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Assalamoalykum all
i am sad for these brothers and sisters in humanity, may Allah ease their sufferings Ameen, as we muslims only know too well how it feels under these conditions.
may Allah save us all from his Qahar (wrath) Ameen. these are the times to do taubah ( repentance) from our ill deeds and sins. as no one can save us apart from Allah.
may Allah keep us stead fast under all hard testing times Ameen.
wassalam
lubna
Massive explosions rock New Orleans
By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press
Friday, September 2, 2005 Updated at 6:20 AM EDT
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050902.wkatrina0902/BNStory/International/
New Orleans — Ragtag armies of the desperate and hungry begged for help, corpses rotted along flooded sidewalks and bands of armed thugs thwarted fitful rescue efforts as Americans watched the Big Easy dissolve before their eyes.
About 4:35 a.m. Friday, a series of massive explosions along the riverfront a few kilometres south of the French Quarter jolted residents awake. The cause of the blasts or the extent of any possible damage was not immediately known.
An initial explosion sent flames of red and orange shooting into the pre-dawn sky. A series of smaller blasts followed and then acrid, black smoke that could be seen even in the dark. The vibrations were felt all the way downtown.
The explosions appeared to originate close to the east bank of the Mississippi River, near a residential area and rail tracks. At least two police boats were at the scene.
Despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, a $10.5-billion (U.S.) recovery bill in Congress and a relief effort President George W. Bush called the biggest in U.S. history, the chaos spread.
"This is a national disgrace," said New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert. "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the City of New Orleans."
At the hot and stinking Superdome, where tens of thousands were being evacuated by bus to Houston, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.
After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on to the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.
Nearby, about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans Convention Center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.
Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Chief Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
Governor Kathleen Blanco called people who committed such crimes "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guard troops hardened on the battlefield in Iraq have landed in New Orleans.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
Mr. Bush was to tour the devastated Gulf Coast region Friday and has asked his father, former president George H.W. Bush, and former president Bill Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign.
By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was arrested.
By late Thursday, the flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted with a population of 11,325, less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected.
Texas Governor Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who
fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels
While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention centre, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention centre several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from three metres off the ground and flew away.
"There's a lot of very sick people -- elderly ones, infirm ones -- who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on," said Daniel Edwards outside the centre. "We need to eat, or drink water at the very least."
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people."
FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention centre Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention centre, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the evacuees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find.
A day after Mr. Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings.
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell -- it's every man for himself."'
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."
Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lieutenant Commander Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police
and at helicopters, telling them, 'You better come get my family."'
To make matters worse, the chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers -- many of whom are from flooded areas -- turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Colonel Henry Whitehorn said.
Mississippi's confirmed death toll from Katrina rose to 126 on Thursday as more rescue teams spread out into a sea of rubble to search for the living, their efforts complicated at one point by the threat of a thunderstorm.
All along the 145-kilometre coast, other emergency workers performed the grisly task of retrieving corpses, some of them lying on streets and amid the ruins of obliterated homes that stretch back blocks from the beach.
Adding to the misery were tons of rotting shrimp and chicken, blown from their containers at a shipping dock and dumped into the water and onto the tattered landscape.
Governor Haley Barbour said he knows people are tired, hungry, dirty and scared -- particularly in areas hardest hit by Katrina. He said the state faces a long and expensive recovery process.
"I will say, sometimes I'm scared, too," Ms. Barbour said during a briefing in Jackson, Miss. "But we are going to hitch up our britches. We're going to get this done."
Dear Lubna,thank you for your nice words,and i to pray to for my American brothers and sisters.I have yet to see such a disaster,and such a slow responce in the USA.Thease poor people trapped in their homes, no food water and no way out.Those that were brave ,walked through this water that is filled with filth,and human remains,until they reach a dry road,hours of walking in very hot conditions.Babies were born on roadsides,there were dead bodies along the roads,what a horrible time.Now today finally, army went in in numbers.The people of the south are very strong and they will survive,with the help of God Allmighty..........
tbahrain
03-09-2005, 05:15
Assalamualaikum sis lubna,
Allah's own version of Shock and Awe?
A lot of similarities with what have been done to Iraq and Afganistan. Total anhilation of an entire city; Gulf of Persia/Mexico; thousands dead; rescuers under attack; dead bodies everywhere and ignored; oil facilities distroyed; chemicals released.
Waiting for Fox News or Cheney to link this to Al-Queda and OBL.
Assalamualaikum sis lubna,
Allah's own version of Shock and Awe?
A lot of similarities with what have been done to Iraq and Afganistan. Total anhilation of an entire city; Gulf of Persia/Mexico; thousands dead; rescuers under attack; dead bodies everywhere and ignored; oil facilities distroyed; chemicals released.
Waiting for Fox News or Cheney to link this to Al-Queda and OBL.
As-Salam Alaikum:
You can’t say that “its Allah's own version of Shock and Awe.” Lets not be confused between the cruel act of Bush gangs and the Just work of Allah.
There are many such incidents happen in the world and the tsunami which hit few countries few months back was much devastating than this one.
Regardless with the crimes committed by Americans against the world, I will be blessed if I can help those people in such time.
There must be among them people who deserve to be helped.
Voice
Assalamoalykum all
i would like to share something from my inbox.......thoughts and feelings of another brother.
wassalam
lubna
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Dear Readers:
I would like for us to recall the following:
1. How American media portrayed the looters in Iraq
http://www.google.com.sa/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%2Biraq+%2Blooters+-zoo&btnG=Search
2. The behavior of the tsunami victims in South and South East Asia
3. The behavior of the flood victims in Southern United States
4. How many flood victims in the Asian Tsunami were RAPED? (ZERO)
5. How many flood victims were RAPED in the Southern United States?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_Hurricane_Katrina_on_New_Orleans
On the morning of August 30, three deaths were reported among those seeking shelter in the Superdome [26], including one unconfirmed suicide caused by a plunge from an upper level of the stadium [27]. There are as yet uncorfirmed reports of rape and even murder incidents in the Superdome.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/4916024/detail.html
5. What was the demographic of those people who were attempting to steal Asian orphans in the Asian Tsunami? (White Europeans)
6. Please recall what this "gentleman" from Stanford University wrote:
George Sassoon comments on the statement: "Many Iraqis are bitter at the US for failing to prevent the anarchy and looting that followed the bombing of Baghdad. Armed gangs still roam free in the Iraqi capital, museums and libraries have been plundered, and essential services remain patchy". George says: "Surely, in proper wars looters etc. used to be shot on sight. What would the Iraqis have said if this tactic had been adopted?" RH: One can guess from the reaction to the US killing of people trying to enter a school.
