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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetnU6O4rHg
Guess what happen to him??? Nothing... after all is his wife...
In Saudi you have so much freedom that you even have the freedom to throw your wife from a second floor window.
Jezz... Saudi was supose to be the most Islamic country in the world.
Watch the video and tell if that is Islamic... If not what is Saudi after all...
Orlando, please give some some indication that what you say is true and that nothing was done in an attempt to convict this man? And if this is so, I highly doubt that the reason is because it is legal in Saudi Arabia to push a women out of a third story window. If it is show me. More than likely there are other reasons why the man was never convicted or tried, much like how here in America, and Portugal, many men get away with similar crimes that are illegal.
If you are suggesting that this mans actions reflect negatively on Islam, as a religion, you chose a poor example. Supposed Muslims actions do not represent the religion of Islam as a whole, in the same manner as christian insane murderers or child raping priests do not represent christianity as a whole. There is an obvious difference between the laws of religion and the actions of transgressors, over generalizations based on individuals actions need to be avoided. We've actually had an in depth discussion on this matter here on this site.
Orlando, please give some some indication that what you say is true and that nothing was done in an attempt to convict this man? And if this is so, I highly doubt that the reason is because it is legal in Saudi Arabia to push a women out of a third story window. If it is show me. More than likely there are other reasons why the man was never convicted or tried, much like how here in America, and Portugal, many men get away with similar crimes that are illegal.
If you are suggesting that this mans actions reflect negatively on Islam, as a religion, you chose a poor example. Supposed Muslims actions do not represent the religion of Islam as a whole, in the same manner as christian insane murderers or child raping priests do not represent christianity as a whole. There is an obvious difference between the laws of religion and the actions of transgressors, over generalizations based on individuals actions need to be avoided. We've actually had an in depth discussion on this matter here on this site.
I cant belevi you are defending that man.......:mad:
How could you??? Is there any logic reason to throw someone from a windows in front of everyone.....
Its a shocking fact that in Saudi you can kill your wife if you want... You are like her owner.
Of course is bad for Islam, thats a country with so called Islamic laws and Islamic culture.
Nice culture...........
Dont call that a man... you are insulting me.
sister_Harb
28-07-2008, 23:27
This Saudi man got death sentence after murdering his wife by this way, if you didnīt know it.
:cool:
I have read new about this case by one Saudi newspaper.
This Saudi man got death sentence after murdering his wife by this way, if you didnīt know it.
:cool:
I have read new about this case by one Saudi newspaper.
I really hope thats true... can you prove me?
sister_Harb
28-07-2008, 23:31
Take contact to Saudi Arabia and ask them if you donīt believe my word.
Take contact to Saudi Arabia and ask them if you donīt believe my word.
Why dont you give a me a source???
sister_Harb
28-07-2008, 23:35
I read new from here http://www.arabnews.com/ long time ago and it might not anymore in they archieves.
I cant belevi you are defending that man.......:mad:
How could you??? Is there any logic reason to throw someone from a windows in front of everyone.....
Its a shocking fact that in Saudi you can kill your wife if you want... You are like her owner.
Of course is bad for Islam, thats a country with so called Islamic laws and Islamic culture.
Nice culture...........
Dont call that a man... you are insulting me.
You have completely missed my point if you think I am defending that man, try reading slower.
So admit that you are making up information when you say that he got away with that? Why are you lying with the intention of making a religion look bad?
I couldnt the find the article but must be there (dont delete files) i will e mail them.
Did she really die one hour after the fall in the hospital??? Or she die in the scene???
Roleary, Indeed i missed your point., sorry.
Why are you lying with the intention of making Islam look bad? (making up the fact that the man was never punished for throwing the woman out the window)
Do you think that god looks favorably upon spreading false information intentionally with the goal of causing false understandings? or are you atheist?
They do indeed use the death penalty quite liberally under Shariah law, I would not be surprised if the man did indeed get put to death if convicted. Murdering of wife out of anger is not in accordance with Islamic law, as I understand it, if this was indeed the mans intention he was not acting in accordance with proper Islamic practice.
Why are you lying with the intention of making Islam look bad? (making up the fact that the man was never punished for throwing the woman out the window)
Do you think that god looks favorably upon spreading false information intentionally with the goal of causing false understandings? or are you atheist?
What you are talking about... This is about saudi... not islam:mad:
I didnt made up, i read it...
