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Om_Mohammed
13-09-2005, 16:56
Assalaamu alaikum.
I don't really watch much television. Don't get much of a chance to. And when I get the chance, I don't have control of the remote...so I don't usually watch the channels I would prefer.
Anyways, the other day...I couldn't get back to sleep again after the fajr prayer...had too much pain in my mouth from a tooth disorder. So got up to walk around the house a bit, and turned on the tv. To 'mbc4'. It's programming is largely talk shows and news-magazine type shows (like 20/20, and such).
As I was about to turn the channel...something struck my interest. It appeared another documentary about 9/11. And so it was...sort of. More or less a 'drama docu', as they call it. A re-hashing of the last hour of the flight American Airlines 11. On 9/11. As it went crashing into the wtc tower.
Was just wondering...did anyone else see it...and if so, what did u think about it?
here is a link that u can view it or at least read about it to familiarize urself with it.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/episode_2.html
Om Mohammed.
tbahrain
14-09-2005, 14:47
Wa alaikum salam, sis.
Here's a site that you might be interested in with regard to the 9-11 incidents.
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
tbahrain
14-09-2005, 14:56
Dick Cheney's slip of the tongue give away.
Slip #1
Friday, Oct. 12, 2001 (PARADE MAGAZINE)
Question: This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?
Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.
They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.
LINK: http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Slip #2:
Friday, Dec. 24, 2004 (NPR: All Things Considered)
Speech given during a visit to the troops in Iraq
"And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."
So desperately you cling to the hope that 9/11 was an inside job. Yet with all of the unanswered questions and alleged proof, the song remains the same.
The joy and celebration that many muslims had/have on that infamous date is enough to carry through all of the garbage, the ifs, the buts, etc. and to show us a glimpse of the reality of 9/11.
And now some of those same people if not more, who are praising Allah for his work in New Orleans... well what does this prove? This shows the American public that in fact there are those who wish them death!
It really makes it easy for a president (Bush) to say, we will go after those who wish us harm. Why would the public disagree with him?
People are really interesting, when it comes to "helping". Some are so concerned or consumed with the benefactors of aid or the aid process. ie. When the buildings fall, who cares about the people and the aid going to them what we care about is who gets the contract to rebuild. Does it really matter? So what if the US takes some of those things, hey they were there helping. Should these things go to those who sit idly by and wait for the contracts to roll there way?
When that tsunami hit, did anyone really care who was going to rebuild or what resources there were to take control of? Yet the US was there just like they show up everywhere there is a crisis regardless if there is any personal gain or not.
This nonsense about people being afraid to talk openly against Bush in public is absolutely rediculous. Nothing more than a desperate attempt to push more propaganda against the US, and trying to make Bush out to be Saddam. People in N.America are free to speak their minds, voice their opinions openly toward their goverments, locally or federally. Without fear of being beheaded.
or stoned to death etc. They just need to be ready for those who will disagree.
My North America stands for.... Giving everyone choices, including religion, profession, family. Sure money can buy you opportunity, however there are many many examples of the "poor" or "middle class" making themselves wealthy from scratch from their own hard work and determination, and not spending all of their time crying about not getting the same handouts others had.... self loathing, self pity, oh poor me.... please.
Conspiracy's can be fun, but let us not allow them to paralize us into nothingness.
And now some of those same people if not more, who are praising Allah for his work in New Orleans... well what does this prove? This shows the American public that in fact there are those who wish them death!
It really makes it easy for a president (Bush) to say, we will go after those who wish us harm. Why would the public disagree with him?
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dmcan,stop fighting your imaginary enemy... read Steven Moyer
Katrina Showed us our Ignorance
By Steven Moyer
Al-Jazeerah, September 14, 2005
Katrina showed us how we ignored the true threats to our nation's health and security while we were manufacturing war against imaginary enemies. Katrina showed us our poor and downtrodden. Katrina showed us the racism inherent in our economic system which silently discriminates against black people. Katrina showed us the sinister nature of our own government as it withheld food and water from these poor people. Katrina showed us the truth about Republican ideology. It showed us our prejudice, hatred, vanity, greed, selfishness, arrogance and irresponsibility. It showed us the evil within our hearts.
Katrina was a blessing. It shattered our ignorance and woke us up to the truth.