Ronald Hilton - 4/30/03
7. As we can see it took a lot less for those people down in New Orleans to descend to the level of animals than even Iraq.
It says less about those individuals than it does about the state of America itself. I only hope the American patriots, neo-conservatives, and other forms of troglodytes and bottom feeders can have the guts to tell their dearly beloved President to shift some resources away from Iraq and Afghanistan, stop spending so much money on killing and spend a few SHEKELS on saving lives.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001053068
SOS from 'Times-Picayune' Forum Reveals True Horror of Disaster Today
NEW YORK While the world, and the media, focus on major developments involving thousands of victims in New Orleans, individual horror stories -- and cries for help -- just get lost. The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, from the onset of the catastrophe, has managed to provide blogs, forums, and bulletin boards for readers to seek help or information. But this morning, the pleadings at one forum turned absolutely chilling. Here are a few samples from past few hours on Thursday (updated here from the top).
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My coworker's brother is one of seven doctors who have been left behind at Charity Hospital. His name is Vinroot, I'm sorry, I don't know the first name. He is in a panic--the doctors have barricaded themselves on the seventh floor because armed gunmen are outside threatening them and demanding access to the roof so they can be rescued first. He is desperate. Someone needs to help these people NOW!
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There are still approximately over 300 Vietnamese people stranded in sewage water up to the necks in many areas gathered at the Mary Queen of VN Church. We've contacted USCG, Red Cross, news media but no help has come out to their way yet. As you all know, Versailles is so far on the eastern edge of New Orleans that by the time any helicopters come that way, they're
already filled with people and have to turn back towards the Superdome to drop people off.
The water is still rising in that area. Many of the people are growing weak and sick from lack of food and water plus the heat. Some of them feel like they probably won't make it for the next day. Please people!!! do what you can to get these people to safe land.
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There are 7 people trapped in the Gallary Row apartments at 448 Julia Street (corner of Julia and Magazine). They were attacked by armed gang who hijacked their truck and drove it through a locked gate in the parking garage. They are unable to leave the building due to the heavy presence of large, well-organized armed looters. They expect the building to be attacked at any moment.
The trapped people are lightly armed (one shotgun and one pistol) but there are numerous entry points into the apartments. Currently the trapped people are holed up on the roof. Please send help ASAP.
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PLEASE HELP.
I just got word, I have friends trapped in a wharehouse located at 2716 Royal Street. There is reported gunfire outside.
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I just talked to my neighbor who stayed behind at Camp and St. Mary. He walked along Jackson St and saw dead bodies everywhere from gun shots. After coming upon two dead girls, probably around 12-15 yr old, he had to get out. Where is the national guard? We need help.
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Apparently armed thugs have surrounded the Tulane Univ Med Ctr (or hospital). One of the physicians trapped on the roof called his dad (a client of this NJ based law firm) to sound the alarm.
They are on the roof and need a chopper.
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Does anyone know if Fats Domino is OK? I have been told his house is under water and he is missing.
Perhaps you could initiate a formal check by the boats in the 9th Ward?
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DESPERATE SECURITY SITUATION IN RIVERBEND.
Spoke to my uncle this morning (Thurs) in Riverbend near Carrolton and St Charles. He and several (elderly) residents are holed up there and the security situation is getting desperate. Heat is extreme and there are roving gangs of looters with guns. The looters have also commandeered a backhoe and are ramming homes. My uncle and the others have no info about the evacuation. While Leake Avenue and River Road are dry, they are afraid to leave as they fear they will be shot, carjacked etc. This is a desperate plea for help as this is so far from downtown. We are trying to call everyone we can but of course the phone doesn't work. If someone official sees this, please send help.
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Please notify the Coast Guard to search the buildings located on the campus of the University of New Orleans. Mr. Patrick Jolly is trapped in a building with other people and is surrounded by water. We lost contact with Mr. Jolly exactly two days ago. He is diabetic and has a group of people with him. His last conversation with his daughter was that he is surrounded by water due to the levee break and that a young girl was having an asthma attack. If possible, please notify the authorities to search each building on the campus for Mr. Jolly.
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My mother is Cpl. Delores Paige she works with the New Orleans Sheriff Department. I spoke with her about an hour ago, according to her other deputies, along with the inmates, they were transported and trapped onto the Broad Bridge near the Times Picayune Building, it is also between Tulane and Washington Streets. They have been there for the last four days without any thing to eat or drink. Some officials came to get the inmates, but left the Deputies there standed I am very concerned for my mother because she is a diabetic and she says she has lost every thing. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Help my mother and the others. She also states that there are people dying all around them. Please send help.
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I am searching for my grandson his name is Brandon Childs. He is aproxamatly 4 ft. tall. He is 6 years old with blond hair and brown eyes. If anyone knows of his whereabouts please E-Mail billychilds@charter.com.
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I got a call from my sis-in-law, Vicki, just now. There are 3-4 adults with her, one with severe asthma and no medications. They tried to get out by boat yesterday, but then got shot at by looters. Vicki is calling around to see if anyone has any resources to help, and she was hoping someone might have a contact or an idea. If you would kindly forward this to anyone you know that is in or was in the National Guard, military, etc.. They are on the deck of a house waving a red flag between South Claiborne and Willow.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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My sister rode out storm in Biloxi. Her 18 yr old head trauma patient/daughter (Alyssa Taylor hit by drunk driver last year) is stuck with her with meds and tube foods running out quickly...Neighbors pooled their gas from mowers to get them out to no avail. They are urgently in need as are many others who cannot communicate out and are NOT receiving aid! My nephew left Georgia with Army with Chinook copters to rescue others in NOLA but he cannot divert to rescue his aunt and cousin...The after-dramas are worse than the storm and help is not reaching in and no one can leave without fuel.