I am NOT atheist
Where did you read it?
Oops, apologies, I just re-read your post and saw that you said "tell me if that is islamic, if not what is saudi?" Ok, I see that you are questioning saudi arabia's gov/judicial system, not accusing Islam of enabling man to throw his wife out a window.
The point here is that I am guessing if the man was not accused/convicted, it is not because it is legal, but because of some problem or another in the enforcing of the law that prohibits the action. Hence my example of criminals in US and Portugal escaping without punishment.
I jump to conclusions sometimes, I am so used to hearing nonesense about Islam from people that no nothing about the religion.
I jump to conclusions sometimes, I am so used to hearing nonesense about Islam from people that no nothing about the religion.
Me too.
Its a fact that women are seen almost as a second class citizen. Like rapping, they always find an excuse to blame the Victim.
That makes me anger.....
Rape cases are hard to prosecute anywhere, consent is a tricky thing to determine, if women were always given the benefit of the doubt when evidence was lacking then many a disgruntled and resentfull woman could send innocent men to jail, and vice versa I suppose, its better that the accused is presumed innocent.
tbahrain
29-07-2008, 04:17
Though rape and adultery are considered major sins in Islam, more severe is fitna i.e wrong or malicious accusation. Hence Islam stipulates the need for indisputable evidence such as four pious witnesses. Rape and zina (adultery) differ in intention, the former forced and the latter being consensual. But where do we find the guilty parties admitting their transgressions and the availability of pious witnesses in this current age and time compared to the time of early Muslims? Then, we had a man confessing committing zina to the Prophet SAW even knowing of the harsh punishment that would be meted out to him, to the extent of he repeating his admission thrice.
Returning to the issue at hand, if it was the intention of the poster to highlight the brutal act of a Saudi Muslim man without first ascertaining the outcome then it is wrong, but if the intention was to seek further information of the outcome of the case from members here who might have knowledge of the case, then it is considered proper.
tbahrain
Netcurtains3
29-07-2008, 06:00
I suppose the they had multiply witnesses when the
Malaysian politican was locked up for 6 years
for sexual wrong doing with a man?
Anyway, as far as I know "death sentence" in some
muslim states does not mean that. Sometimes you
just have to give people a wad of money and that
makes it all ok. Perhaps that is what happened?
sister_Harb
29-07-2008, 10:23
How some islamic country might me rapers paradise as it is major sin in islam? I think most western countries are that in cause of they sickfull laws and public opinions.
Islam teachs us make good not bad to others.
tbahrain
29-07-2008, 10:55
I suppose the they had multiply witnesses when the Malaysian politican was locked up for 6 yearsfor sexual wrong doing with a man?
Unfortunately John, we follow the British criminal laws and not the shari'ah.
Anyway, as far as I know "death sentence" in some muslim states does not mean that. Sometimes you just have to give people a wad of money and thatmakes it all ok. Perhaps that is what happened?
Secularists have a funny way at looking at Islamic laws. When the punishment is beheading and stoning you call it barbaric and when given an option of redeeming your wrong deed with money to victims family, you call it buying over.
tbahrain
Its a rapers paradise.
Where's the raper's paradise?
Netcurtains3
29-07-2008, 14:01
tbahrain,
The criminals assets are routinely taken away in the UK,
so he should not be able to use that to bargain with.
Its madness to let rich people off crimes - loony tunes.
You can't kill X person and pay Y person compensation. ROFL.
you can only make restitution to X person and the state.
Since we do not know for 100% certain what X person wants (they are dead),
we have to assume they want the killer locked up for good,
no matter what Y thinks X would have wanted. Y (if relative) should
get the money anyway - and the killer should still go to prison for life
sister_Harb
29-07-2008, 14:21
My country might be rapers paradise as well; here court thinks was it real rape if victim was
a) drunked
b) having mini-skirt
or had raper used violence by some weapon...
:eek:
Sentences about rapes are usually 1 - 2 years. Stolen a car you might get same.
Very equal?
But of course Finland is not islamic country. Here in the west using woman or car without permit seems to be same for men?
Netcurtains3
29-07-2008, 15:17
The average prison sentence for violent sex crime is 7.5 years in Uk
and ZERO time for stealing a car.
I would be surprised if Finland was any different.
Where the problems seem to be, is that you get ZERO time
for forced marriages. I really do not understand this.
