicly.
We request you to moderate your views and namely stop being disrespectful towards Allah.
Your "Allah" won't protect you anymore than it protected the Palestinians, or the Taliban, or the non-Iraqi fanatics in Iraq from attacks..
obviously you are completely ignorant of Allah and His ways....
you better ask israelis how terrified they are of pelestinians suicide bombers, and who inspired this miraculous way of resistance in the palestinians!
and talibans are still resisting alhumdulillah, the only non-iraqi fanatics in iraq are the coalition soldiers....get your facts right please.
And it is such a ignorant tit-for-tat mentality that will be the end of human life on earth.
dont worry human life wont end that quickly, muslims are only trying to get even, and there will still be a lot of muslims left after that, cos we all know muslims multiply faster than their enemy..... :)
Well clue me in dear.
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ok here is a clue for you my dear wildlifer, as well as for others whose faith plays hide and seek with them...... a tale from Rumi
Sanqar the Slave
It is said that a rich man had a slave named Sanqar, who was hard working, honest, feared Allah and abstained from wrongdoing
Always mindful and with a heart full of love for Allah, he was a contrast to his master who was a non-practising Muslim with shaky belief.
Once, at midnight, the master called him aloud to leave his bed, take the luggage and accompany him on a journey. Sanqar made haste, at the first call of his master, left his warm bed, collected the luggage and followed him.
Morning dawned on the way, and they heard the Adhan from a nearby mosque. Sanqar took his master's permission to join the prayers, reckoning that he would sit close by and relax. The master told him to return as soon as possible.
Sanqar entered the mosque and the master, forgetful of Allah, waited outside. The salah completed, all the worshippers and the Imam came out and walked away.
Now the master walked up to the very door of the mosque and called upon Sanqar by name, demanding how was it that he had not come out of the mosque yet, while even the Imam had left. Sanqar replied from within, "O! Master I am trying my best, but they don't let me out. Just hold on for a while. I know you are waiting outside."
The master hurried seven times to the entrance of the mosque, calling Sanqar by name. Hearing the same answer every time, his temper flared up, and he shouted indignantly, "Sanqar! All the men and the Imam have left long ago, what are you doing alone in the mosque? Who is detaining you inside the mosque?" Sanqar's voice rang from inside, "O Master, the same one who is preventing you from entering the mosque, is keeping me inside!"
The Hikayat (story)further continues to explain that Allah has created countless fish in the ocean, but none can leave their limits. Similarly the animals on land cannot live in water. Fish belong to water and animals to dust. The laws of nature are infinitely fixed, and harmoniously set. No one can change them however much he might try.
Some times, though a heavy obstruction, or bar,may disturb,or close or shut down a course normally expected, as if by a mighty lock, and Allah alone can open it. No human being can undo it.
Why don’t you give deep thought to the Quraan. Is your heart locked ( as the master’s heart in this tale?)
Yes a nuclear bomb would kill alot of people the aim of the attack would be maximum damage. "kill them the way they kill you" are the words of the Prophet (saw) and this is how the Muslims have suffered. As for all this death angel business, I am not Kaafir I am Muslim, from the best of nations to come to mankind. Sheikh Osama bin Muhammad Bin Laden, is the soldier of Allah (swt) on this earth May Allah (swt) preserve him and his company. I don't believe in your death Angels, nor do I care what you say jesus said. I believe Isa (as) is to return and carry the sunnah of Muhammad (saw), that He (as) will have the appearance and the Methodology of His (as) brother, Sheikh Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden ( may Allah (Swt) preserve him).
Mujadid
I do agree with you, Usamah is a soldier, he was called to service during his Hajj with his brother Salem, when he went up to the mountain where Muhammad (pbuh) received his revelation. Muslims do believe in angels, so don't you? Muslims believe in "The Book" which was given to the people on the earth before God sent his message via Jibril (an angel) to the Muslim people. If you believe in Jibril, how is it that you do not believe in the others? Jesus is accepted as a prophet even by Islam, he does not get as much recognition because he was sent to try to save the "lost sheep" infidel Israelis, so some people think his messages were only for them; however if you look at what Muhammad tells you, you will find the messages are the same, because they come from the same God.
:confused:
For what purpose? Do you think if Muslim fanatics use such weapons Xtian fanatics will falter in returning fire - 10-fold? Your "Allah" won't protect you anymore than it protected the Palestinians, or the Taliban, or the non-Iraqi fanatics in Iraq from attacks.