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Throughout the days of listing to news stories reading articles on the web I have yet to here anyone mention anything about the students at Xavier University. There are at least 400 students trapped in the dormitory with no food or water. From my understanding the police officials did not check to see if there were people still on campus. This article is to inform anyone reading this that these people need help urgently. The girls are on the 5th floor and the boys on the 6th. There pliot is dire and should be attended to as soon as possible.
Netcurtains3
03-09-2005, 12:37
Does all this prove that science is the right way and religion is the wrong way?
For a long time science has been warning of climate changes and for more money to be spent on coastal defences in New Orleans and other places around the world (Indonesia). On the other hand RIGHT WING religionists around the world (probably on this board too) have not been vocal at all about climate - all they are interested in (on all sides) is a country no bigger then Wales in the middle of no where, going no where. Most of religion is junk. We secularists (both atheist and religious secularists) are sick to the back teeth with the lot of you.
John
tbahrain
03-09-2005, 13:31
It's already happening!!
Report of a Mutiny amonst Occupation Soldiers
By: uruk.info on: 03.09.2005 [11:08 ]
Three days ago, one American soldier went into hysterics upon hearing of the death of the three members of his family in New Orleans.
Corporal Nick Lancer shouted:"This is the curse of Iraq. My family paid for my crimes in Iraq. Send us back to help our families. God damn you Bush and Rumsfeld".
Matters escalated when an officer tried, by force, to calm Lancer down. Lancer was then joined by other soldiers who started to beat the officer. The fighting escalated when other officers tried to intervene in the melee and the soldiers began attacking and hitting them with their riffle butts. This included the beating of Iraqi senior army officers who attempted to help the American officers.
The soldiers were shouting: "You scoundrels. We will throw you out to the Resistance to kill you. It is because of you that we are getting killed here".
At one point, one of the soldiers radioed other fellow soldiers, who were out on patrols, to stop their mission and to return quickly to join them."
tbahrain: will you please answer this question: If what happened in USA was Allah's punishment to them because of what they did to Iraq then what the people of Indonesia did so that around 200000 Muslims die? Should I consider it as a punishment from Allah because they were not true believers or what?
If someone builds his house near a volcano then he should expect it to harm him one day so does that mean that Allah punished him or what?
Regardless with the crimes committed by Americans against the world, I will be blessed if I can help those people in such time.
Voice
brother voice, you are not the only one who thinks that way, ALL muslims think that way, to save the humanity is part of our eemaan!
Corporal Nick Lancer shouted:"This is the curse of Iraq. My family paid for my crimes in Iraq. Send us back to help our families. God damn you Bush and Rumsfeld".
Matters escalated when an officer tried, by force, to calm Lancer down. Lancer was then joined by other soldiers who started to beat the officer. The fighting escalated when other officers tried to intervene in the melee and the soldiers began attacking and hitting them with their riffle butts. This included the beating of Iraqi senior army officers who attempted to help the American officers.
The soldiers were shouting: "You scoundrels. We will throw you out to the Resistance to kill you. It is because of you that we are getting killed here".
At one point, one of the soldiers radioed other fellow soldiers, who were out on patrols, to stop their mission and to return quickly to join them."
Bro Voice,
its not brother tbahrain's 'fault' that american soldiers are having remorse and gulity conscience. i am relieved to know that their conscience is still alive!
i would say this hurricane is a big eye opener for muslims and non muslims alike, and so was tsunami and so was iraq afghan wars.
Allah works in mysterious ways, but as muslims we are always suppose to learn from every event. american public is seeing the true face of its government and its ruthless priorities.
rest assured brother voice no muslim here is cheering up on the loss of american lives.
it is only Allah's way to bring muslims and non muslims closer by the bond of common pain of death and destruction. as most of the time pain and affliction turns us towards Allah.
natural disasters are warning signs of Allah for us 'survivers' and 'on lookers' to take heed!
may Allah help us to do the right thing always Ameen.
wassalam
lubna
On the other hand RIGHT WING religionists around the world (probably on this board too) have not been vocal at all about climate - all they are interested in (on all sides) is a country no bigger then Wales in the middle of no where, going no where. Most of religion is junk. We secularists (both atheist and religious secularists) are sick to the back teeth with the lot of you.
John
why are you so uptight ,relax and recite this poem for us that you posted . we need your heart full of love and not your sick stomach......
.This song was written by Presley (Reg Presley):
Love Is All Around:
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Love is all around
I feel it in my fingers
I feel it in my toes
The love that's all around me
And so the feeling grows
It's written on the wind
It's everywhere I go
So if you really love me
Come on and let it show
You know I love you, I always will
".
John
and by the way its not just the country size of wales that we are after its the love of those people in that country that is making us muslims restless for them.
if only US authority was religious i.e God fearing enough to do something about the coastal defence intime to save the humanity.
you secularists are not satisfied with your religion i.e 'secularism' and hence are found in this religious islamic web community to find solace (as xioncrow recently admitted,''I have to say I can get away with this style of writing with you guys & gals because you are Muslim which from my experience of Western ‘God’ interpretation means you are more open to discourse, unlike Conservative Christianity…. )
mark my words! islam is a light house for the humanity groping in the dark!
Netcurtains3
03-09-2005, 22:20
Lubna,
you said:
"you secularists are not satisfied with your religion i.e 'secularism' and hence are found in this religious islamic web community to find solace (as xioncrow recently admitted,''I have to say I can get away with this style of writing with you guys & gals because you are Muslim which from my experience of Western ‘God’ interpretation means you are more open to discourse, unlike Conservative Christianity…. )"
Actually I write on the secular message board:
http://www.advfn.com/
The Free BB for finance people, as Netcurtains on the "God" thread. The athiests on the advfn board (some from a muslim and Catholic background) tend to say they are slightly more peace loving and tollerant then myself.