Also courts often fail to convict because of lack of evidence
sister_Harb
29-07-2008, 15:49
I just told in my post that sentences are usually same. So... :rolleyes: but here courts donīt use sharia but this western law of Finland.
Netcurtains3
29-07-2008, 16:02
You said:
"that sentences are usually same"
Actually this is incorrect.
finland has Community Service Orders (CSOs) as
the UK for most "bog standard" car theft/joy-riding .
Whereas rape has mandatory jail term.
sister_Harb
29-07-2008, 16:47
Actually I think I know better situation in my poor country by this law matter what has nothing to do in islamic laws. Some my friends from islamic countries have been before living in the UK and they have been chocked about those manners there.
But that is end by my side in this matter. This hasnīt nothing to do with original headline as you see...
:o
The average prison sentence for violent sex crime is 7.5 years in Uk
and ZERO time for stealing a car.
I would be surprised if Finland was any different.
Where the problems seem to be, is that you get ZERO time
for forced marriages. I really do not understand this.
Also courts often fail to convict because of lack of evidence
Taking the number of Muslims there are in Europe, and I'd say here in Portugal, the number of these forced marriage cases are small percentage compared to all other crimes we hear about like incest etc.
In Portugal there are 40.000 Muslims and I am quite a known Muslim here and I have never heard of one case of forced marriage.
It is big haha this thing about forced marriages as girls like boys are no mentally retarded to accept being taken into a ploy called forced marriage. By the way in Islam, no girl can marry without giving her consent.
Ma'a-salaama,
Netcurtains3
29-07-2008, 17:51
400 A YEAR are reported in the UK alone.
Experts say this is just the tip of a big ice berg.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/fco-in-action/nationals/forced-marriage-unit/
tbahrain
30-07-2008, 01:00
Its madness to let rich people off crimes - loony tunes.
Yes, as I expected, the UK/Saudi BAE graft probe was suspended due to temporary insanity. Glass houses and stones do not mix well.
Since this might be off topic, I'm stopping here.
tbahrain
400 A YEAR are reported in the UK alone.
Experts say this is just the tip of a big ice berg.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/fco-in-action/nationals/forced-marriage-unit/
In an universe of 1.600.000 it'll make 0,00025%. Nowhere in the site you can read that only Muslims forcefully marry their daughters. There are as you know many more Hindus in UK. They are whole lot similar in culture and language to Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. They belonged to same country until 60 years ago.
Om_Mohammed
30-07-2008, 16:31
Assalaamu alaikum.
Only now noticing this thread...kinda late.
However, thought to give my input, seeing as how I live in Saudi Arabia (have lived here for something like 30 years now)...and perhaps could shed some insight onto the way such cases are most generally handled.
First of all, it is far from acceptable...either in the social arena or the political or the religious...here in Saudi...for such an act of violence to go un-noticed and un-punished.
I will not deny nor try to deny that such acts of violence happen. They happen...sadly...everywhere and anywhere in the world. However, regardless that they happen...still the government here and the society as well...do not approve of it, and so when such cases (and others) come to be known, they are handled with accordingly fitting punishment for the perpetrator.
To try to accuse Saudi Arabia of neglecting such acts and sending them off with no recognition of their wrongness is nothing less than liable. And even worse to associate such alleged neglect with Islamic practices and beliefs. Neither the Saudi ruling government nor the governing religion upholds such acts.
As for this particular case, I am surprised that I have not before heard of this, but I can assure you that if this man was caught and it was determined that he did indeed push or throw the woman out of the balcony, causing injury or death, then he will (or has) be dealt with according to the full extent of the shariah law, regardless of any 'position' he may have in the social levels.
Just remember that muslims themselves are people, just like christians, jews, atheists, and everyone else in the world. Even tho the religion of Islam negates such acts as crimes, muslims, according to their human traits, are still prone to making mistakes and committing sins. Hence, you will find crime in muslim societies as you will find it also in non-muslim societies. So, when a crime happens in muslim societies, committed by muslims, even happening in non-muslim societies...why is it that everyone gets in such a rage against Islam and muslims in general?
My goodness...just last week...there was a shooting in a church in Tennessee. The killer shot one person at blank point range. And you don't hear any of us here or elsewhere ranting and raving about Americans or white ppl or christians or atheists, making claim against their society as a whole because of this one person!! SubhanAllah.