I believe it is an issue because Xtian fanatics see Islam as a religion of pagan rituals, hence they would attack all Holy sites that are a part of those perceived rituals.
You also missed the premise of the article. No missle needs be fired. The warhead is allegedly already there. And it doesn't need to be "in" Mecca. It could 50 miles away and still vaporize everything.
And it is such a ignorant tit-for-tat mentality that will be the end of human life on earth.
Let the xtian fanatics fight, we wait for the day when we destroy them with the help of Isa (as). Your weapons etc do not scare us, the events of palestine do not defeat us and the Taliban and Iraq affair is misread by you. The fundamentalist Christians are tasting the wrath of Allah (swt) in these places, we hear the good news every day.
Allah (swt) promises to protect us in the eternal life our life on the earth is pre-written. So when the bombs begin to drop, know that our dead are in paradise and yours are in the Hellfire and with that thought in mind, I say again let the nuclear bombs fall and the vapourisation begin, we Muslims love that death more than you love your life, your wine and your women.
Allah (swt) promises to protect us in the eternal life our life on the earth is pre-written. So when the bombs begin to drop, know that our dead are in paradise and yours are in the Hellfire and with that thought in mind, I say again let the nuclear bombs fall and the vapourisation begin, we Muslims love that death more than you love your life, your wine and your women.
Assalamoalykum brother mujadid
may all the muslims have a strong eemaan and a vivid faith Ameen
here is a verse of Allama Iqbal the great muslim ,poet,thinker and philospher of the east. that sums up the true muslim faith .
shahadat hai matloob , maqsood mumin
na maal-e ghaneemat na kishwar kushaee
meaning,
the sole desire and objective of a mumin is shahada
and not the booty or the expansion of the land
imagine when all of the muslims become like this inshaAllah. at the moment only a small group is true mumin and mujahid, and still the kuffar are sweating!
may Allah give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands soon Ameen
wassalam
lubna
Deathpasser
04-11-2004, 05:51
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu ya Muslimeen
Greetings to everyone else
Jesus is accepted as a prophet even by Islam, he does not get as much recognition because he was sent to try to save the "lost sheep" infidel Israelis, so some people think his messages were only for them; however if you look at what Muhammad tells you, you will find the messages are the same, because they come from the same God.
Yes Esa(as) is accepted as the prophet he was, even in Islam. But the bible is not, the bible is a text corrupted by the desires of man and thus, any qoute allegedly from "Jesus" in the bible is not to be accepted.
If the qoute contradicts Islam, it can't be true
If the qoute doesn't contradict Islam, it may be true
If the qoute agrees with Islam, it is true (even though Esa(as) did not necessarily say it)
Yes, the messages are the same, worship one God, not three. Unfortunatly the bible doesn't pay heed to what Jesus said and the bible isn't true so the only actual qoutes of Jesus we can refer to with 100% assurance are those, if any (I'm not sure), in the Quran and Sunnah.
I do agree with you, Usamah is a soldier, he was called to service during his Hajj with his brother Salem, when he went up to the mountain where Muhammad (pbuh) received his revelation. Muslims do believe in angels, so don't you? Muslims believe in "The Book" which was given to the people on the earth before God sent his message via Jibril (an angel) to the Muslim people. If you believe in Jibril, how is it that you do not believe in the others? Jesus is accepted as a prophet even by Islam, he does not get as much recognition because he was sent to try to save the "lost sheep" infidel Israelis, so some people think his messages were only for them; however if you look at what Muhammad tells you, you will find the messages are the same, because they come from the same God.
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I dont care whether You agree or not Sheikh Osama is a Soldier because Allah (swt) says he is, that is enough for me to say I hear and Obey. We believe in Angels in the way that Allah (swt) and Muhammad (saw) Ordered us to believe, your ideas of the coming of death Angels etc, is Christian Fantasy which the true believers do not believe in. Isa (as) is the prophet of Almighty Allah (swt) and He (as) is known as Ruh Allah, the spirit of Allah (swt). He (as) is not accepted by Islam, rather people accepted Islam because of Him (as) and after Him (as) came His (as) brother and the seal of the prophets, the Nabi Kareem Muhammad ibn Abdullah (saw) who continued the call of Isa (as) calling people to worship Allah (swt) but He (saw) brought with Him (saw) a new revelation and came as a mercy to all of mankind.So yes the message of Isa (as) and the message of Muhammad (saw) came from Allah (swt) but dont take that to mean the current bible which is the work of man and the Qur'an which is Qalam Allah can ever be compared
Mujadid
Assalamoalykum brother mujadid
may all the muslims have a strong eemaan and a vivid faith Ameen
here is a verse of Allama Iqbal the great muslim ,poet,thinker and philospher of the east. that sums up the true muslim faith .
