Khilafah: The root of unacknowledged terrorism

[lubna]

Khilafah: The root of unacknowledged terrorism

http://www.icssa.org/unacknowledged_terrorism.html





Requiem for a Nation

http://www.icssa.org/requiem.html

[Om_Mohammed]

Assalaamu alaikum.

Excellent articles. MashaAllah. Thankyou for posting their links.

I would like to mention something.

I noticed in the second article, it refers to the blindness of the American public to the lying and deception of their leaders.

I care to object to that viewpoint.

I mean, on my last visit to the states recently...although I came in contact with truly only few americans...still the greater impression that I got from all those whom I did come in contact were...was that they are not blind to the deception and lying of their leaders.

But still...for some odd reason...they still gather up behind the administration in bulks of support, rather than distress and objection.

It is this that I cannot fathom. Why the support, when they know they have been lied to and deceived?

Why the all-out support when they know he (bush) is such a rotton guy?

Oh, yes, there are those who are more outspoken in their objection to him and his administration and their wish to remove him from office. But they are by far the fewer!!

But as for the majority, they are giving him full support...all the time acknowledging his inefficiency in his position.

Strange indeed.

Om Mohammed.

[tbahrain]

Assalamualaikum, sis Om Muhammed.

Perhaps you met only a very small majority and that too I believe people from the more progressive states like California. If you talk to people down south and mid America you would not be that surprised. These would be the Bible thumphing sorry to say, uninformed Americans who only listen to their pastors and Bush, who often revokes the Bible would be more than acceptable to them.

If you care to check, Pat Robertson who recently called for the killing of Hugo Chevez is one of them.

[tbahrain]

I think the warnings signs are all around us for what has happened – the politicization of fundamentalist Christianity. I mean, we've had that since the early days of the Cold War when Billy Graham became a tribune of anticommunism. But what's new is the way in which this marginal fundamentalist Christianity has entered the political mainstream and taken hold on Capitol Hill. Dozens and dozens of congressmen and senators are now overt Christian fundamentalists who apply their theology – including religious categories like Armageddon and end-of-the-world justifications for violence – to their political decisions. The kind of apocalyptic political thinking that Robert Jay Lifton has written about has now become so mainstream that we even see it in the United States military. For the first time, at least in my lifetime, overt religiosity has emerged as a military virtue and I'm not just talking about General [William] Boykin, the wacko who deliberately and explicitly insulted the Islamic religion…

Read more here: http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=7224

[lubna]

You know, in this way, we're now like the Soviet Union once it collapsed into Russia. When it could no longer pay the salaries of its soldiers, Russia fell back on its nuclear arsenal as its only source of power. In a way the Soviet Union never was, Russia is now a radically nuclear-dependent military power. The Red Army doesn't really count for much any more. And we've done that to ourselves in Iraq. This is what it means to have lost the war already. We didn't need an enemy to do it for us. We've done it to ourselves.

Assalamoalykum dear brother tbahrain

above is the excerpt from the link that you gave, and it reminded me about a qoute by some one, here it is.

the 'great' nations are not being murdered but they commit suicide!

[lubna]

I noticed in the second article, it refers to the blindness of the American public to the lying and deception of their leaders.

I care to object to that viewpoint.

I mean, on my last visit to the states recently...although I came in contact with truly only few americans...still the greater impression that I got from all those whom I did come in contact were...was that they are not blind to the deception and lying of their leaders. .

if they are not blind then they must call bush a liar. as 9/11 was an inside job and WMD didnt even exist.
may be they are not blind but are turned into zombies....:)

or could it be that the greater impression you got from few americans ,the writer's greater impression comes from the other majority ....:)




But still...for some odd reason...they still gather up behind the administration in bulks of support, rather than distress and objection.

It is this that I cannot fathom. Why the support, when they know they have been lied to and deceived?

Why the all-out support when they know he (bush) is such a rotton guy?.