So...this man...who happens to be a muslim...perhaps even a saudi...did a crime. A crime against humanity...a crime against the society...a crime against his wife...a crime against her family...more importantly ... a crime against Allah and His Laws. But he is a man...a human...who is prone to mistake and sinning.
I am sure, as I am quite accustomed to Saudi Law and procedures...that he got exactly what he deserves...preferably the death sentence...or at the very least...life in prison with no chance of parole.
Om Mohammed.
khalid2277
08-08-2008, 20:43
do you think this man is worse than these in the US/europe:
www.kmbc.com/news/15701029/detail.html
www.talkleft.com/story/2004/07/09/730/68274
articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/10/local/me-bodies10
what about:
Statistics showing the rates of crime against women and related data
America:
95,770 cases of rape in 1996 as per official figures.
Classification of Abortion cases according to age of the mother:
Age
group
(years) Percentage
15-17 8.8
18-19 11.5
20-24 32.8
25-29 21.4
30-34 7.5
> 40 2.3
Classification of abortion cases according to marital status:
Married 18.4%
Unmarried 64.4%
Separated 7.2%
Divorced 9.4%
Widowed 0.9%
England:
According to official figures, there are an average of 6,000 rapes &18,000 incidents of sexual assault against women in England/year.
True figure is about 300,000 as per unofficial sources.
India:
In New Delhi – 423 rapes in 1996.
In Uttar Pradesh - 1650 rape cases.
Netcurtains3
10-08-2008, 08:27
khalid2277,
Your sex crime statistics.
Some points you need to bare in mind.
1) Human beings are the same the world over so the percentage of bad people in a given area is roughly the same the world over.
2) In the 1950s, when the UK, USA, Spain, etc still had a dating culture the incidence of rape was almost unknown. Taking into account point (1) we know it was not because people were less bad then but rather the looked at the what happened in terms of "honour" and "shame". If you looked at Hollywood movies from that era girls would go home in tears and shame if they were attacked. Nowadays we see rape in terms of "crime" and "punishment" - thus the reporting of the crime is far far far higher now - even though the crime is probably no more prevailent.
3) In the context of non-dating cultures we also know they percentage of these bad man will still be the same. So what you have to compare is a woman who gets attacked on a date or a woman who has an arranged marriage to a evil sex pervert/violent man. In the case of Western rape the woman goes and tells the police in the non-date culture the woman might have to suffer for the rest of her natural life in a violent hell of a "marriage"......due to "shame" and "honour"
4) Abortion statistics are mainly due to their legal availability. There is much evidence that Indian families
(of all religions) are aborting girls in the UK and else where. Its my belief that abortion should be stopped and adoption encouraged - there are numerous couples who want to adopt babies.
Om_Mohammed
10-08-2008, 08:46
Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
Greetings and good day to all.
John...as you have pointed out to Dr. Khalid some social factors that need to be remembered when considering varrying statistics, I suggest that you also keep in mind some other social factors when alleging your own explanation of things.
Religion does play an important role in the variation of statistics, and I will explain to you my reasoning on this.
Although any sort of out-of-wedlock intimate relationship between men and women (whether it be rape or two agreeing parties) is truly forbidden in Christianity, the people themselves have become lax in adhering to this rule, hence the downfall of the society in general as concerns such relationships. People have taken the frame of mind that what two people do in private is their business, missing the much larger point that such a downfall causes a rippling effect to cause the downfall of the society.
Whereas in Islam, any kind of adultrous relationship is strictly prohibited, and coming along with it grave punishment, it is much less than in other societies, although sadly on the rise. Humans being humans, they are prone to mistake and sin, and so fall into such grave sins. But for the upright muslim who is strong in faith, you will rarely find them going down this route. The sad thing is that there is a growing community of the muslims who are so weak in faith that they are beginning to adopt the western and Christian attitude that this is a personal thing, whereas it is something that truly affects the society as a whole.
I am sure that you will find in a muslim community where there is a greater percentage of people with stronger faith, you will find less crime in general, and in particular less adultry in all manners (including rape).
Om Mohammed.
Netcurtains3
10-08-2008, 09:13
Om_Mohammed
you said:
"hence the downfall of the society in general as concerns such relationships. "
You can only talk about "downfall" if something has changed. Actually modern western sexual morals go back to at least the 1380s - If you read the "Canterbury Tales" you will note that it probably was not that uncommon for people to have sexual relations outside of marriage and have little regard for religious teaching.
