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Om_Mohammed
03-08-2005, 06:05
Tancredo: No apology
He believes bombing of Muslim holy sites has been discussed

By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
July 19, 2005

WASHINGTON - The remarks were hypothetical but the outrage was real.

Facing mounting criticism, Rep. Tom Tancredo on Monday refused to apologize for suggesting the United States could target Muslim holy sites if radical Islamic terrorists set off multiple nuclear attacks in American cities.

"It's a tough issue to deal with," Tancredo told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference. "Tough things are said. And we should not shy away from saying things that need to be said."

Tancredo is known for his fiery rhetoric on immigration and other issues, but his words are coming under more scrutiny because he has started traveling to test the waters for a possible presidential candidacy in 2008.

A spokeswoman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Tancredo's remarks irresponsible.

"They do nothing to advance our national security and protect Americans from terrorists," Pelosi spokeswoman Jennifer Crider said.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, which calls itself the largest Islamic civil rights group in the United States, demanded an apology Monday, after the Rocky Mountain News published an account of his Friday interview with WFLA radio in Florida.

In the interview, talk show host Pat Campbell asked Tancredo what the United States should do if terrorists were to strike several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.

"Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

"You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

"Yeah," Tancredo responded.

He went on to say that he was "just throwing out some ideas" but that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."

Tancredo later said he was not advocating such a response, but merely discussing what could happen in a hypothetical situation.

"I was talking about what we could maybe do as a preventative," Tancredo said. "I simply throw that out there as a thing to think about, although it is horrendous to think about. So is having one or more cities destroyed in the United States."

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper called Tancredo's remarks irresponsible, inflammatory and "unworthy of an elected official."

"These kinds of . . . comments just serve to fuel negative perceptions of the United States in the Muslim world that create a downward spiral of hostility," Hooper said.

"He needs to go far beyond a clarification and apologize, not only to the people of Colorado, but to the American-Muslim community."

Tancredo rejected the idea of apologizing at his news conference, where the controversy overshadowed the topic he wanted to address, his introduction of comprehensive immigration reform legislation. His bill would create a limited guest worker plan for immigrants but only after beefing up border security.

Last week in Iowa, home of the nation's first presidential caucuses, he pressed his immigration reform agenda to members of the Christian Coalition. At each stop, he also spoke briefly about what he sees as a clash of civilizations and war against "radical Islam."

Hooper said it was a "quantum leap" for Tancredo to go a step further and suggest destroying Muslim holy sites that are at the center of a faith for one-fifth of the world's people.

"Unfortunately, there's a veritable cottage industry of anti-Muslim rhetoric now in our society, and it seems to be growing," Hooper said. "I don't know where it's taking us, because if people really do believe we're in conflict with the faith of Islam, what does that mean? What are the implications of that? Unending civilizational and religious war? It's too much to contemplate."

In an interview, Tancredo said he did not intend to offend moderate Muslims, whom he calls the "best hope" of bringing terrorists to justice.

"When we bombed Hiroshima, when we bombed Dresden, we punished a lot of people who were not necessarily (guilty)," Tancredo said. "Not every German was a member of the Nazi Party. You do things in war that are ugly."

He stressed that he was not advocating an attack on Islamic holy sites, but that counterattacks had to be considered - and perhaps telegraphed ahead of time. That way, he said, both sides would know the stakes under a worst-case scenario, much as they did under the Cold War theory of "mutually assured destruction."

Tancredo believes government officials already have considered such a scenario.

"Do they think, honestly, if I never said that, it wouldn't be contemplated?" Tancredo said. "Of course, things are contemplated, and I certainly wouldn't be the only one. Not saying it does not mean it doesn't exist in the minds of people."

Late Monday, CAIR officials said they were trying to arrange a meeting between Tancredo and Colorado Muslim leaders. Tancredo spokesman Will Adams said he had not received the invitation but that the congressman would be willing to meet with moderate Muslims.

Proposed immigration legislation

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., on Monday proposed comprehensive immigration reform legislation that's intended as an alternative to other proposed guest worker proposals pending in Congress. Tancredo admits that it's "highly improbable" that his version will be approved in its entirety, but he hopes key provisions are included in legislation the U.S. House could consider this fall. The following are some elements of Tancredo's bill:

• Increases number of Border Patrol agents.

• Toughens enforcement against businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

• Makes it a felony to be in the country illegally, punishable by fines, imprisonment and forfeiture of assets.

• Creates a temporary guest worker plan, but only after the president certifies that border security goals have been met. If so, foreign workers would be certified in advance and could be in the country 365 days every two years. They could not bring families.

• Children born to guest workers would not be U.S. citizens unless one parent is American.

Copyright 2005, Rocky Mountain News. All Rights Reserved.

macmuslim
03-08-2005, 19:42
Assalamu alaikum

to be honest, I would be shocked if they had not made some sort of plan in place already. However this shows the thinking - they think that removing the physical removes the spiritual. We know from hadith that the Ka'aba will be destroyed, but Allah swt will remain forever.

lubna
04-08-2005, 21:52
Assalamoalykum brother

Alhumdulillah! i liked your reply, as this is how i felt after reading this post only am not as good with expressing my feelings in words sometimes.... for being a woman....:)

why should we muslim worry about the fate of kaabah when Allah himslef took care of it in the past and will certainly do it in the future. we all read surah Al Feel in the Quraan.

may Allah give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands Ameen.

wassalam
lubna

Om_Mohammed
06-08-2005, 17:12
Assalaamu alaikum.

Basically, I think that it behooves us muslims, and in particular those who live in the vaccinity of the Haram...to know what the enemy kuffar are up to and intend towards doing.

It is a basic war tactic that one be prepared from any attempt of the enemy.

And I think that anyone even slightly familiar with the Quran will realize that no matter what man may do (whether they be muslim or otherwise), it is ultimately Allah's permission as to whether something is destroyed or not.

The recitation of Surat-al-Fil (the elephant) is fine testimony to that indeed.

Ameen @ 'may Allah give victory to the muslims and make Islam prevail in all lands'.

Om Mohammed.

Netcurtains3
10-08-2005, 13:38
People of different religions have obviously attempted to destroy each others main icons from time to time.

Pope John Paul II - A pope is the main iconic figure of the Catholic Church.
He was shot by a muslim man. He did recover but he was never quite the same.

or Munir Said Thalib, murdered.
"
But his refusal to bow to pressure had earned him iconic status among other dissidents who suffered for their decision to challenge the authorities.
"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4005631.stm

johara
10-08-2005, 17:56
The man that shot John Paul was a Turk,from Turkey.And the Pope visited him in prision and forgave him.Wow a true testament to the Catholic faith.It was never revealed what was said to him,that will remain a msytery.........