shahadat hai matloob , maqsood mumin
na maal-e ghaneemat na kishwar kushaee
meaning,
the sole desire and objective of a mumin is shahada
and not the booty or the expansion of the land
imagine when all of the muslims become like this inshaAllah. at the moment only a small group is true mumin and mujahid, and still the kuffar are sweating!
may Allah give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands soon Ameen
wassalam
lubna
Wa'Alaykum Assalam my dearest sister in Islam.
Jazak Allah Khair once again for your kind words.
The Kuffar they tremble in their sleep at night when they think about the mujahideen. I swear by Allah there is no need for numbers in the Muslim ranks, there is only need for Imaan. These arrogant people who talk about the power of their weapons they are nothing but modern day Phiraouns. They know not that it is the Sunnah of Allah Azzorwajjal that empires rise and fall and the Sunnah of Allah (Swt) cannot be changed. The signs of the destruction of America and its allies is there. The Muslims must now band together and prepare, for not too far is the time when the tides turn and then sister I swear by Him in whose hand is my soul we will not rest, not rest till every drop of Muslim blood is avenged and every tear shed requited and accounted for.
May Allah (swt) Bless this Ummah with more people like our Amir ul Jihad Sheikh Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden and destroy the kuffar through their hands.
Wa'salaam
Mujadid
For what purpose? Do you think if Muslim fanatics use such weapons Xtian fanatics will falter in returning fire - 10-fold? Your "Allah" won't protect you anymore than it protected the Palestinians, or the Taliban, or the non-Iraqi fanatics in Iraq from attacks.
I believe it is an issue because Xtian fanatics see Islam as a religion of pagan rituals, hence they would attack all Holy sites that are a part of those perceived rituals.
You also missed the premise of the article. No missle needs be fired. The warhead is allegedly already there. And it doesn't need to be "in" Mecca. It could 50 miles away and still vaporize everything.
And it is such a ignorant tit-for-tat mentality that will be the end of human life on earth.
For your Info
WAS FALLUJAH SAVED BY "DIVINE INTERVENTION"?
Posted by NEWS on 29/10/2004, 16:48:13
FALLUJAH SAVED BY "DIVINE INTERVENTION"?
Residents say God sent spiders, ghost riders and other creatures to join their fight against American troops.
By Awadh al-Taie in Baghdad
An image hangs on the walls of mosques in Fallujah that seems to show United States soldiers with foot-long spiders dangling off them.
Some people describe the image as merely two camel spiders joined together. But many Fallujans say the picture shows a giant spider sent by God to attack US troops in the battle for their town in April.
"The soldier says that it runs fast - about 40 kilometres per hour. It is poisonous and it makes a screaming sound," said a poster in the mosque, entitled "Miracle of God in Fallujah".
Although no Fallujans interviewed by IWPR claimed to have seen the beasts, many had heard tales about them.
"A spider emerged from the railway tracks near the Golan neighbourhood," said Abid Bin Allawi Ubeid,32 , a public servant in Fallujah's electricity department. "It killed 60 Marines."
The heavenly arachnid is just one of several supernatural entities, including white-robed horsemen and doves, said to have taken up the fight against US forces.
Ubeid said he had heard of white doves which hovered over Marine snipers and gave away their positions, as well as phantom white-robed knights on white horses who attacked the American troops.
One insurgent, who refused to give his name, claimed to have experienced divine intervention during the fighting.
Although he fired 150 rounds from his PKS machinegun at two Apache attack helicopters from a hilltop near al-Thirthar lake, the fighter said he was protected from being spotted. "It was a veil made by Almighty God," he said.
The insurgent even credits divine intervention for the US decision not to press its attack on the city, "God sent these creatures to support us. I can't imagine that the Coalition forces would have been unable to deal with a city like Fallujah, especially when you see their equipment and numbers," he said.
Local religious leaders support such claims, too.
"Such things can be, because God has soldiers on earth and in the sky," said Sheikh Jamal Shaker, the imam or leader of a local mosque.
Shaker himself said he was aware of at least one miracle in which the bodies of fallen mujahidin or fighters did not decay, but instead "smelled of musk".