(it was written during a time of religious upheavel - The Lollards)
Om_Mohammed
13-08-2008, 08:31
Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.
Greetings and good day.
Well, John, I think that even you will eventually agree with me that through the ages, society itself has had it's own ups and downs as concerns moral upkeeping. There has been a sense of moral/religious awakening through the ages, as well as another downfall of degradation of ignoring such moral/religious awareness.
In my own life, I can remember personally when in the late 60's thru the early to mid 70's, even though it was not necessarily uncommon or unheard of to hear of cases of pregnancy out of wedlock, still it was not common place for women to go thru such experiences without getting married. Whereas in the 80's and 90's, it not only became more common place for women to go on with their pregnancy if they got pregnant without being married, and then keep the baby as well, but it even became fashionable for many women to even seek out such a pregnancy and NOT get married...keeping the child to raise on her own.
Over the course of four decades of my own lifetime, we have been witness to great changes in our own society.
I refer to it as 'downfall' because of this growing trend of disregard for upright morals concerning this as well as many other conditions which involve the male-female relationship.
It used to be that even though it was not unheard of for a man and woman to have an intimate relationship, still it was rather taboo for them to have such a marital-type relationship in public without the legal marriage to back them up. whereas nowadays, it is common place for a man and woman to live together as man and wife without the legal backing of the marriage, and they will even go about and publicly admit/advertise their non-marital status.
These kind of instances are what leads me to claim this downfall. Would you call it going up? Or improving?
I am sorry, but I cannot call it that.
All of the divinely revealed religions-i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam-are based on the same moral sounding, and one of those rulings is the illegality of a man and woman hacking up together without legal marital ties.
I still stick with my preference of calling this trend in society as 'downfall'.
Om Mohammed.
It is estimated that 9 in 10 of Saudi women had already be beaten by their husbands.
So yes saudi is the worst of the world
Oh yes? Where did you get these statistics? Show the source please.
Here's some information on violence against women in UK:
"Domestic violence still claims up to two lives every week. Around one in four women and one in six men will be a victim of domestic violence and nine out of ten of those victims suffering four or more attacks are women."
More on the narrative:
http://www.equalities.gov.uk/publications/7589-TSO-Tackling%20Violence%20WEB.pdf
Oh yes? Where did you get these statistics? Show the source please.
Here's some information on violence against women in UK:
"Domestic violence still claims up to two lives every week. Around one in four women and one in six men will be a victim of domestic violence and nine out of ten of those victims suffering four or more attacks are women."
More on the narrative:
http://www.equalities.gov.uk/publications/7589-TSO-Tackling%20Violence%20WEB.pdf
The source is an universaty of Saudi Arabia, i read it somehere.
It must be in the internet too, i'll search for you.
Well UK have a lot of pakistanian and kurdish people.
I cant find it on the web, the study was based in a inquerit to young people about their parants.
Look at found in this artcli from arabnews.com
It starts like this: A father brutally beats his 17-year-old daughter with a piece of wood. She is taken to a hospital where she subsequently dies. The reason? She got in touch with her mother who was divorced from the girls father. Thus ended the story carried in Al-Watan newspaper. The tragedy, however, opens the door onto something bigger and much worse the trend to violence in Saudi society. And not just violence but violence against close family members.
end like this:
Dr. Nawaf Al-Herthy, who is chairman of the committees Jeddah branch and director of the Jeddah Psychiatric Hospital.[...]said the organization is in contact with the head of the government department of each city where the organization has a presence to provide help in even the most complicated cases.
Presently, there are no statistics about the number of cases of family abuse, because of an absence of proper documentation and because most victims, such as wives and daughters, are too afraid to report abuse. But now they have a place to go for help, he said.
He added that women and girls who are abused by relatives keep it secret and do not ask for help openly. He said that in such cases, doctors are trained to identify cases of abuse and read body language.
By the way Rania al-Baz said: What happened to me happens to women all over the world. But you can take what happens to women all over the world, and in Saudi Arabia, multiply it by 10
tbahrain
10-09-2008, 02:55
So we taken it then the words of this Rania al-Baz 10x over become official saudi stats?
