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Tayeb
16-07-2007, 12:05
US church to pay sex victims $660m
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ED653890-C3F7-4F0F-887E-440F4BB95B2E.htm

The 508 victims will receive between $100,000
and $4m each in compensation [Reuters]


The leader of the largest US Roman Catholic archdiocese has apologised for what he called a "terrible sin and crime" as the church said it would pay a record $660m to people who were sexually abused by priests.

Facing trial on Monday over abuse allegations dating as far back as the 1940s, the archdiocese led by Cardinal Roger Mahony agreed to pay 508 victims the largest-ever group settlement on Sunday.

"I have come to understand far more deeply that I ever could the impact of this terrible sin and crime that has affected their lives," Mahony said.

"There really is no way to go back and give them that innocence that was taken from them," he said. "I apologise to anyone who has been abused. It should never have happened and it should never happen again."

Disclosure

Jeff Anderson, a lawyer representing alleged victims of abuse, told Al Jazeera that as part of the settlement, the archdiocese agreed to disclose files allegedly documenting the abuses, indicating that the leadership knew of the crimes.

He said the archdiocese had settled to avoid the scrutiny it would have received during trial.

Victims allege Mahony did not deal properly with complaints against priests of abuse, and the settlement spares him difficult questions in court.

Barbara Blaine, founder of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said "Cardinal Mahony and other church leaders would have had to take the witness stand under oath and tell the truth about how much they knew and how little they did with that knowledge to protect the children".

"What we would have seen is the horrors with the reality that hundreds of children were sexually assaulted, raped, sodomised by priests when the leadership of the church knew."

The settlement was the latest chapter in a clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church worldwide, damaging its reputation and causing five US dioceses to seek bankruptcy protection.


http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2007/7/16/1_224384_1_3.jpg
Victims allege Mahony did not deal properly
with complaints against priests [Reuters]

Mixed reaction

Some victims say the money will not ease their physical and emotional suffering.

Mary Grant, who said she was sexually abused, told Al Jazeera: "I as well as hundreds of other survivors who filed these lawsuits, filed them because church officials like Cardinal Mahony and others refused to inform parishioners of the priests who abused them or removed them from parish ministries."

Steve Sanchez, 47, one of 12 victims who had been scheduled to go to trial, said: "I have a mixed reaction. "There's a group of victims who have been fighting this publicly and ready to take on the church publicly, probably a handful. At the same time there is a large group of victims who did not want to go through with the process, being in the public."

Sanchez, a financial planner, said he and his brother were abused by Los Angeles priest Clinton Hagenbach, who died in 1987.

Tod Tamberg, a spokesman for the Los Angeles archdiocese, said Mahony would be in court on Monday as lawyers seek the judges' approval of the settlement.

Individual victims will receive between $100,000 and $4m each, said Ray Boucher, a lawyer for the plaintiffs.

A lawyer for the church said a third to half of settlements typically goes to plaintiffs' attorneys as compensation in contingency cases.

The lawyers declined to discuss their fees.

Insurance

J Michael Hennigan, a lawyer for the archdiocese, expects payments by the end of the year.

He said the church would sell real estate assets, including the Los Angeles Archdiocese headquarters and perhaps some high schools, to raise the funds.

Hennigan said the church would fund about $250m of the $660m settlement, with the rest coming from insurers including Chubb, AIG, Allianz and Fireman's Fund with whom the church holds general liability policies, as well as several Catholic orders.

The Catholic Church, in which priests take a vow of celibacy, has faced abuse allegations worldwide over the past decade.

Some US dioceses have reached financial settlements with victims.

The Boston archdiocese, where the US scandal erupted in 2002, reached a 2003 deal for 550 people worth $85m.

But victims have had special leverage in California because state legislators have authorised an exception to the statute of limitations for old abuse complaints.

Tayeb
16-07-2007, 21:30
Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=407808&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source)

Netcurtains3
16-07-2007, 21:52
Tayeb,
Its horrible.
But you will not find mainstream Catholics who will deny it happened.

Suppose a muslim cleric knowingly let a child be forced into a "marriage".
Should the religious organisation that the muslim cleric belonged to be liable
to damages?

You might want to brush this under the carpet, but my words will come back
to haunt you in 40 years (if you are still alive)...

..There will be some monumental court cases involving sex scandels arranged and facilitated by muslim clerics and marriage of minors (by force).... Even in the UK.

40 years behind......Its brewing just under the surface and it will come out soon.