It is part of the secularist approach of the market place of competing ideas that has led me here, whereas it seems you prefer to ghetto yourself from the market place. I'll warrent of the 5 million odd people of some muslim background living in the UK most are becoming secularist. If you look at all the leaders you dislike in the muslim world a good percentage of them had secular western education before they went back to their own country. The implication is secularism is sweaping all before it on a spectacular scale and each suicide bomber creates at least 100 new secularists a day.... especially in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palastine and Pakistan.
I am not sure that I am 100% correct in my secular belief (as are the new Muslim secularists), I am not even 80% sure, but I am TENDING towards secular Catholicism just as they are tending towards secular Islam.
John
Netcurtains3
03-09-2005, 22:53
You have to join, so I though to save you the hassle I'd put the last message for you here..... weirdly its in a foreign language (is it Portugese or Spanish or something? is that a sign.... can any of you translate it - and yes that is the 27,128th message on that THREAD ):
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daniel - 3 Sep'05 - 21:46 - 27128 of 27129
Pero si nuestro evangelio está aún encubierto, entre los que se pierden está encubierto;
en los cuales el dios de este siglo cegó el entendimiento de los incrédulos, para que no les resplandezca la luz del evangelio de la gloria de Cristo, el cual es la imagen de Dios.
Porque no nos predicamos a nosotros mismos, sino a Jesucristo como Señor, y a nosotros como vuestros siervos por amor de Jesús.
Porque Dios, que mandó que de las tinieblas resplandeciese la luz,(A) es el que resplandeció en nuestros corazones, para iluminación del conocimiento de la gloria de Dios en la faz de Jesucristo.
Pero tenemos este tesoro en vasos de barro, para que la excelencia del poder sea de Dios, y no de nosotros,
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This was a terrible storm that rocked the Gulf states.But let us remember that this happens all over the world.I just saw on the news that Muslims are setting up a relief fund for the victoms of the hurricaine.I say to them thank you.This is wonderful and Allah,God will bless them.Unite brothers and sisters,we are all children of Abraham..........Blessed are those who mourn,for they shall be comforted.........
I am not sure that I am 100% correct in my secular belief (as are the new Muslim secularists), I am not even 80% sure, but I am TENDING towards secular Catholicism just as they are tending towards secular Islam.
John
as for as true muslims are concerned this 'secular islam ' is an oxymoron.
islam is a complete way of LIFE, the minute you abandone islam you stop living.
so this secular islam must be practised by the muslims to whom you can sell halal pork too....:)
as for joining the secular message board, thanks but no thanks i have already enough in my plate. plus you are here as a representative, and boy do you haggle on your ideas in this market place.......:) have seen you with bro tayeb and bro macmuslim, sometimes you even forget what you were selling in the 1st place....;).
doesnt look like any body is interested in your marchandise so far alhumdulillah.:)
i would say scecularism,democracy,materialism and all the other isams are at a tie with islam and i am sure you know how fast islam is gathering the favour of people.
the leaders of the muslim world are all expendable, they dont reperesent us muslims but are puppets of the US/UK... and they are only a fraction of the muslim population.
peace
lubna
tbahrain
04-09-2005, 11:19
Bro Voice,
Noticed the ? at the end of my statement?
As for what happened to the people of Aceh, again only Allah knows the reason. Living next door and having relatives in Aceh, I could make an assumption as to why, but then I would be questioning His better judgement.
Netcurtains3
04-09-2005, 11:23
Secularism....
You know we are winning....
Look who is representing England in Miss World (and the runner up also was a secular muslim):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4212412.stm
SECULARISM is the non-state control of Religion. It is the DISESTABLISHMENT of Churches and Mosques and instead INDIVIDUAL choice. There is no need for Bombs or fighting in secularism because no one is trying to CONTROL anyone else but everyone is FREE to spread their own ideas or other peoples ideas without FEAR or WORRY.
Todays last message from the secular board:
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delta1 - 4 Sep'05 - 01:32 - 27131 of 27131
Quote of the day:
"They can go into Iraq and do this and do that," Martha Madden, former secretary of the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality, said Thursday, "but they can't drop some food on Canal Street in New Orleans, Louisiana, right now? It's just mind-boggling."
So an 'out of touch' George W Bush, so 'decisive' when it came to launching and waging an illegal war on Iraq based on lies peddled by his Neo Con masters, freeze's like a rabbit in the headlamps and finds himself unable to respond anything but adequately to the plight of tens of thousands of his own most poor and vulnerable of his own citizens engulfed by this natural calamity, until finally provoked to do so. Why am I not surprised?
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John
tbahrain
04-09-2005, 11:38
Hmmm, 'secular Islam'. Is there such a thing? Isn't Islam about how you live and interact with Allah and His creations? Could we separate how we conduct ourselves and how the State should conduct itself? If others should govern themselves by the separation of Church and State, should we Muslims follow suit because they say this is the way to govern? Are we not to follow the examples of the Prophet (saw) when through our shahadah we daily proclaim Mohammad (saw) is the Messenger of Allah? Dies that mean we should not now believe in Allah, His Messenger, perform our solats, fast and things that are mandatory upon us Muslims which are FUNDAMENTAL, so that we may not be branded a Fundamentalist?
Netcurtains3
04-09-2005, 14:42
tbahrain,
There are two types of secular state. There is the one in france which is anti-religion and in fact is not really secular but instead inforced non-religion.
The other type of secular state is developing in the UK and it is mainly being developed by Muslims and their hangers-on. Muslims in the UK have got rid of crosses on policemens helmets, they have changed school uniforms to suit themselves. This type of muslim secularism is based on what the INDIVIDUAL wants. If I as a policemen what to have a cross-less helmet I should be able to have one. If I as a school child what to wear a Jedi Knight outfit or a bikini outfit because I follow that religion then I should be able too. this is the philosphy that is coming from the new wave of muslim secularist living in the UK.