You must have realized that we're not a bunch of morons here.
tbahrain
Rania Al-Baz was victim of abuse by her husband I believe and was highly publicized. Most certainly she's exaggerating about 9 out 10 women being abused. There are decent men in Saudi Arabia just like in many countries of the World. If 9 out 10 women were abused there would be an outcry from their families. But anyhow the Saudi government is dealing with domestic violence.
In Portugal from where Orlando comes form, there have been 4140 cases, only this year, of women being abused and 31 women have been murdered by their husbands. I think Orlando really enjoys targeting Saudi Arabia as something evil. He is been inspiring himself too much from Zionist and right-wing American blogs and websites that target specially Saudi Arabia and Iran. Coincidentally these two countries sit on large oil reserves, so there may be no innocence in these regular spiting of these two countries.
Ma'a-salaama
sister_Harb
10-09-2008, 10:21
s3
Personally I donīt see that it shows any good or even islamic manners to hate some group of people or some people just only because they are members just some nation. Saying for example that every Saudis are evil in cause of some of them whose have bad manners is calling generalization and that usually leeds only to great mistakes between people.
Thats why I hate them.
We should not generalize sister. There are bad mannered people everywhere but there also nice people too. Just because 4000 or so of women in Portugal have been abused, it does not mean catholicism has anything to do with it, or the race of Portuguese. Portuguese are nice people and well-mannered. The other day a person had an accident with my car here in Portugal and started insulting us. His wife or companion made him shut up. There are nice people everywhere and some evil too. We ought not generalize.
So we taken it then the words of this Rania al-Baz 10x over become official saudi stats?
You must have realized that we're not a bunch of morons here.
tbahrain
I dont give a damn what you think, everyone knows how saudi is, you even have on TV people teaching how to beat their wifes.
Careful with your language Orlando. We request you to respect to be respected. If you continue like that without discussing with fairness we'll ban you from here.
Keep your hatred of Saudi Arabia or any other country to other places on the Web. We don't tolerate here incorrect expressions "I don't care damn what you think". You could have written your opinions without using damn. This is not a street place.
Careful with your language Orlando. We request you to respect to be respected. If you continue like that without discussing with fairness we'll ban you from here.
Keep your hatred of Saudi Arabia or any other country to other places on the Web. We don't tolerate here incorrect expressions "I don't care damn what you think". You could have written your opinions without using damn. This is not a street place.
Is "Damn" a sword???
It is bad language. You must be careful in using adjectives.
It is bad language. You must be careful in using adjectives.
Ok sorry for my english...
Damn is OK:rolleyes::p
and I HHHHHATE them,i don't care,and i don't want to meet non of them they make me sick,vomit,depressed and worried....dear Orlando i get you and i know exactly how you feel.
D
The Prophet (saws.gif) said women are “shakaat” of men. Shakaat has two meanings, sisters or halves. Therefore women are sisters of men or women are halves of men, that is society is made of two halves, one half women and the other half men.
“I recommend you to be kind to your women”
However my dear to be honest, killing and beating wife/girlfronds does happen everywhere,bit i know in dat count it happens often and scarier when its meant to be the count of"unity"and all this crap...
I would like you to read tghses topics,
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=13§ion=0&article=68889&d=23&m=8&y=2005
and watch this plz:
http://www.youtubeislam.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8505031869d44673728e
Where did you read it?
Oops, apologies, I just re-read your post and saw that you said "tell me if that is islamic, if not what is saudi?" Ok, I see that you are questioning saudi arabia's gov/judicial system, not accusing Islam of enabling man to throw his wife out a window.
The point here is that I am guessing if the man was not accused/convicted, it is not because it is legal, but because of some problem or another in the enforcing of the law that prohibits the action. Hence my example of criminals in US and Portugal escaping without punishment.
Dear Rob,
The fact is that this kind of videos are used as innuendo. It could be any parto fo the World. An iraqi kurdish girl of a non islamic religion, was murdered sometimes ago by throwing stones at her becasue she loved a man who was not of ther religion. Much later this murder was somehow divulged that a Muslim girl was being killed by her family by stoning.
So I am very skeptical of videos and other means to attack a religion be it Islam or another. Also demonising a peole is wrong. Saudi Arabia like any other country has her flaws but the law doesn't permit a man to throw his wife from balcony.
I'll lock this thread as it has exhasuted itselg. Let us move to other discussions.
Ma'a-salaama,
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