Assalamoalykum and hello to all
here is another perspective of usama 's video. as for me i have not formulated any opinion so far, still gathering information( i have learnt a valueable tip from xioncrow, i.e not to be '' quick to judge and slow to learn''.... :) ) and especially at this time of lies and deceptions you got to be very careful and wait and see who is getting the end benifit and who has motives and who is using the sincere motives of others in their own beinfit by twisting it. but as a golden rule i dont think negative of my muslims brethern 1st, no matter how hard the 'evidences' are. and what helps me to follow this command of Allah is a simple common sense technique.i.e if I as an average muslim know something that is against islam, then how come my other brethern that are at the forefront of fight with evil not know it! them being at the forefront is proof enough of their strong eemaan and good knowledge of islam. cos Allah says in the Quraan the ultimate test of ones eemaan is the test of wealth and life!
back to the article, i have highlited the bits that i think should be given much thought. and might help us to see the truth, which is like finding the needle in a hay stack. but even if we dont, given the time truth will come out like oil in water inshaAllah.
as for the winning of the bush and the role of video, bush was going to win any way like he did last time by fraud and cheating. he doesnt need any video.... but he can sure use the video to make muslims angry at Usama that he helped him, so they either have to reject the video as fake or accept Usama as stupid....just a thought... and i am doing none of the two so far.... :) . in an effort not to be played in the hands of media inshaAllah. and hoping that even if it is fake , it will surely turn against the kuffar as Allah is the best of planner!
i remember a funny verse of urdu poet 'Akbar ila Abadi', he was a poet some 100 years ago in subcontinent, i hope there are some people who understand urdu, as it loses it spontaneity when translated in english....but here it is
tawqu khayer ki rahko na labour* say na torry* say
kay aatta mil nahin sakta kabhi chunay ki boree say
meaning,
dont expect good either from bush* or kerry*
as you cant draw flour from the sack of lime
( i have replaced the words labour and torry by bush and kerry)
wassalam
lubna
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SPECIAL REPORT: Analysis Of Sheikh Osama Bin Ladin's Speech
On The Eve Of The U.S. Election
Nov 02, 2004
By Abdul Samad Ibnu Khaleel Abu Baseer. Published Exclusively by JUS
Bismillaah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem
"…if the Nations of the world gather together (in a coalition of the willing) to harm you with anything, they would harm you only with something Allaah had already prescribed for you..."
[Hadeeth Saheeh, Arbaoun Nawawi]
Shaykh Usama bin Laden burst into the U.S. election campaign on Saturday (laylat al-badr), releasing his first video tape in more than a year, to deride the war monger (harb'ee) and Crusader (salibi'een) George W Bush and warn of possible new Sept. 11-style attacks. His videotaped warning to the American people aired by Al-Jazeera Arabic TV on Friday night was as lethal as any military operation, as it utilized the explosive power of thoughts (al-ghazwaa al-fikree). Bin Laden, taunted Bush who four years ago vowed to take him "dead or alive" and said Bush had failed Americans with his Middle East policies and has deceived the nation.
The video message was interesting for a number of reasons:
1.Bin Laden's appearance proved categorically to the American people that Bush has wasted two hundred billion dollars ($200,000,000,000) and more than a thousand American lives (plus 100,000 Iraqi lives) without making the world or America any safer from Islamic terrorism. This tape was proof that Bush is a total failure in his own "war on terror"!
2.Bin Laden's appearance on video was exquisitely timed, allowing him to elbow himself into the limelight of the presidential elections (with all its media frenzy) and to top the TV ratings with a message saying that he was alive, free, in good health, confident, and in a place safe enough for making and distributing videotapes. Furthermore, his appearance made hay of the rampant speculation of the last 2 weeks that he had been captured and or killed.
At the same time, Bin Laden utilized a clean and direct prose, free of any hyperbole, poetry and flowery rhetoric. There were no religious motifs, no citations from the Qur'an and the Sunnah (the prophetic sayings of Muhammad) and no theological arguments. His speech was that of a statesman. This was a clear indication that his message was specifically aimed at American voters rather than the Muslims.
For the Muslims, Bin Laden's speech was a wake up call after decades of harboring a defeated mentality when it came to the West that Allaah had blessed the Muslim nation once again with people of Tawheed (monotheism) and people who stood firm in the face of the Crusader aggression. It showed the Muslims how a single individual without the pomp and ceremony of the Democratic and Republican parties could bedazzle the whole world with his message of truth and certainty.