It is the MUSLIM Secularism that is now spreading around the world. The power of the state to impose moral or theological views on the working classes is crashing around our ears right round the world. State religion is dying on its feet.
within a few years every muslim country on the globe will probably lose the backing of the state and muslims will all be set free to be what they want - a movement that probably stated here in the UK. Secular Muslims.
John
Home of the Blues Drowns in Bureaucracy
By Genevieve Cora Fraser
Al-Jazeerah, September 4, 2005
He strutted onto the stage
The military might
To the rescue too late
To save so many
Who clung to life
In a toxic stew
Burning images
Of our own making
He waited for the right
Moment to release
His help so limp
In response to the horror
Waited waited waited
The security of the homeland
At stake too late
Roadblocks placed
In the path of would-be
Rescuers held-up
Attempts
To assist
Resisted
100s of thousands
Abandoned
Poor
Black
Elderly
Handicapped
Left to die
Drowning in filth
Dehydrated
Starved broiling
In the heat
He refused offers
Needing to contemplate
The need that was lapping
At the nations doorstep
Flooding the airwaves
Breaking the sound barrier
With their screams
60 nations united
To help taken under
Advisement to be decided
After the havoc of babies
Cries grow dim die
The elderly, fragile, sick
Expire
In places so remote
From basic humanity
A civilization collapsed
By immoral leadership
His ego so massive
It took a week
To arrive
For the photo-op
The monumental
Moment flanked by reporters
He unleashed the military might
Fresh from assault
Reeking of death in Iraq
In Afghanistan in Secret
Locations
Killing for oil
World control
Whoever
Is not with us
Is poor Black
Brown they
Do not compute
In the cost-benefit
Ratio White is the divide
The gold standard
Valued the Others
To be governed
By brute force
Here and abroad
He finally arrived
The vain-glorious commander
With his troops
M16s raised for control
As corpses cried
Out in ghastly
Formations
Rotting
In the High Noon
Of America
tbahrain
05-09-2005, 01:36
Notes From Inside New Orleans -Don't You Know Me? I'm Your Native Son..
by: JORDAN FLAHERTY
I just left New Orleans a couple hours ago. I traveled from the apartment I was staying in by boat to a helicopter to a refugee camp. If anyone wants to examine the attitude of federal and state officials towards the victims of hurricane Katrina, I advise you to visit one of the refugee camps.
In the refugee camp I just left, on the I-10 freeway near Causeway, thousands of people (at least 90% black and poor) stood and squatted in mud and trash behind metal barricades, under an unforgiving sun, with heavily armed soldiers standing guard over them. When a bus would come through, it would stop at a random spot, state police would open a gap in one of the barricades, and people would rush for the bus, with no information given about where the bus was going. Once inside (we were told) evacuees would be told where the bus was taking them - Baton Rouge, Houston, Arkansas, Dallas, or other locations. I was told that if you boarded a bus bound for Arkansas (for example), even people with family and a place to stay in Baton Rouge would not be allowed to get out of the bus as it passed through Baton Rouge. You had no choice but to go to the shelter in Arkansas. If you had people willing to come to New Orleans to pick you up, they could not come within 17 miles of the camp.
I traveled throughout the camp and spoke to Red Cross workers, Salvation Army workers, National Guard, and state police, and although they were friendly, no one could give me any details on when buses would arrive, how many, where they would go to, or any other information. I spoke to the several teams of journalists nearby, and asked if any of them had been able to get any information from any federal or state officials on any of these questions, and all of them, from Australian tv to local Fox affiliates complained of an unorganized, non-communicative, mess. One cameraman told me "as someone who's been here in this camp for two days, the only information I can give you is this: get out by nightfall. You don't want to be here at night."
There was also no visible attempt by any of those running the camp to set up any sort of transparent and consistent system, for instance a line to get on buses, a way to register contact information or find family members, special needs services for children and infirm, phone services, treatment for possible disease exposure, nor even a single trash can.
To understand the dimensions of this tragedy, its important to look at New Orleans itself.
For those who have not lived in New Orleans, you have missed a incredible, glorious, vital, city. A place with a culture and energy unlike anywhere else in the world. A 70% African-American city where resistance to white supremacy has supported a generous, subversive and unique culture of vivid beauty. From jazz, blues and hiphop, to secondlines, Mardi Gras Indians, Parades, Beads, Jazz Funerals, and red beans and rice on Monday nights, New Orleans is a place of art and music and dance and sexuality and liberation unlike anywhere else in the world.
It is a city of kindness and hospitality, where walking down the block can take two hours because you stop and talk to someone on every porch, and where a community pulls together when someone is in need. It is a city of extended families and social networks filling the gaps left by city, state and federal governments that have abdicated their responsibility for the public welfare. It is a city where someone you walk past on the street not only asks how you are, they wait for an answer.
It is also a city of exploitation and segregation and fear. The city of New Orleans has a population of just over 500,000 and was expecting 300 murders this year, most of them centered on just a few, overwhelmingly black, neighborhoods. Police have been quoted as saying that they don't need to search out the perpetrators, because usually a few days after a shooting, the attacker is shot in revenge.
There is an atmosphere of intense hostility and distrust between much of Black New Orleans and the N.O. Police Department. In recent months, officers have been accused of everything from drug running to corruption to theft. In separate incidents, two New Orleans police officers were recently charged with rape (while in uniform), and there have been several high profile police killings of unarmed youth, including the murder of Jenard Thomas, which has inspired ongoing weekly protests for several months.
The city has a 40% illiteracy rate, and over 50% of black ninth graders will not graduate in four years. Louisiana spends on average $4,724 per child's education and ranks 48th in the country for lowest teacher salaries. The equivalent of more than two classrooms of young people drop out of Louisiana schools every day and about 50,000 students are absent from school on any given day. Far too many young black men from New Orleans end up enslaved in Angola Prison, a former slave plantation where inmates still do manual farm labor, and over 90% of inmates eventually die in the prison. It is a city where industry has left, and most remaining jobs are are low-paying, transient, insecure jobs in the service economy.