John

Tayeb
16-07-2007, 23:03
There's no Church in Islam or any institution that can respond for individual cases. But you'll agree here was an institution sweeping under carpet, depraved priests abusing children.

Netcurtains3
16-07-2007, 23:43
Tayeb,
I certainly do 100% agree.

I also suspect you are being ultra naive about Islamic organisations.
Some of these Islamic organisations have substanial funds and any forced
child bride can, and most probably will, make a claim for compensation.

John

Tayeb
17-07-2007, 12:12
Dear John,

What I think you need to understand that in Islam there's no such a thing as structured, organized system of marrying child brides. If any marriage occurs that most likely is on individual basis.

On Catholic Church and abuse of children by priests there was an organizational coverup. Hence the large compensation. Otherwise all these cases would have become individual cases between the victims and abusers.

Islamic institutions don't carry out weddings. Wedding is a social contract between two individuals. You just need any person knowledgeable of Islam and two witnesses to carry out a wedding. In many Muslim countries there is already a minimum legal age of marriage. In these countries it is required that only authorized persons can carry out wedding and a wedding certificate is issued.

Here in Portugal beginning June 1st, Muslim marriages carried out through Islamic Community of Lisbon (a legal Association that runs the Central Lisbon Mosque) are legal according to portuguese law. Of course these marriages must not be against the portuguese law, i.e. both partners must be of marriagable age, both must be unmarried, i.e. either one cannot be already married etc.

Ma'a-salaama,

Netcurtains3
17-07-2007, 19:48
...as I said, legislation has now started,
compensation will soon be following....

There are 250 REPORTED muslim forced marriages reported in the UK
each year. In may 2007 the legislation arrived, compensation will
soon follow

http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/newsrelease090507b.htm

If anyone is worried about forced marriages or wants some
government advice on how to get help, this is the phone number
020 7008 0151

John

Tayeb
18-07-2007, 12:00
Once more what you report isn't an institutional coverup, at least there's no such accusation towards any Muslim organization. In this compensation case, object of discussion of this topic your beloved Church, in the person of the then Cardinal and now Pope had a part to play in coverup of these crimes that were committed by depraved priests and religious persons.

It's tip of the iceberg. Many poor victims in the Third World and elsewhere cannot hire lawyers to sue the Church.

I can explain somehow why the Catholic Church didn't take action. There's a crisis of priests, more retire and die than join priesthood. Celibacy is one of the main problems why these priests abuse children. Being supposedly men of God and ought not undertake sexual acts, their hormones force them to do such acts.

Ma'a-salaama,

Netcurtains3
18-07-2007, 21:09
fascinating evidence of behavioural and cultural divergence
beween yourself and me.

linden branch
19-07-2007, 00:49
What a vapid waste of electronic ether

Netcurtains3
19-07-2007, 19:37
the topic might not be very edifying
but it is the sort of sordid underbelly of religion
that needs to be addressed.
The current Cardinal of England, cardinal cormack,
was promoted to Cardinal after the newpapers
highlighted that he allowed a known sex-abuser
to be a priest to pilgrims at gatwick airport.
Now I am reasonably satisfied that the British Law
enforcers and the English Catholic church have more
or less got their house in order. What I am not
happy with is the current state of Islam in the UK.
I would appreciate it , if this topic was addressed
as much on muslim sites as catholic sex abuse is
covered in Christian sites.
Now I am not particularly happy that cormack is the
cardinal but since he has not broken any law and
is indeed now enforcing laws I can easily live with him
being cardinal.

linden branch
20-07-2007, 05:23
What you are talking about and what is actually occurring in this thread are two different things.

Netcurtains3
20-07-2007, 07:49
Yes, correct,
What I have been trying to talk about is a
semisubconscious eastern cultural practice
of not talking about "bad" things about
"themselves". It was first hi-lighted to me
within the IT industry and then you come
to boards like this and, unlike Catholic
boards, you will never seem to get people
who question or discuss publically anything
negative about their religion. It seems that
about 40 years ago Catholics were like that
- indeed perhaps the west was generally.
Something changed about 1965.... A new
enlightenment of 1960s philosophy summed
up by "Catcher In the Rye" by J. D. Salinger
whose hero wanted to spend his life saving children
and free a generation from being phony.


John

tbahrain
20-07-2007, 08:33
Eastern saying: "If you spit at the sky, it falls back onto your face."

Not sure if there is western equivalent.