Strange indeed.




looks like you have forgotton that elections were a big fraud,so the americans are being lied and decieved day in and day out ,proves the point of the author.
his winning the elction is not a proof of his popularity but his cheating ...
when somthing is strange, common sense tells us not to accept it without questioning.

here is the logical question,

when bush is so disliked by the whole world for his policies , how come he won?
if people from outside of america know how bad bush is, so should the americans, even better. hence they cant vote for him.... so they must be duped.

if bush can lie to kill afghanis and iraqis, why cant he lie to win an election?

you know his own brother is the governor of the florida.......:).

i have great hope in american public contrary to the US authority.

[tbahrain]

Reminds me of the lyrics of a song " There's none so blind as he who will not see".

[Om_Mohammed]

Assalaamu alaikum.

Well, to be the first to admit it...the people whom I came in contact with in my recent visit to the states were of course a very small minority of the population. For me, being who I am, a simple citizen of this world, it would be extremely difficult to meet personally a majority of US citizens in only one month.

Actually, the ppl I met were not from California...they were from Florida. Seeing as how my visit was to Florida.

And although the majority of folks I did come in contact with were in this stupendous support of Bush...I did also meet some folks who have seen thru his baloney and are speaking up against it. But again...those sort of folks are a comparative few.

And this is the same impression I got when out on the streets anywhere. That ppl are for some reason in support of him ever so silently.

You see, in speaking to those folks, and learning that they are seeing thru his and his admin's lies...yet still for some reason they are in support of him. Even if they didn't vote for him.

It's like...well, I think perhaps you hit it on the nose when you mentioned the term 'zombies'.

Anyways...I certainly am not forgetting for one moment his fradulent 'win' of the elections...neither the first time nor the second.

And did anyone know that...he has been pushing for a change of legislation...an ammendment to one of the ammendments?? If he gets this...that means that he will make himself eligible to 'run' for yet a third term!!

subhanAllah...a 'democratic' method of pushing towards a tyrannical government!!

This tidbit comes from sites like www.democraticunderground.com

My point I am trying to get across to u is that...out in the streets...in many public arenas...u get the feeling that the public is simply passive about his reign and his administrative measures. They may complain about it, yes...but they go no further than foaming at the mouths about it.

It seems as if they are stifled.

And even worse...many of the folks are scared to speak up much, if they are in disagreement...for the SS-type of reactions they will get from anyone spying on them. Within the confines of their own country!!

That's freedom of speech for you.

There is certainly a great change going on within the borders there.

Not like it used to be, that's for sure.

Om Mohammed.

[tbahrain]

The Americans are happy at watching Reality Shows but they are not being shown the real realities like the flag-draped bodies returning from Iraq.

If this is shown then maybe it will jolt them into action and Bush knows this.

[tbahrain]

WHY PAT ROBERTSON ISN'T TREATED AS A TERRORIST

John Chuckman

America's fundamentalist carnival includes many fascinating acts. Pay your money, and you can watch preachers weeping and screaming, dismissing whole segments of humanity as evil, threatening murder, shaking down congregations for extra donations to named-after-themselves projects, or hitting people in the head to heal cancer. You will also see some monsters finally caught after years of molesting children or hear others advocating crimes against humanity such as using nuclear weapons.

Pat Robertson is one of the Christian Sideshow's longer-running acts, periodically adding some new nightmare to his grim repertoire. Oddly, Pat regards himself as a kind statesman-preacher, a latter-day boondocks version of Talleyrand, Talleyrand having started his remarkable and utterly unprincipled career as a Bishop. Pat regularly mixes the tax-free benefits of religion with the promotion of nasty politics. He has run for President, started quasi-religious organizations to promote his political ambitions, and freely offers his uninformed advice on national and world affairs.

Talleyrand had his various church properties and offices to support him in princely fashion while he worked at politics. Pat supports his public-minded work on resources gathered through one of America's greatest money-changer-in-the-temple careers. The fortune generated through decades of his appeals to unhappy, lonely people watching television gives him access to a genuine commercial empire, from so-called Christian broadcasting to oil refining.