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tbahrain
05-09-2005, 01:37
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Race has always been the undercurrent of Louisiana politics. This disaster is one that was constructed out of racism, neglect and incompetence. Hurricane Katrina was the inevitable spark igniting the gasoline of cruelty and corruption. From the neighborhoods left most at risk, to the treatment of the refugees to the the media portrayal of the victims, this disaster is shaped by race.
Louisiana politics is famously corrupt, but with the tragedies of this week our political leaders have defined a new level of incompetence. As hurricane Katrina approached, our Governor urged us to "Pray the hurricane down" to a level two. Trapped in a building two days after the hurricane, we tuned our battery-operated radio into local radio and tv stations, hoping for vital news, and were told that our governor had called for a day of prayer. As rumors and panic began to rule, they was no source of solid dependable information. Tuesday night, politicians and reporters said the water level would rise another 12 feet - instead it stabilized. Rumors spread like wildfire, and the politicians and media only made it worse.
While the rich escaped New Orleans, those with nowhere to go and no way to get there were left behind. Adding salt to the wound, the local and national media have spent the last week demonizing those left behind. As someone that loves New Orleans and the people in it, this is the part of this tragedy that hurts me the most, and it hurts me deeply.
No sane person should classify someone who takes food from indefinitely closed stores in a desperate, starving city as a "looter," but that's just what the media did over and over again. Sheriffs and politicians talked of having troops protect stores instead of perform rescue operations.
Images of New Orleans' hurricane-ravaged population were transformed into black, out-of-control, criminals. As if taking a stereo from a store that will clearly be insured against loss is a greater crime than the governmental neglect and incompetence that did billions of dollars of damage and destroyed a city. This media focus is a tactic, just as the eighties focus on "welfare queens" and "super-predators" obscured the simultaneous and much larger crimes of the Savings and Loan scams and mass layoffs, the hyper-exploited people of New Orleans are being used as a scapegoat to cover up much larger crimes.
City, state and national politicians are the real criminals here. Since at least the mid-1800s, its been widely known the danger faced by flooding to New Orleans. The flood of 1927, which, like this week's events, was more about politics and racism than any kind of natural disaster, illustrated exactly the danger faced. Yet government officials have consistently refused to spend the money to protect this poor, overwhelmingly black, city. While FEMA and others warned of the urgent impending danger to New Orleans and put forward proposals for funding to reinforce and protect the city, the Bush administration, in every year since 2001, has cut or refused to fund New Orleans flood control, and ignored scientists warnings of increased hurricanes as a result of global warming. And, as the dangers rose with the floodlines, the lack of coordinated response dramatized vividly the callous disregard of our elected leaders.
The aftermath from the 1927 flood helped shape the elections of both a US President and a Governor, and ushered in the southern populist politics of Huey Long.
In the coming months, billions of dollars will likely flood into New Orleans. This money can either be spent to usher in a "New Deal" for the city, with public investment, creation of stable union jobs, new schools, cultural programs and housing restoration, or the city can be "rebuilt and revitalized" to a shell of its former self, with newer hotels, more casinos, and with chain stores and theme parks replacing the former neighborhoods, cultural centers and corner jazz clubs.
Long before Katrina, New Orleans was hit by a hurricane of poverty, racism, disinvestment, deindustrialization and corruption. Simply the damage from this pre-Katrina hurricane will take billions to repair.
Now that the money is flowing in, and the world's eyes are focused on Katrina, its vital that progressive-minded people take this opportunity to fight for a rebuilding with justice. New Orleans is a special place, and we need to fight for its rebirth.
Jordan Flaherty is a union organizer and an editor of Left Turn Magazine (www.leftturn.org). He is not planning on moving out of New Orleans. He can be reached at: anticapitalist@hotmail.com
Om_Mohammed
05-09-2005, 04:35
Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
Greetings and good day to all.
The hurricane is surely a grave tragedy happened.
And it is sad to see the state of the resulting compounding tragedy.
Regardless of the reason behind this tragedy, it is evident that it is simply an act of God. For as it was nature which spurned on the forces of the winds and rains, still it is ultimately God who rules and commands such forces of nature.
The reason is something that we may never know.
Any of us (muslim or otherwise) can suppose this or that reason...but that is ultimately part of God's own knowledge-the reason behind it.
I have noticed on other discussion boards on the net, that many Christian (locals of the area near this tragedy affected region) have even accused that this is the wrath of God upon this community of New Orleans. And in particular at this time. For within a week after the initial strike of this disaster, was scheduled a major yearly event in which homosexuals party in the streets of New Orleans, openly displaying their personal sexual preferences and practices!!
Who knows why?
The main point is that this disasterous tragedy was an act of God, not that of man.
Similar to that of the tsunami which so strongly affected Indonesia and other regions recently.
An act of God, not man.
Quite different from the ongoing tragedy and suffering in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine-acts of horrendous man.
SubhanAllah.
Om Mohammed.
http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
HURRICANE KATRINA DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE" 8/31/05
PHILADELPHIA - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city.
"Southern Decadence" has a history of filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the weeklong celebration as being an "exciting event". However, Hurricane Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.
On the official "Southern Decadence" website (www.SouthernDecadence.com), it states that the annual event brought in "125,000 revelers" to New Orleans last year, increasing by thousands each year, and up from "over 50,000 revelers" in 1997. This year’s 34th annual "Southern Decadence" was set for Wednesday, August 31, 2005 through Monday, September 5, 2005, but due to massive flooding and the damage left by the hurricane, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered everyone to evacuate the city.
The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to "Southern Decadence". Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of righteousness emerge," he continued.
New Orleans was also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men would revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts and to engage in other sex acts. This annual event sparked the creation of the "Girls Gone Wild" video series. Furthermore, Louisiana had a total of ten abortion clinics with half of them operating in New Orleans, where countless numbers of children were murdered at the hands of abortionists. Additionally, New Orleans has always been known as one of the "Murder Capitals of the World" with a rate ten times the national average.