Katrina showed us our immorality. Katrina showed us the decadence of New Orleans and the greed of the gambling casinos in Mississippi. It showed us our "love of money" at the expense of others.
read more:
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2005%20Opinion%20Editorials/September/14%20o/Katrina%20Showed%20us%20our%20Ignorance%20By%20Ste ven%20Moyer.htm
My imaginary enemy? please spare me your trite propaganda.
There weren't any sick, elderly or poor white people in New Orleans? Sure Katrina exposed some of the USA's poor in New Orleans, what is your point?
There are "poor" people all over the world, so who's fault is that? George Bush? Oh yes George Bush withheld food and water hoping all the black people would die...... ah I see.
What the hell do the casinos have to do with anything? I have several casinos within 1 hour of where I live.... does this make me somekind of money hungry racist arrogant war mongering elitist? I think not.
I won't even start with my views on racism..... or should i say reverse racism.
I don't need someone from the far left or the far right to tell me what I should believe. I don't need to surf the net to find articles written by them to prove or back up my point of view. I have my own mind thank you.
You have to know that being a politician is to perform quite a balancing act. You lean too far to either side you will fall off.
Something for you to think about.......
I have seen several people here share their belief that the election was rigged/fixed etc(just like 9/11). Then I see a post from can't remember who about their trip to the US and how the majority of the people support Bush where they were. If that is in fact true, wouldn't that tell you that perhaps the election was real seeing as how there was so much support for him? oh of course not...
This other conspiracy that the US and Israel are in some kind of partnership to destroy muslims is quite interesting as well. Considering nearly all of hollywood hate Bush and his party and yet they happen to be jewish....
Perhaps Muslims should stop fighting their imaginary enemy(USA). Oh and while they are at it, those in Iraq who are killing each other may want to stop and realize who they are killing. If these so called insurgance would just stop, the US would leave already. They don't realize that the longer they fight, the longer the US will be there and the longer it will be before there is any kind of peace. Oh wait.... these people don't want peace, I don't think they even know what they want. They are to blinded with hatred ie. Racism!
By the way what was the reason for Allah to wish that tsunami on all of those people ?
My North America stands for.... Giving everyone choices, including religion, profession, family.
Let me add few lines for what My your North America stands for:
Lunching wars on any country regardless of whether it has the backing of International law or not.
Massacring Iraqis as much as it can, ruining their country and dividing it into three zones.
Demanding heavy compensations for any Americans killed by other country while ignoring more than 3 millions of Vietnamese killed by US soldiers who received not a single dollar from US government.
Backing dictators when it wants and kicking them out when it wants, example, Sadam, Shah of Iran, Marcos and Latin America war lords and dictators.
Arming to its teeth Israel and helping it capturing Arabs lands.
We don’t care about what US stands for Americans because that is an internal issue which left for Americans to evaluate it but we care about its crimes and brutality that filled the globe and which effects billions of people.
tbahrain
15-09-2005, 01:50
dmcam,
You sure am living in a Bizaro world, my friend. Know what Bizaro is? Here's the link.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6904
Massacring Iraqis as much as it can, ruining their country and dividing it into three zones.
Iraq was divided long before the US showed up. Saddam just had them all quieted into submission. This not from CNN but from actual Iraq's who had fled the country. By the way, the murdering occurring there right now is not by the US alone, i don't need to point out the daily.... I'll use this one sided boards words here, "Massacre" of civillians by the insurgance who have just declared war on the shiites. But, of course you will all talk of puppet regimes and suggest the gaza pullout is all some underlying plot to kill muslims.
Demanding heavy compensations for any Americans killed by other country while ignoring more than 3 millions of Vietnamese killed by US soldiers who received not a single dollar from US government.
I don't even know what you are trying to say with this comment.
Backing dictators when it wants and kicking them out when it wants, example, Sadam, Shah of Iran, Marcos and Latin America war lords and dictators.
I will give you this one, I never said the US was perfect, although some of this is debateable.
Arming to its teeth Israel and helping it capturing Arabs lands.
In your mind...
We don’t care about what US stands for Americans because that is an internal issue which left for Americans to evaluate it but we care about its crimes and brutality that filled the globe and which effects billions of people.
Obviously you do care because it's brought up here enough. I suppose any bombings around the globe targeted not only at the US but any random country, who's responsibility is claimed by muslim militant groups, these people are innocents' ?