A key difference between Talleyrand and Pat is that Talleyrand was frightfully clever and was a breathtaking success at politics. I put the difference, in part, down to style. Talleyrand in person might remind one of the late Archbishop Sheen, snapping and twirling his scarlet cape and watching his listeners with penetrating eyes - to all that would added something of Lord Byron's fascinating stench of corruption. Robertson has never quite escaped the Jesus-on-the-dashboard flavor of his early career. Pat is pure Super Duper Auto Parts, Aisle Six, smiling salesman for mud flaps and sequined sets of big dice, but with enough animal cunning to have risen to running every Aisle Six on the continent.

Pat recently announced on national television that America should murder the elected leader of another country, President Chavez of Venezuela. Previously Pat restricted himself to insulting the religion of a billion people, Islam, or insulting the victims of natural disasters in the United States. After a hurricane in which old men, women, and children died, Pat blamed the victims for their fate by claiming God was punishing America's immorality. His latest effort breaks new ground, being, by any meaningful definition, public advocacy of terror.

Why won't Pat Robertson be treated as a terrorist? Believe me, if you said what he said about any of America's current leaders, you would be arrested quickly under the Patriot Act and locked away. Why will Pat Robertson's broadcasting empire not be classified as an organization supporting terrorist activities? Perfectly legitimate organizations in other parts of the world have been declared outlaw in the United States for having less direct association with terrorist hate-speech. Several bloodthirsty-sounding Muslim clerics, completely unrepresentative of their faith, have been jailed recently for speech closely resembling Robertson's.

At the very least, Robertson should be charged under hate-speech laws. But such laws are weak in the United States, and many Americans fear the idea of hate-speech laws. So radio and television broadcasters continue spewing hate and dishonest claims in the exalted name of free speech.

We really do know why Pat Robertson won't be treated as a terrorist. It's for the same reason Bush's former Attorney General of the United States could tell a group of decent, honest, hard-working American Muslims that they should count themselves lucky they weren't being treated the way Japanese Americans were during World War II. It's for the same reason that Bush protects a mass murderer named Luis Posada Carriles from extradition and trial. It's for the same reason that American troops have made a horror of the lives of millions of innocent Iraqis. It's for the same reason a distraught mother who lost her son in Iraq is vilified by Right Wing savages. It's the same reason why the morally-contemptible Bush is President.

The reason is the worship of power and greed. While it's true that a great deal of America's history has to do with worshipping power and greed, never in my memory has it been so openly expressed, so contemptuously embraced as it is today. It is a sad to reflect in my twilight years that almost everything I was taught as a boy has proved to be wrong. I don't mean subjects like math or English. I mean values. Most of the evidence of my adult life tends to support the opposite of every moral lesson of my youth, certainly as they apply to the land of my birth, a place where power and greed now trump everything.

I was taught murder always is wrong. I was taught lying always is wrong. I was taught that lusting after money and power is wrong. I was taught that good men prevailed and evil men sooner or later paid for their acts. These lessons came from a ferociously-honest and brave mother who alone raised two boys on the South Side of Chicago. They came also from the church I attended. And they came from some wonderful books and stories I read.

The success of vicious Pat Robertson and his even more vicious President, George Bush, provide almost perfect allegories for the soul-dead thing America has become.

Religion, politics, journalism, and even academics serve the American worship of power and greed. I had a brief exchange recently with an exalted fellow from one of America's many well-financed propaganda mills tarted up to resemble research organizations. This exalted fellow had been on a national radio interview, interestingly enough on the same subject of Venezuela. Apart from inaccurate claims about a new broadcast network established in Venezuela while he made a case for American interference, when reminded that Mr. Chavez was democratically elected, he chimed in with, "So was Hitler!"

Hitler, despite huge expenditures and desperately hard campaigns, never received more than just over a third of votes. He was appointed Chancellor, after a long series of backroom manipulations, by the Republic's ancient and exhausted President von Hindenburg. Hitler's rise more closely resembles that of some of America's favorite shady men in Iraq and Pakistan than it does that of a man whose election was closely scrutinized and declared fair by international watchers.