"We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.
"[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45)
"....hold yourselves accountable before you are held accountable"
Umar ibn ul Khattab
Netcurtains3
05-09-2005, 09:23
If wind is "an act of god" then what about:
"This survey revealed that 1.5% of the population of Saudi Arabia are blind and another 7.8% are visually impaired according to the WHO definition of blindness".
What is the sin that 7.8% of Saudi has committed?
Or the UK.... We have about the highest numbers of people dying of heart attacks related to climate problems in the world. In the UK, you might go out in the hot weather wearing a T-Shirt and then it rains. You shivver, your arteries contract, and if you have a clogged artery, you get a heart attack.
Or Eskimo's - they lack vitimin C and other vitimins due to their environment.
Acts of God? Absolute nonsense. Religious people have a huge tendancy to be cranks and easily deluded - suckers for one nutter preacher or other who probably doesn't know diddly squat about anything.
tbahrain
05-09-2005, 11:25
Al-Qaida Congratulates The Muslim Nation On What Has Befallen America
Sep 05, 2005
By Ubaidah Al-Saif , Translation © Jihad Unspun 2005*
Al-Qaida Congratulates The Muslim Nation On What Has Befallen American
With a shattered New Orleans all but emptied out, an unprecedented refugee crisis unfolding across the United States, American governors and emergency officials are in a state of chaos. No one knows at this juncture how many people exactly were killed by Hurricane Katrina, but it is thought to be in the thousands, with some succumbing to death while waiting to be rescued due to a shortage of emergency services. But bodies are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating in the devastated city, crumpled in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.
Since the American catastrophe began unfolding, journalists of all types and persuasions have been framing the disaster in terms of blowback from condition of war that the US is now embroiled in. None however have openly rejoiced louder than Al-Qaida in the Land of the Two Rivers, who released a statement yesterday congratulating the Muslim Ummah on the hardship that has befallen America.
While much could be said about the contents of the statement, here it is, published uncut and uncensored, as translated by JUS.
We remind our viewers that the opinions and points of view expressed in these statements are those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are necessarily those of Jihad Unspun, the publisher, editor, writers, contributors or staff.
Al-Qaida Congratulates The Muslim Nation On What Has Befallen The Cross Worshippers
In The Name Of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, who caused every action to have a reaction, hence, He crushed the aggressors and destroyed them into scattered pieces. Peace and prayer be upon our prophet, who raised the Islamic banner with the sword and made the truth (about Islam) abundantly clear with Jihad. Peace be upon his family and companions who were the possessors of knowledge and wisdom.
“If there were a Qur'an with which mountains were moved or the earth were cloven asunder or the dead were made to speak (this would be the one!) But truly the Command is with Allah in things! Do not the Believers know that had Allah (so) willed He could have guided all mankind (to the Right)? But the Unbelievers never will disaster cease to seize them for their (ill) deeds or to settle close to their homes until the Promise of Allah come to pass for verily Allah will not fail in His promise” 13:31
Congratulation to the Nation of Islam; and Sheikh of Mujahideen Osama Abi Abdullah, and our Prince Mullah Mohamad Omar, and to Sheikh Al-Zawaheri, and to Fallujah, Al-Qa’im, Hadithah and Karabala. Congratulation to our people in Palestine and the whole Islamic nation for the prophesised and awaited destruction of the infidel’s head, America is at hand. This is showing the sign of their downfall. Every day disasters get closer to them.
{Now such were their houses,-in utter ruin,-because they practiced wrong-doing. Verily in this is a sign for people of knowledge.} 27:52
{…..We did them no wrong, but they were used to doing wrong to themselves.} 16:118
Not long ago the USA was able to target and assault any one they like, starve who ever they wished to starve and kill who every they chose to kill. Now it turns to their door steps; they are short of supplies and fuel. This is Allah’s sorties targeting the Americans. This is the result of the prayers of the innocent who have been unjustly treated by the infidels.
{ “So We opened the gates of heaven with water pouring forth” } 54:11
{ “And We caused the earth to gush forth with springs so the waters met (and rose) to the extent decreed” } 54:12
Nation of the beloved Mohamad (SAW), it is Allah’s prayers we seek and your Dua’a. The victory is on the horizon. Allah’s fury has been unleashed on the nation of evil, tyranny and oppression. Their death tolls are in the thousands, and their losses are in the billions. You should pray victory and perform the Dua’a for the Allah’s support of the Mujahideen.
{ “Say: "Can you expect for us (any fate) other than one of two glorious things (martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send His punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you.” } 113:52
If the Muslims on this earth fall short of the support of their faith then, Allah will counter the infidels. This is a wake up call to the Tyrant Arab regimes, the sorties of Allah in revenge through tidal waves, deluge, hurricanes and the Mujahideen is overtaking His enemies everywhere.
{….and none can know the forces of the Lord, except He, and this is no other than a reminder to mankind.} 74:31
{Say: O my people! Do whatever you can: I will do (my part): soon will you know who is it whose end will be (best) in the Hereafter: Certain it is that the wrong-doers will not prosper.} 06:135
O’ Allah, destroy the head of the Infidels, America,
O’ Allah, don’t leave one of them.
O’ Allah, punish them by our hand and yours,
O’ Allah, send them the Surge, Hurricanes and tidal waves,
O’ Allah, free our brothers and sisters in the jails of the crusaders and the apostates,
O’ Allah, give victory to the Mujahideen everywhere.
O’ Allah, protect our Mujahideen leaders Sheikh Osama, Mullah Omar and Shiekh Al- Zawahiri,
O’ Allah, bring harm to whoever wants to harm them,
O’ Allah, Author of the Koran, and the guider of clouds, grant us victory and defeat them
O’ Allah, Author of the Koran, and the guider of clouds, grant us victory and defeat them
O’ Allah, Author of the Koran, and the guider of clouds, grant us victory and defeat them.