So no one really wanted to address anything I said, but rather ignore it and continue the tirade on the "devils own" USA.
For the record, I did not support the decision to go into Iraq and I am from Canada not the US. However, I would prefer people stop crying about that decision and think about the best way to fix it from here. We all know what would happen to Iraq right now if the US just picked up and left. So that is not a reasonable solution.
Have a nice day
So no one really wanted to address anything I said, but rather ignore it and continue the tirade on the "devils own" USA.
US is the hot subject these days....... katrina's water put even more fuel on fire....... but since you feel neglected i will talk to you inshaAllah....:)
please spare me your trite propaganda.
you carry on with yours and i with mine ,and may the best one win Ameen!
A:I don't need someone from the far left or the far right to tell me what I should believe. I don't need to surf the net to find articles written by them to prove or back up my point of view. I have my own mind thank you.
B:I have seen several people here share their belief that the election was rigged/fixed etc(just like 9/11). Then I see a post from can't remember who about their trip to the US and how the majority of the people support Bush where they were. If that is in fact true, wouldn't that tell you that perhaps the election was real seeing as how there was so much support for him? oh of course not...?
that member is sis om mohammad, and you have just contradicted yourself in your statments A and B. if you have your own mind then how come you are using om mohamad's mind to support your support for the support of the bush....:) (please do support my sense of humour here..)
as for me as a muslim, i have no shame nor arrogance in benefiting from others knowledge and will not hesitate to use their articles to support my view point . the eloquent they are the more fulfil i feel as i lack that eloquence.... and i am not stubborn either Alhumdulillah,if they have truth in their write ups then i will accept it and change my views accordingly.
as Allah says,
''So ask the People of Knowledge if you do not know. Qur'an 21:7 ''
and also prophet muhammad peace be upon him said,
''knowledge is a mumin's/muslim's lost property, he gets it where ever he finds it''
This other conspiracy that the US and Israel are in some kind of partnership to destroy muslims is quite interesting as well. Considering nearly all of hollywood hate Bush and his party and yet they happen to be jewish....
just becos they express their hate for the bush, doesnt mean they dont own him........ on the contrary it proves a typical example of a master slave realtionship....;)
[Perhaps Muslims should stop fighting their imaginary enemy(USA).
are you saying there is no US army that invaded muslim lands.....i thought only the dead US marines were invisible, but you cant even see the live ones... you need a good rest brother!
By the way what was the reason for Allah to wish that tsunami on all of those people ?
no one has the knowledge of Allah's affairs, but wise ones learn a lot of lessons from any affair be it human or divine.
so from multiple lessons and reasons that we can get ,here is one
Allah told us muslims that US is not the super power but its Allah, who is in no need of atomic bombs ,misiles or apachi helicopters etc if he wants to destroy us. all he needs is tell that soft sweet cool breeze that we adore, to blow at a high speed and poof! we are doomed , or tell the nice cool water that we love to swim and sale in ,go wild and Lo, we are helpless like an ant in a teaspoon.
Allah is telling muslims to unite against the evil forces to uphold the truth and justice and not to be afraid of any harm that those forces might threat them with.
Allah is telling muslims it is Allah that they should fear the most and not any 'super power' like US or UK.
Allah is telling us muslims that look how helpless these so called scientifically and technologically advanced countries are when it comes to natural disasters.... they dont have a clue until it hits their face!
so in short Allah is putting his fear in our hearts than the fear of man.only then we can rise as a strong ummah inshaAllah!
may Allah guide us all to the truth, give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands Ameen.
peace
lubna
you carry on with yours and i with mine ,and may the best one win Ameen!
Don't beleive I tried to push any "beliefs" on anyone in my post. Only disagreement in supposed facts posted by others.
that member is sis om mohammad, and you have just contradicted yourself in your statments A and B. if you have your own mind then how come you are using om mohamad's mind to support your support for the support of the bush.... (please do support my sense of humour here..)
Thank you for the info on who's post it was. I think you missed the point though. I was merely pointing out that specific contradiction in itself. I was not "quoting" an article by some supposed expert and their opinions, as everyone here seems to love to do.
just becos they express their hate for the bush, doesnt mean they dont own him........ on the contrary it proves a typical example of a master slave realtionship....