3.The release of the video tape was timed to coincide with an historic moment in the world's history. It was on the 17th of Ramadan, fourteen hundred years ago, that the Muslim army of Madeenah led by the Prophet Muhammad (saws) defeated the powerful standing army of the city-state of Quraysh (a regional power in the Arabian Peninsula). It was a devastating defeat for the Quraysh and a historic turning point for the Muslims, after which they thrust forward to conquer the whole of the Arabian Peninsula in just 10 years, banishing the superpower Roman and Persian empires along their way. For Bin Laden to issue his video at this historic moment one might speculate that this may be an sign that Al-Qaida are planning something on the scale of the Victory of Badr that would once again be a turning point in history for the Muslims, allowing them to rise up from their slumber and once again take authority in the land by establishing that Islamic Khilaafah State.
4.His statement: "Despite entering the fourth year after September 11, Bush is still deceiving you (the American people) and hiding the truth (as to why people living in a far away land would wish to strike mainland America and elsewhere). Therefore, the reasons are still there to repeat what happened. Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands and it depends on your policy" is a clear exposition from Bin Ladin, that in his opinion, America has not done anything since the attacks of 9-11 to change its crusading foreign policy, in fact it has become even more belligerent and energetic in transporting its Kufr (non-Islamic) culture values and ideas militarily to the Muslim world by attacking countries like Afghanistan and Iraq.
In Afghanistan and Iraq, America has attempted to set up a sham Democracy led by former CIA agents and traitors Karzai and Allawi. Because of that, the American people should not be surprised if mainland America or American interests are attacked once again.
At the same time Bin Laden dismisses talk of Al-Qaida desiring a Bush presidency or a Kerry presidency by explicitly saying that it doesn't matter to Al-Qaida whether Bush or Kerry is president. By categorically stating that Americans wont taste any security whoever is elected unless or until the U.S. foreign policy changes, Bin Laden clearly identifies the source of the conflict. Bin Laden also clearly alludes to the notion that in a democratic country, the ordinary people are responsible for policy thereby making them jointly liable, when he says, "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands.”
continued....
5. The appeal to ordinary Americans to reconsider U.S. policy towards Muslims echoed the theme of Bin Ladin's last public message, an audiotape in April that offered a truce to European nations if they pulled troops out of the Islamic lands. The Europeans failed to accept the truce opening them up (in Al-Qaida's view) for legitimate attack in the very near future.
6. Contrary to what many commentators are saying, the tape should not be mainly viewed as a threat to attack the U.S. again. There is clearly no doubt that Al-Qaida will attack America and its interests at the earliest opportunity, but Bin Laden has issued this tape to attempt to win over U.S. support by suggesting that changing a country's policies, not its leadership, is what is required to end this current war. The Bin Laden message of course has been spun by the establishment making it increasingly difficult for the ordinary American citizens to appreciate the message, and has met with derision and anger in the U.S. This can mean that the tape will help Bush in the elections although this is clearly not Bin Ladin’s concern.
7. His statement: "I say to you that security it an important pillar of human life, and that free persons do not neglect their own security, contrary to the allegations of Bush that we despise liberty. He should let us know why we did not strike at Sweden, for instance [if that were true]" is an indication that in his capacity as the Ameer of Jihaad (in a time of crisis) he has divided the camp of the Kuffar (non Muslims) into two further subdivisions; those states that are belligerent towards Islam and Muslims e.g. the U.S., the UK, and Australia et al and those states not belligerent towards Islam and Muslims e.g. Spain (after 3-11), Sweden et al. Non belligerent states will not be singled out for attack by the Mujaahideen (Islamic fighters). He indicates that it is possible for once belligerent states (who supported America and its illegitimate war on Islam) to move into non-belligerency, Spain being the prime example of an Islamic "regime change" scenario forcing it into non-belligerency that awarded it exemption.
8. His statement: "God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet" and "As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women" is a description of the anger real Muslims everywhere feel when they see naked injustice and tyranny perpetrated on their Muslim brethren.
Every Muslim knows that Beirut was one of the most advanced cities in the Arab world back in the early 80's. The invasion of Lebanon in 1982 by Ariel Sharon was done in order to install a puppet government in Beirut as well as begin to reshape the Middle East according to the Zionist viewpoint. At the same time, Sharon wanted to murder the nationalist Palestinian leadership in Beirut. The horrible Israeli siege of Beirut in summer of 1982, which lasted for weeks, involved the brutal and indiscriminate bombing of the city, including the use of lethal chemical weapons. Many of the "towers" that were destroyed contained hundreds of innocent Muslims. The invasion killed some 18,000 persons, half of them innocent civilians.