{“These are some of the stories of communities which We relate unto thee: of them some are standing and some have been mown down” (by the sickle of time). } 11:100
{“It was not We that wronged them: they wronged their own souls: the deities other than Allah whom they invoked profited them no whit when there issued the decree of thy Lord: nor did they add aught (to their lot) but perdition! “} 11:101
{“Such is the chastisement of thy Lord when He chastises communities in the midst of their wrong: grievous indeed and severe is His chastisement.” } 11:102
Allahu Akbar...Allahu Akbar... Glory is to Allah, His Prophet and Believers.
Al-Qaida In The Land Of The Two Rivers
Rajab 28th 1426
September 3rd 2005
If wind is "an act of god" then what about:
"This survey revealed that 1.5% of the population of Saudi Arabia are blind and another 7.8% are visually impaired according to the WHO definition of blindness".
What is the sin that 7.8% of Saudi has committed?
Dear Netcurtains:
That's really high. Please indicate the source.
Ma'a-salaama,
Netcurtains3
05-09-2005, 12:38
Hi,
Its in many peer reviewed medical sites:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3712697&dopt=Abstract
But if you doubt the eye problem then there is the Flooding in Medina. Many deaths, worst for 20 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4205373.stm
John
Dear Netcurtains:
As I know you like googling and picking things that interest you I found out that this information about Saudi Arabia was a random survey of 1986:
Tabbara KF, Ross-Degnan D. Blindness in Saudi Arabia. JAMA 1986;255:3378-3384
It says that it reflected socio-economic conditions and that the blindess had been reduced substiantially during last decades. Since 1986, 2 more decades have passed, and the younger population is much bigger than older one where these blindness problems occured.
Have you searched on earth is flat?
Here are some:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/bartlett/flatearth.htm
Among others ;)
On Madinah, actually it rained in Makkah, I was unaware of raining in former. I was there during Hajj in January 2005, and as the artcile says and rightly the deaths were caused by negligence.
Ma'a-salaama,
Salam OM Mohammed,you said it perfectly brother,this was indeed an act of God.We never ask why because this is his will.I guess suffering is a part of our lives..........regard johara
Netcurtains3
05-09-2005, 14:29
Tayeb,
Its you who are probably out of date, my article was old but my brain runs using logic and not mumbo jumbo.
The sun is the main cause of eye problems. Saudi Arabia is very sunny.
The bright sun of Saudi, the strong winds of the USA, the changable weather of the UK are NATURE and not acts of God.
MAY 2005:
"
In fact, prolonged exposure to UV rays can result in serious eye damage.
"
http://www.preventblindness.org/news/releases/UV_2005.html
In fact you could argue that the story of Noah's ark is an explanation from a God saying that all floods and other environmental damages from this time onwards have nothing whatsoever to do with any god(s).
John
Tayeb,
Its you who are probably out of date, my article was old but my brain runs using logic and not mumbo jumbo.
The sun is the main cause of eye problems. Saudi Arabia is very sunny.
The bright sun of Saudi, the strong winds of the USA, the changable weather of the UK are NATURE and not acts of God.
MAY 2005:
"
In fact, prolonged exposure to UV rays can result in serious eye damage.
"
http://www.preventblindness.org/news/releases/UV_2005.html
In fact you could argue that the story of Noah's ark is an explanation from a God saying that all floods and other environmental damages from this time onwards have nothing whatsoever to do with any god(s).
John
Well John your logic has revealed itself here. The main cause of blindness isn't what came first into your mind and your google search with specific keywords could find. It's trachoma. Have a nice read at:
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000889/
Sun isn't the cause as far as Saudi Arabia is concerned.
Ma'a-salaama,
Netcurtains3
05-09-2005, 15:38
lol,
the way you're trying to defend Saudi sunlight problems makes me think you've got yourself some saudi sponsorship money. Well done if you have.
ps - that link was awful - it starts off calling Saudi "TROPICAL"....
I'm no expert by even I know that most of Saudi is hot, dry, SUNNY and desert. On a list of Tropical countries it would not even take bottom place.
John
Dear Netcurtains:
I'm a sucessful bsuinessman and I don't need any Saudi money so the hat doesn't fit on my head.
Anyhow I just explained trachoma and it's befitting tropical countries. I didn't say Saudi Arabia was tropical, but the blindness is symptomatic of socio-econiomic conditions. In Saudi Arabia it affects mainly bedouins, in the past the poorest people in that country. The stats you were presenting were of mid 80's.
But if you had read the link I gave you'd understood the causes of trachoma - nothing to do with your quick logical mind thinking the keyword sunshine ;)
In case the link was too boring for you here's an excerpt:
"Trachoma is the second commonest cause of blindness in the world. It is endemic in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Aboriginal communities in Australia with an estimated 360 million people affected worldwide. There is no racial predilection, only a predilection for poverty and poor personal hygiene. Women are affected 2 to 4 times as often as men."
Ma'a-salaama,
Bro Voice,
its not brother tbahrain's 'fault' that american soldiers are having remorse and gulity conscience. i am relieved to know that their conscience is still alive!
i would say this hurricane is a big eye opener for muslims and non muslims alike, and so was tsunami and so was iraq afghan wars.
lubna
As-Salam Alaikum:
I believe that you and tbahrain were right and I was wrong. I’m not talking here about the hurricane itself but about what followed it from lootings, crimes, rapes and the neglect of US government to the situation.
When looting and crimes started in Iraq after the fall of Baghdad many people around the world blamed the Iraqis for that and western newspapers used the topic to cover the stories of the crimes committed by Us soldiers against Iraqis but all what Iraqis did was done by Americans who live in the most rich nation in the world and are not poor as Iraqis.
It is so strange to see US cant cope with such a disaster happened in its own land while it maintained for years that it is leading Iraq to a better future though Iraq is thousands of miles far from US!
I don’t blame the hurricane for the death of Americans the much I blame US government and its supporters who by backing it in its war on Iraq made their country unable of saving its own people from death.
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