I couldn't let such an inaccurate claim stand and looked up his outfit on the Internet. There, on a page resembling something from a university or research center, was a large quote from Rush Limbaugh about the tremendous job they were doing. What kind of a research institution quotes Rush Limbaugh? There were also, importantly, links for bequests and gifts. And there was an e-mail link to the man on the Venezuela case.

My particular exalted fellow answered at length, accepting the truth of my correction, but making a mighty effort to turn someone's getting one-third of the vote into a de facto election. There were paragraphs of labored reasoning larded with unnecessary facts, perhaps from a history text quickly consulted before replying. He missed the point entirely of respecting a genuinely democratic decision. Here is the kind of analysis being touted across America in an effort to influence the world. And these people do influence the world. The same people helped bring you the murderous disaster in Iraq.

[Netcurtains3]

Great piece of writing.

It would be great to see reprinted in the West, Muslims from Malaysia and Saudi Arabia lapooning their own extremist preachers in their national newspapers. I'm sure that would make just as good entertainment and bring some relief to westerners who tend to think all Muslims are Pat Robinson's.
Can you show me some so that I can compare the press freedoms of the different locations. Perhaps Malaysia? Or Saudi reports?

[tbahrain]

Net,

Here in Malaysia, we being a Third World country and has yet to be shown the true form of Democracy, we do not lampoon religious extremists, we jailed them.

Love to provide links to what I said above but they are not in english. Sorry.

[Voice]

Great piece of writing.

It would be great to see reprinted in the West, Muslims from Malaysia and Saudi Arabia lapooning their own extremist preachers in their national newspapers. I'm sure that would make just as good entertainment and bring some relief to westerners who tend to think all Muslims are Pat Robinson's.
Can you show me some so that I can compare the press freedoms of the different locations. Perhaps Malaysia? Or Saudi reports?

As-Salam Alaikum

You comparison between Saudi and Malaysia is so ridiculous. I think you found Malaysia on the map and knew that it is an Islamic country therefore it should be as bad as Saudi from human rights and democracy point of view!

Western people problem that they will not acknowledge a country to be a democratic one unless it enjoys the type of democracy which the west enjoys and here exactly lies the problem.

The concept that your democracy is the standard where others democracies should be evaluated and judged according to it is the main problem. It shows a rigid type of thinking where you have already voted your opinions as the Divine one and others as Evil one.

Malaysia has its own democracy which is much better than many versions found in European countries but because Malaysia has a taught stand against western terror policy of war and globalization, it is always depicted in western media as backward country while the truth is much far from that.

No Muslim scholar can preach extremism here is Malaysia nor you find much people in favor of such teaching and Islamic parties here are in decline and have the backing of one state only and might loose it in the coming election.
The government that governs the country is made of Muslims, Chinese and Indian parties which enjoy a good type of understanding.

I don’t think you will find even in USA or UK much peaceful atmosphere and life than the one you find here in Malaysia.

[tbahrain]

Assalamualaikum, Voice.

We Malaysians do not have to justify anything. After all, if Net is serious in equating us with any other country, he could google to find out.

BTW, I think Tun Mahathir is still doing a good job judging from his recent statement, don't you think so? :)

[Netcurtains3]

strikes me that you can knock a US fundamentalist preacher but you can't bring yourself to knock one of your own.

You're quick to say the West thinks Malaysia is 3rd world but give no evidence for this.

Strikes me that, you're making it up as you go along.

[tbahrain]

Whay strike one of our own? Plenty others are doing it for us and with better English, too. :D

[tbahrain]

Whay = Why.

Whay = Chinese for Hello. :D

[Voice]

As-Salam Alaikum tbahrain:

Man no matter what the truth is, as long as Malaysia in a country where it is govern by Muslims then it will always targeted by the media.
I know that Mahathir knows how to knell them down.
Anyhow read this article and see how US media mix facts with fallacies

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-11-03-malaysia-islam_x.htm

Notice in the article whom they blame for 1969 race riots!

Refards

[tbahrain]

Wa alaikum salam, Voice.

Thanks for the link. As usual these Westerners of course knew better. This guy with a name like Wiseman must be writing from the Green Zone.