During this period Sharon turned the task of guarding the disarmed and helpless Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps (full of Muslims) over to his allies, the Christian Maronite Phalangist paramilitary. The latter promptly murdered hundreds of defenseless Palestinians inside these camps carving crosses on the dead Muslims bodies. No real Muslim can ever truly forget this dreadful period in history, it is forever etched on the Muslim Ummah's (nation) psyche, in a way Bosnia will forever be etched on the psyche of all the Muslims. At the same time, one wonders if this passage of the speech is a coded signal to Al-Qaida operatives in Lebanon that the time is now right (with the removal of the traitor and apostate Arafat from the picture) to go into operation against the Zionist cancer and assume the leadership of all the splintered Palestinian nationalists groups like Hamas and the PLO?
9. His statement: “We did not have any difficulties in dealing with Bush and his administration, due to the similarities between his administration and the regimes in our countries, half of which is ruled by the military, while the other half is ruled by the sons of the monarchs and the presidents; our experiences with them goes back a long way. Both regimes include many individuals who are characterised by haughtiness, tyranny, avidity and wrongful pillaging of resources. This similarity started since the visits made by Bush Senior to the region." is an indication that Bin Ladin sees no difference between the dictatorship of the American regime and the dictatorships in the Muslim lands, except that the Arab regimes are the greater Kufr (disbelief) as they were once Muslims. Bin Ladin maybe indicating that because of the similarities between these regimes the Islamic ruling (hukm) on both is therefore the same i.e. to assassinate the leaders and regime elements. The possibility exists that this might be a coded signal to Al-Qaida sleeper cells in the West to make ready these types of plans.
10. His statement: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qaida. Your security is indeed in your own hands. And each state that does not mess around with our security, it would automatically secure its own safety…” is not limited to citizens within the nation-states of the world but includes the citizens within each of the fifty-states that make up the United States of America itself. The truth of the matter is that Bin Ladin's speech was aimed at further fragmenting the United States politically when he made his statement of security. His speech was designed to cause uncertainty and much confusion among the member states that make up the union on who they should elect for President. Not since the Civil War of Independence has such a fragmentation of American society occurred.
Heavy military defeats in Iraq (Fallujah) and in Afghanistan, the lack of homeland security, as well as the huge number of American dead, have caused deep fissures to appear in American society over the whole war on terror policy. The Bin Laden speech has hit a raw nerve in the American mindset and may have pushed the ruling classes among the various member-states to seek a fundamental solution to their problems. For many, that fundamental solution is to attack the federal (central) government for bringing all these problems, and to distance themselves from it by acting independently. The intended affect seems to be the separating of American states from each other politically making them increasingly independent, somewhat like Europe. The Republicans and the Democrats have realized that the Bin Laden speech was aimed at "dividing and conquering”, a strategic method America has ironically employed against the Muslims in the past.
Having analyzed the whole speech there is no doubt that Bin Ladin's words were carefully crafted to drop a remote-controlled bomb on the U.S. election 96 hours from the finish line. The message ridiculed Bush heavily and was intended to sway the outcome of the election race in no uncertain terms towards a Kerry victory, yet his focus of his speech was towards the U.S. foreign policy.
At the same time, there are clear indications in the tape of coming attacks on the U.S. and its interests worldwide if Bush prevails. Bin Laden has setup the justification for further attacks on the U.S. by linking a vote for Bush as a vote for the continuation of the War on Terror (Islam). Yet, if Kerry is elected, there is indication that a truce of some kind will be offered, conditioned on the fact that the U.S. pulls out of all the Muslim lands and amends its Crusader foreign policy. If this truce is brushed off, it is clear that Al-Qaida will go into action once again.
18th Ramadan 1425 AH
01 November 2004 CE
(taken from www.jihadunspun.com
Deathpasser
06-11-2004, 22:52
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu ya Muslimeen
Greetings everyone else
Gawaher, a forum I used to go to is filled with self-professed moderate "Muslims", i.e. Secularists. But even when I was there we had a joke going around:
I do not know who to vote for in the elections (US), should I vote for Shaytan or Eblis.
I do not know who to vote for in the elections (US), should I vote for Shaytan or Eblis.
lol..... :) :) a good one brother!
it does really sound a very tough choice..... at least people are given the freedom to chose from the 'two'......lol
see how lucky the people living in the democracy are ! not like us muslims who chose only one Allah to rule upon us..... ;)
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