So what are you saying here? that you/muslims hate Allah or that Allah hates you/Muslims?
are you saying there is no US army that invaded muslim lands.....i thought only the dead US marines were invisible, but you cant even see the live ones... you need a good rest brother!
I am not saying that.... But, I am suggesting that It's possible that the
US is not trying to destroy all Muslims, as you seem to think. And this was only a retort to your suggestion that I am fighting some imaginary enemy... As far as I know, I am not in any war fighting anyone.
no one has the knowledge of Allah's affairs,
Apparently some do, considering many muslims have stated publically that Allah sent hurricane Katrina to the Southern US in response to the USA's political agenda.
Allah is telling us muslims that look how helpless these so called scientifically and technologically advanced countries are when it comes to natural disasters.... they dont have a clue until it hits their face!
So Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia are so called scientifically and technologically advanced countries?
Anyway, I am not going to argue this post anymore. We all have our own beliefs as we should, we are individuals with our own minds. I just wish there was some way to end the stress, the tension and extreme hatred in this world before we are all in a war no one can win.
It is very easy to point out faults, wrong doings etc... What is difficult is coming up with solutions.
As-Salam Alaikum dmcan:
You are talking to an Iraqi here who is well aware of the history of his country and if some Iraqis abroad said something then that might be wrong.
When you investigate a crime, you don’t satisfy with the final scene but you need to start from the root. Iraq had never has such number of deaths or crimes in its history and Sadam though he is criminal did not kill the much the Iraqis or the western media indicate.
No, Iraqis lived in a harmony even when Sadam was in power but if you are talking about Kurds then be sure that nothing satisfy Kurds but independence and they were always source of troubles to Iraq and Iraqis. Though their land in Iraq was only one city in the North of Iraq and majority of them live in Turkey and Iran, they migrated to Iraq after 1920 and day after day ethnically cleansed Arabs, Christians and Turkmen from those cities and now they call those cities Kurdistan, mean lad of the Kurds.
My parents are from the North of Iraq and I’m a revert to Islam and know very well what I’m talking about.
US knows that it has enemies everywhere and as Bush the infidel said, he shifted terrorism threat from US to Iraq where Iraq became the zone to settle matters with US and Iraqis are left to pay for that.
Iraq is now governed by many countries, besides US there is Iran, Syria, the Iraqi government and armed resistance groups and al-Qaida. In such situation no law can be implemented nor truth can be established.
Besides the above there are the Mosad which uses Irbail and Kirkuk in Iraq as its main bases and carries certain operations in Iraq including the mysterious killing of Iraqi scientists.
So you don’t believe that US arms Israel? OK have a look here:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html
Netcurtains3
16-09-2005, 22:18
Come of it,
If anyone is making political capital out of Katrina its chancellor schroder. He's a socialist and he's being saying "See if the conservative gets in that will be us in a few years". He was expected to totally lose the election by a big margin. It will be interesting to see how many extra votes Katrina will give to "German Labour".
The big thing about Katrina was not how bad the US treats its poor working class inner-city people but for the first time it was on prime time TV accross the world. Bush, suddenly cares, not because the US is bad to the poor but rather because the US is being shown on Global TV as bad to the poor. As soon as the media dies down these poor mainly black people will again be faceless nobodies - having to live in neigbourhoods where people causally go round shooting with guns. We've all seen it now. Interesting if it swings the German election.
Net.
So what are you saying here? that you/muslims hate Allah or that Allah hates you/Muslims?.
so what are you saying then ,that jews are DIVINE/CHOSEN and Bush is Gentile/Goyim....;)
i had a feeling you will bring Allah into it ....
dear brother dmcan God-Man relationship is different than Man-Man, i was talking about master slave relationship where a man is a master of another man. ..and hence exploit him badly cos he cant get rid of his selfish human nature.
Allah is not human and has no human weaknesses and emotions .we owe Allah everything but he ows us nothing, our very existance depend on Him, we are His slave in a true sense. we depend on him totally. while he needs us not.our love doesnt exalt Him any more and our hate doesnt hurt Him, but it only changes our status as slaves. it can make us good slaves or bad slaves.
Anyway, I am not going to argue this post anymore.
ok fine by me. i am glad i was there when you needed to talk....:)
peace
lubna
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